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Re: [users@httpd] MaxRequestsPerChild for worker mpm
Hi Rainer,
this was an amazingly terse and most of all: Excellent description.
Can I use it in the Performance documentation and/or the mpm docs?
So long,
i
----- "Rainer Jung" <ra...@kippdata.de> wrote:
> On 26.11.2010 19:20, Jonas Eckerman wrote:
> > On 2010-11-25 15:28, Igor Galić wrote:
> >
> >> Worker MPM will *never* spawn more than StartServers children.
> >
> > According to the docs at
> >
> <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mpm_common.html#startservers>
> > it will.
> >
> > Quote:
> > ---8<---
> > The StartServers directive sets the number of child server
> processes
> > created on startup. As the number of processes is dynamically
> controlled
> > depending on the load, there is usually little reason to adjust
> this
> > parameter.
> >
> > The default value differs from MPM to MPM. For worker the default
> is
> > StartServers 3. For prefork defaults to 5 and for mpmt_os2 to 2.
> > ---8<---
> >
> > The *ServerLimit* directive oth puts a hard limit on the numkber of
> > children Apache can start.
> >
> > Quote:
> > ---8<---
> > For the worker MPM, this directive [ServerLimit] in combination
> with
> > ThreadLimit sets the maximum configured value for MaxClients for
> the
> > lifetime of the Apache process. Any attempts to change this
> directive
> > during a restart will be ignored, but MaxClients can be modified
> during
> > a restart.
> > ---8<---
> >
> > More info at:
> >
> <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit>
>
> StartServers and the spare directives configure the dynamics. As their
>
> name indicates, how many processes are started, how many threads
> should
> be idle minimum befoe sarting new processes and how many threads you
> allow to idle before stopping processes.
>
> The maximum number of connections that can be handled in parallel is
> given by MaxClients. It is the most important parameter for sizing.
> Then
> ThreadsPerChild defines how powerful each process will be, or in other
>
> words, over how many processes the MaxClient threads will be
> distributed. If you increase it, you will need less processes and if
> modules use e.g. caches per process those will be more efficient. On
> the
> other hand locking activity may increase and if you are using unstable
>
> modules (crashes or leaks) more connections will break if one process
>
> e.g. crashes.
>
> The ServerLimit and ThreadLimit params only have to do with the
> ability
> of dynamic reconfiguration the above using only graceful restarts, not
>
> full restarts. During graceful restart the main Apache process is not
>
> recycled. It needs to maintain a memory table with columns and rows fr
>
> processes and threads inside processes. The size of the table needs to
>
> be big enough for any ThreadsPerChild and (MaxClients /
> ThreadsPerChild)
> you want to use.
>
> So if no dynamic reconfiguration for those values is expected, you can
>
> set ThreadLimit to ThreadsPerChild and ServerLimit to MaxClients /
> ThreadsPerChild. If you plan to adjust ThreadsPerChild or MaxClients
> to
> higher values later (using a graceful restart), you need to plan ahead
>
> and set ThreadLimit and ServerLimit to the max values you expect to
> need
> according to these formulas.
>
> HTH.
>
> Rainer
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] MaxRequestsPerChild for worker mpm
Posted by Rainer Jung <ra...@kippdata.de>.
On 04.12.2010 01:30, Igor Galić wrote:
>
> Hi Rainer,
>
> this was an amazingly terse and most of all: Excellent description.
> Can I use it in the Performance documentation and/or the mpm docs?
Of course!
Go for it and sorry about not having improved the docs myself already.
Regards,
Rainer
> ----- "Rainer Jung"<ra...@kippdata.de> wrote:
>
>> On 26.11.2010 19:20, Jonas Eckerman wrote:
>>> On 2010-11-25 15:28, Igor Galić wrote:
>>>
>>>> Worker MPM will *never* spawn more than StartServers children.
>>>
>>> According to the docs at
>>>
>> <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mpm_common.html#startservers>
>>> it will.
>>>
>>> Quote:
>>> ---8<---
>>> The StartServers directive sets the number of child server
>> processes
>>> created on startup. As the number of processes is dynamically
>> controlled
>>> depending on the load, there is usually little reason to adjust
>> this
>>> parameter.
>>>
>>> The default value differs from MPM to MPM. For worker the default
>> is
>>> StartServers 3. For prefork defaults to 5 and for mpmt_os2 to 2.
>>> ---8<---
>>>
>>> The *ServerLimit* directive oth puts a hard limit on the numkber of
>>> children Apache can start.
>>>
>>> Quote:
>>> ---8<---
>>> For the worker MPM, this directive [ServerLimit] in combination
>> with
>>> ThreadLimit sets the maximum configured value for MaxClients for
>> the
>>> lifetime of the Apache process. Any attempts to change this
>> directive
>>> during a restart will be ignored, but MaxClients can be modified
>> during
>>> a restart.
>>> ---8<---
>>>
>>> More info at:
>>>
>> <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mpm_common.html#serverlimit>
>>
>> StartServers and the spare directives configure the dynamics. As their
>>
>> name indicates, how many processes are started, how many threads
>> should
>> be idle minimum befoe sarting new processes and how many threads you
>> allow to idle before stopping processes.
>>
>> The maximum number of connections that can be handled in parallel is
>> given by MaxClients. It is the most important parameter for sizing.
>> Then
>> ThreadsPerChild defines how powerful each process will be, or in other
>>
>> words, over how many processes the MaxClient threads will be
>> distributed. If you increase it, you will need less processes and if
>> modules use e.g. caches per process those will be more efficient. On
>> the
>> other hand locking activity may increase and if you are using unstable
>>
>> modules (crashes or leaks) more connections will break if one process
>>
>> e.g. crashes.
>>
>> The ServerLimit and ThreadLimit params only have to do with the
>> ability
>> of dynamic reconfiguration the above using only graceful restarts, not
>>
>> full restarts. During graceful restart the main Apache process is not
>>
>> recycled. It needs to maintain a memory table with columns and rows fr
>>
>> processes and threads inside processes. The size of the table needs to
>>
>> be big enough for any ThreadsPerChild and (MaxClients /
>> ThreadsPerChild)
>> you want to use.
>>
>> So if no dynamic reconfiguration for those values is expected, you can
>>
>> set ThreadLimit to ThreadsPerChild and ServerLimit to MaxClients /
>> ThreadsPerChild. If you plan to adjust ThreadsPerChild or MaxClients
>> to
>> higher values later (using a graceful restart), you need to plan ahead
>>
>> and set ThreadLimit and ServerLimit to the max values you expect to
>> need
>> according to these formulas.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>> Rainer
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