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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Hello All,
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:49:53PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Am 22.04.23 um 09:22 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I came across
> >
> > https://dev.to/opensauced/whos-looking-for-open-source-contributors-week-38-16e9
> >
> >
> > And it got me thinking. I would like to advertise for help. But so far
> > our on boarding quota is really bad, since we relay on the volunteers
> > long term motivation.
+1, because it takes a very long time to be able to actually work on
AOO, IMHO.
> > so i would like to call for help on specific tasks. These tasks are
> > promoted in a contribute.md file. I would like to break down tasks in
> > small steps so volunteer engagement is quickly achieved.
> >
> > And i would like to build feature roadmaps. So we can promote them,
> > and become more structured. Of course this approach is to be seen as
> > an addition on how we engage today.
>
> Yes, something like a roadmap would be great!
>
> After all, we are here to maintain and develop OpenOffice...
Isn't the "Help Wanted" page already a good list?
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
It is not in the form of a roadmap, but it already contains a lot of
content, well structured.
> > What do you think?
A "Contributing" paragraph in README.md with a link to the above page
could already be a step forward.
Then, we could focus on making that page better, more up to date, in
tabular form etc.
...and just because we are discussing README.md I would appreciate if
someone added it to the AOO41X and AOO42X branches! They are worth at
least a minimal description...
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
I found out today I forgot a topic. In order to move forward i created a
"whishlist" of things on my mind.
currently no prioritization included. And if you feel a topic is missing
add it. so we get a better picture. Also some points are generic, to be
refined or improved.
so feel free to ask or enhance the list.
Am 29.05.23 um 10:35 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> memo to myself: update internal python to version 3.x
>
> Am 29.05.23 um 09:48 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>
>> Am 28.05.23 um 21:03 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>> Hello Matthias, All,
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 01:34:56PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> - We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
>>>> - We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
>>>> warnings with newer compilers.
>>>> - We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be
>>>> translated.
>>>> - We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
>>>> - ...
>>>>
>>>> I really don't know where to stop here!
>>>>
>>>> Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks... A
>>>> "cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.
>>>>
>>>> What do others think?
>> I like the Idea to utilize GitHub for this.
>>> IMHO, the highest hurdle for new contributors, today, is our build
>>> system, especially under Windows.
>>
>> true!
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
memo to myself: update internal python to version 3.x
Am 29.05.23 um 09:48 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>
> Am 28.05.23 um 21:03 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>> Hello Matthias, All,
>>
>> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 01:34:56PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)
>>>
>>> - We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
>>> - We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
>>> warnings with newer compilers.
>>> - We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be
>>> translated.
>>> - We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
>>> - ...
>>>
>>> I really don't know where to stop here!
>>>
>>> Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks... A
>>> "cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.
>>>
>>> What do others think?
> I like the Idea to utilize GitHub for this.
>> IMHO, the highest hurdle for new contributors, today, is our build
>> system, especially under Windows.
>
> true!
>
> All the best
>
>
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
Am 28.05.23 um 21:03 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> Hello Matthias, All,
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 01:34:56PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)
>>
>> - We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
>> - We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
>> warnings with newer compilers.
>> - We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be translated.
>> - We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
>> - ...
>>
>> I really don't know where to stop here!
>>
>> Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks... A
>> "cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.
>>
>> What do others think?
I like the Idea to utilize GitHub for this.
> IMHO, the highest hurdle for new contributors, today, is our build
> system, especially under Windows.
true!
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 28.05.23 um 21:03 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 01:34:56PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>
>> Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)
>>
>> - We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
>> - We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
>> warnings with newer compilers.
>> - We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be translated.
>> - We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
>> - ...
>>
>> I really don't know where to stop here!
>>
>> Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks... A
>> "cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.
>>
>> What do others think?
>
> IMHO, the highest hurdle for new contributors, today, is our build
> system, especially under Windows.
I'm not a core developer but I tend to +1 here.
Marcus
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Marcus wrote:
> Am 28.05.23 um 21:03 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>> On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 01:34:56PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>
>>> Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)
>>>
>>> - We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
>>> - We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
>>> warnings with newer compilers.
>>> - We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be
>>> translated.
>>> - We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
>>> - ...
>>>
>>> I really don't know where to stop here!
>>>
>>> Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks... A
>>> "cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.
>>>
>>> What do others think?
>>
>> IMHO, the highest hurdle for new contributors, today, is our build
>> system, especially under Windows.
>
> I'm not a core developer but I tend to +1 here.
>
> Marcus
I am not a developer, but my years as a Process Engineer taught me that
maintenance must be a high priority for any successful endeavor. a
definite +1 from me.
Keith
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Arrigo Marchiori <ar...@apache.org>.
Hello Matthias, All,
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 01:34:56PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)
>
> - We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
> - We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
> warnings with newer compilers.
> - We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be translated.
> - We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
> - ...
>
> I really don't know where to stop here!
>
> Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks... A
> "cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.
>
> What do others think?
IMHO, the highest hurdle for new contributors, today, is our build
system, especially under Windows.
That is why I tried to put some efforts into the scons-build branch
some time ago.
The ``task difficulty'' is very high, though.
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi All,
Apart from the major task to write a Readme... ;-)
- We had some files encoded with CRLF, maybe there are still others?
- We have a lot of mixed indentation (spaces+tabs) that produce
warnings with newer compilers.
- We still have a big amount of German comments that need to be translated.
- We have a vim modeline in some files, shouldn't we use them more?
- ...
I really don't know where to stop here!
Before we talk about a timeline, let's do the basic tasks... A
"cleaner" source code may also attract volunteers/developers.
What do others think?
Regards,
Matthias
Am 24.05.23 um 07:24 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> Hi All,
>
> Am 23.05.23 um 23:43 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Hi Arrigo,
>>
>> Am 23.05.23 um 22:27 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>> Hello Matthias, All,
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 05:01:36PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Am 20.05.23 um 12:17 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>>> Am 20.05.23 um 10:10 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:49:53PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> After all, we are here to maintain and develop OpenOffice...
>>>>>> Isn't the "Help Wanted" page already a good list?
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not in the form of a roadmap, but it already contains a lot of
>>>>>> content, well structured.
>>>>> I did not have this page on my mind. I have various points not noted,
>>>>> and I would not rate the difficulties of those.
>>> The difficulty rating is a way to help newcomers understand what kind
>>> of task they should start with.
>>>
>>> Tasks whose difficulty is hardly estimated could go into an "Undecided
>>> difficulty" list... ;-)
>>>
>>>>> For example Damjan has written a patch, for getting rid of expat. but
>>>>> we need to implement a small part. However
>>>>>
>>>>> the patch is on the list but not as PR or in code.
>>> This sounds ``very challenging'' to me ;-)
>
> Damjan wrote he did the hard part. So why do you estimate very
> challenging?
>
> I assume because it is unclear what needs to be exactly done. At least
> this is my issue most of the time.
>
> If we could note what is the topic to work on, and how it needs to be
> resolved it becomes much easier, even if the plan has flaws.
>
> Also i keep loosing track what we need to finish. Or what issues can
> be combined.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>>>> ...and just because we are discussing README.md I would
>>>>>> appreciate if
>>>>>> someone added it to the AOO41X and AOO42X branches! They are
>>>>>> worth at
>>>>>> least a minimal description...
>>>>> also +1
>>>> I added a short description at least for AOO41X now.
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> While re-reading my own paragraph above, I think it sounded
>>> polemical. This was not my intention, I apologize. My intention was to
>>> ask for something I did not think I could do very well.
>> No problem!
>>
>> In fact I always wanted to add a Readme and never really did it.
>>
>> But I have no idea for AOO42X, this is our "AOO Forever" branch. ;-)
>>
>> Maybe someone else has an idea?
> i hope i find time soon :(
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>> Best regards,
>
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
Hi All,
Am 23.05.23 um 23:43 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Arrigo,
>
> Am 23.05.23 um 22:27 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>> Hello Matthias, All,
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 05:01:36PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Am 20.05.23 um 12:17 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>> Am 20.05.23 um 10:10 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:49:53PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> After all, we are here to maintain and develop OpenOffice...
>>>>> Isn't the "Help Wanted" page already a good list?
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not in the form of a roadmap, but it already contains a lot of
>>>>> content, well structured.
>>>> I did not have this page on my mind. I have various points not noted,
>>>> and I would not rate the difficulties of those.
>> The difficulty rating is a way to help newcomers understand what kind
>> of task they should start with.
>>
>> Tasks whose difficulty is hardly estimated could go into an "Undecided
>> difficulty" list... ;-)
>>
>>>> For example Damjan has written a patch, for getting rid of expat. but
>>>> we need to implement a small part. However
>>>>
>>>> the patch is on the list but not as PR or in code.
>> This sounds ``very challenging'' to me ;-)
Damjan wrote he did the hard part. So why do you estimate very challenging?
I assume because it is unclear what needs to be exactly done. At least
this is my issue most of the time.
If we could note what is the topic to work on, and how it needs to be
resolved it becomes much easier, even if the plan has flaws.
Also i keep loosing track what we need to finish. Or what issues can be
combined.
>>
>> [...]
>>>>> ...and just because we are discussing README.md I would appreciate if
>>>>> someone added it to the AOO41X and AOO42X branches! They are worth at
>>>>> least a minimal description...
>>>> also +1
>>> I added a short description at least for AOO41X now.
>> Thank you!
>>
>> While re-reading my own paragraph above, I think it sounded
>> polemical. This was not my intention, I apologize. My intention was to
>> ask for something I did not think I could do very well.
> No problem!
>
> In fact I always wanted to add a Readme and never really did it.
>
> But I have no idea for AOO42X, this is our "AOO Forever" branch. ;-)
>
> Maybe someone else has an idea?
i hope i find time soon :(
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Best regards,
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Arrigo,
Am 23.05.23 um 22:27 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> Hello Matthias, All,
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 05:01:36PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Am 20.05.23 um 12:17 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>> Am 20.05.23 um 10:10 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:49:53PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>> [...]
>>>>> After all, we are here to maintain and develop OpenOffice...
>>>> Isn't the "Help Wanted" page already a good list?
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
>>>>
>>>> It is not in the form of a roadmap, but it already contains a lot of
>>>> content, well structured.
>>> I did not have this page on my mind. I have various points not noted,
>>> and I would not rate the difficulties of those.
> The difficulty rating is a way to help newcomers understand what kind
> of task they should start with.
>
> Tasks whose difficulty is hardly estimated could go into an "Undecided
> difficulty" list... ;-)
>
>>> For example Damjan has written a patch, for getting rid of expat. but
>>> we need to implement a small part. However
>>>
>>> the patch is on the list but not as PR or in code.
> This sounds ``very challenging'' to me ;-)
>
> [...]
>>>> ...and just because we are discussing README.md I would appreciate if
>>>> someone added it to the AOO41X and AOO42X branches! They are worth at
>>>> least a minimal description...
>>> also +1
>> I added a short description at least for AOO41X now.
> Thank you!
>
> While re-reading my own paragraph above, I think it sounded
> polemical. This was not my intention, I apologize. My intention was to
> ask for something I did not think I could do very well.
No problem!
In fact I always wanted to add a Readme and never really did it.
But I have no idea for AOO42X, this is our "AOO Forever" branch. ;-)
Maybe someone else has an idea?
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Best regards,
Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Arrigo Marchiori <ar...@apache.org>.
Hello Matthias, All,
On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 05:01:36PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Am 20.05.23 um 12:17 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> >
> > Am 20.05.23 um 10:10 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:49:53PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Peter,
> > [...]
> >>>
> >>> After all, we are here to maintain and develop OpenOffice...
> >> Isn't the "Help Wanted" page already a good list?
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
> >>
> >> It is not in the form of a roadmap, but it already contains a lot of
> >> content, well structured.
> >
> > I did not have this page on my mind. I have various points not noted,
> > and I would not rate the difficulties of those.
The difficulty rating is a way to help newcomers understand what kind
of task they should start with.
Tasks whose difficulty is hardly estimated could go into an "Undecided
difficulty" list... ;-)
> > For example Damjan has written a patch, for getting rid of expat. but
> > we need to implement a small part. However
> >
> > the patch is on the list but not as PR or in code.
This sounds ``very challenging'' to me ;-)
[...]
> >> ...and just because we are discussing README.md I would appreciate if
> >> someone added it to the AOO41X and AOO42X branches! They are worth at
> >> least a minimal description...
> > also +1
>
> I added a short description at least for AOO41X now.
Thank you!
While re-reading my own paragraph above, I think it sounded
polemical. This was not my intention, I apologize. My intention was to
ask for something I did not think I could do very well.
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi all,
Am 20.05.23 um 12:17 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>
> Am 20.05.23 um 10:10 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:49:53PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter,
> [...]
>>>
>>> After all, we are here to maintain and develop OpenOffice...
>> Isn't the "Help Wanted" page already a good list?
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
>>
>> It is not in the form of a roadmap, but it already contains a lot of
>> content, well structured.
>
> I did not have this page on my mind. I have various points not noted,
> and I would not rate the difficulties of those.
>
> For example Damjan has written a patch, for getting rid of expat. but
> we need to implement a small part. However
>
> the patch is on the list but not as PR or in code.
>
>>
>>>> What do you think?
>> A "Contributing" paragraph in README.md with a link to the above page
>> could already be a step forward.
> this is a good idea.
>>
>> Then, we could focus on making that page better, more up to date, in
>> tabular form etc.
>>
>> ...and just because we are discussing README.md I would appreciate if
>> someone added it to the AOO41X and AOO42X branches! They are worth at
>> least a minimal description...
> also +1
I added a short description at least for AOO41X now.
Feel free to optimize!
Regards,
Matthias
>>
>> Best regards,
>
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Re: [discussion] looking for Contributor "campaign"
Posted by Peter Kovacs <pe...@apache.org>.
Am 20.05.23 um 10:10 schrieb Arrigo Marchiori:
> Hello All,
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:49:53PM +0200, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
[...]
>>
>> After all, we are here to maintain and develop OpenOffice...
> Isn't the "Help Wanted" page already a good list?
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Help+Wanted
>
> It is not in the form of a roadmap, but it already contains a lot of
> content, well structured.
I did not have this page on my mind. I have various points not noted,
and I would not rate the difficulties of those.
For example Damjan has written a patch, for getting rid of expat. but we
need to implement a small part. However
the patch is on the list but not as PR or in code.
>
>>> What do you think?
> A "Contributing" paragraph in README.md with a link to the above page
> could already be a step forward.
this is a good idea.
>
> Then, we could focus on making that page better, more up to date, in
> tabular form etc.
>
> ...and just because we are discussing README.md I would appreciate if
> someone added it to the AOO41X and AOO42X branches! They are worth at
> least a minimal description...
also +1
>
> Best regards,
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