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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Gavin McDonald <gm...@apache.org> on 2021/11/28 10:53:36 UTC
Combine VMs
Hello AOO folks
Infra has taken a look at the usage of your 3 VMS and believe that
they could all be combined into a single VM.
Technically, we can see no reason why this could not be done, and
it may even simplify things, the sysadmin folks all needing only one
VM to access for all services.
So, we would like to combine Forums, Wiki and Translate onto the
same machine that has enough capacity for all.
Please discuss, and let us know your thoughts, so that we may then
alter the migration plan of the current VMs onto one.
TY
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*Gavin McDonald*
Systems Administrator
ASF Infrastructure Team
Re: Combine VMs
Posted by Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org>.
Hi Gavin,
On 11/28/21 5:53 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote:
> Hello AOO folks
>
> Infra has taken a look at the usage of your 3 VMS and believe that
> they could all be combined into a single VM.
>
> Technically, we can see no reason why this could not be done, and
> it may even simplify things, the sysadmin folks all needing only one
> VM to access for all services.
>
> So, we would like to combine Forums, Wiki and Translate onto the
> same machine that has enough capacity for all.
>
> Please discuss, and let us know your thoughts, so that we may then
> alter the migration plan of the current VMs onto one.
>
> TY
>
We have a ticket [1] opened by Dave about migrating the MWiki and
possibly the database which I think may be for the mwiki and Forums but
I'm not sure about that part.
At the time we we're trying to fix the MWiki issues with some extension
problems that are now resolved.
So far no one has volunteered on our end to migrate the MWiki from wiki3
to the new wiki4 vm.
Is that something infra can do or do you need a project volunteer for
that part or which parts if combining all to one?
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-20339
Best regards,
Carl
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Re: Combine VMs
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
Hi Gavin,
On 28.11.21 11:53, Gavin McDonald wrote:
> Hello AOO folks
>
> Infra has taken a look at the usage of your 3 VMS and believe that
> they could all be combined into a single VM.
>
> Technically, we can see no reason why this could not be done, and
> it may even simplify things, the sysadmin folks all needing only one
> VM to access for all services.
>
> So, we would like to combine Forums, Wiki and Translate onto the
> same machine that has enough capacity for all.
>
> Please discuss, and let us know your thoughts, so that we may then
> alter the migration plan of the current VMs onto one.
This has been discussed in the past. And the view was, that the
different services should be separated. (Not sure for what to search
for. If I find the thread, I update)
However we have here and there had the Idea that a container (podman,
docker, etc. ) approach might be a better. However these thought never
matured into a plan.
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Re: Combine VMs
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
On 28.11.21 20:36, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi Gavin,
>
> Thanks for bringing this up.
>
> This is an interesting proposal which I would like to discuss as a fresh request. I’ll include some notes about ASF Infra works so that the community can understand the constraints.
>
> I have some questions and concerns about this proposal.
>
> (1) As part of this update Infra requested that we change from using Infra’s MySQL server to moving this onto the VMs. Under this plan is this still the case? If so, does your load analysis take this into account?
>
> (2) Each of the three sites uses different configurations to display content from within the HTTPD server.
> - phpBB - https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/ug/
> - mediaWiki - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PHP_configuration
> - pootle - http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.8.x/server/installation.html
>
> (a) For phpBB and mediaWiki we need to assure that the php and mysql configurations are compatible.
> (b) For pootle we’ll need to assure that it’s python based approach and database choices are also compatible,
>
> (3) translate.apache.org - the pootle service gets its httpd service locked up frequently and then it is currently crontab’s to restart. I’m not sure that is a “solution" that is compatible with shared services. We’ll also need to understand more clearly from the L10N team their special requirements.
>
> (4) I am pretty close to ready to do the forum migration. The one last bit was understanding how to get full administrative control over the forums. I found the way a couple of weeks ago.
>
> (5) In addition to migrations each of the software packages needs to be upgraded.
>
> (6) If we go down this path I would recommend that we combine Forum and Wiki first and once that is done we consider pootle.
>
> (7) Since Infra uses puppet to configure VMs is there an easy way to use puppet to configure an equivalent docker image? (Thanks Peter). Doing this would allow more community members to participate in maintaining these critical resources.
I have found a blog post on puppet.com [1] that describes how puppet
can help to build an image.
There is also the way that podman has a puppet module to build the image
from [2]
Also we could use maybe use puppet for the provisioning / managing a
podman infrastructure, example at [3]
I am not sure which way to go. I only had checked Kubernetes with my
company (which is currently the hype at work), and they said it is not
feasable if we only look at AOO Project. If other projects would want to
move also their services into an container infrastructure it might worth
it a second thought.
>
> For me. I can work with Infra on moving forum and media wiki to the same VM. I have a new job which will limit my volunteer time for this to Sunday and perhaps one evening. Having more community sysadmins would be great.
I would like to help. Not sure when I have time. :(
If we could maybe have one of our three VMs extendet with Docker or
podman capabilities, we could use that as a testing ground and see if we
can move things there.
[1] https://puppet.com/blog/building-docker-images-puppet/
[2] https://github.com/silug/puppet-podman
[3] https://forge.puppet.com/modules/southalc/podman
>
> All The Best,
> Dave
>
>> On Nov 28, 2021, at 2:53 AM, Gavin McDonald <gm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello AOO folks
>>
>> Infra has taken a look at the usage of your 3 VMS and believe that
>> they could all be combined into a single VM.
>>
>> Technically, we can see no reason why this could not be done, and
>> it may even simplify things, the sysadmin folks all needing only one
>> VM to access for all services.
>>
>> So, we would like to combine Forums, Wiki and Translate onto the
>> same machine that has enough capacity for all.
>>
>> Please discuss, and let us know your thoughts, so that we may then
>> alter the migration plan of the current VMs onto one.
>>
>> TY
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Gavin McDonald*
>> Systems Administrator
>> ASF Infrastructure Team
>
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Re: Combine VMs
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi Gavin,
Thanks for bringing this up.
This is an interesting proposal which I would like to discuss as a fresh request. I’ll include some notes about ASF Infra works so that the community can understand the constraints.
I have some questions and concerns about this proposal.
(1) As part of this update Infra requested that we change from using Infra’s MySQL server to moving this onto the VMs. Under this plan is this still the case? If so, does your load analysis take this into account?
(2) Each of the three sites uses different configurations to display content from within the HTTPD server.
- phpBB - https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/ug/
- mediaWiki - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PHP_configuration
- pootle - http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.8.x/server/installation.html
(a) For phpBB and mediaWiki we need to assure that the php and mysql configurations are compatible.
(b) For pootle we’ll need to assure that it’s python based approach and database choices are also compatible,
(3) translate.apache.org - the pootle service gets its httpd service locked up frequently and then it is currently crontab’s to restart. I’m not sure that is a “solution" that is compatible with shared services. We’ll also need to understand more clearly from the L10N team their special requirements.
(4) I am pretty close to ready to do the forum migration. The one last bit was understanding how to get full administrative control over the forums. I found the way a couple of weeks ago.
(5) In addition to migrations each of the software packages needs to be upgraded.
(6) If we go down this path I would recommend that we combine Forum and Wiki first and once that is done we consider pootle.
(7) Since Infra uses puppet to configure VMs is there an easy way to use puppet to configure an equivalent docker image? (Thanks Peter). Doing this would allow more community members to participate in maintaining these critical resources.
For me. I can work with Infra on moving forum and media wiki to the same VM. I have a new job which will limit my volunteer time for this to Sunday and perhaps one evening. Having more community sysadmins would be great.
All The Best,
Dave
> On Nov 28, 2021, at 2:53 AM, Gavin McDonald <gm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hello AOO folks
>
> Infra has taken a look at the usage of your 3 VMS and believe that
> they could all be combined into a single VM.
>
> Technically, we can see no reason why this could not be done, and
> it may even simplify things, the sysadmin folks all needing only one
> VM to access for all services.
>
> So, we would like to combine Forums, Wiki and Translate onto the
> same machine that has enough capacity for all.
>
> Please discuss, and let us know your thoughts, so that we may then
> alter the migration plan of the current VMs onto one.
>
> TY
>
> --
>
> *Gavin McDonald*
> Systems Administrator
> ASF Infrastructure Team
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