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Posted to dev@mrql.apache.org by Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu> on 2013/04/02 17:53:04 UTC
MRQL logo
I was thinking about a logo to use for MRQL.
One idea is to use a sketch of the Hindu elephant god Ganesha,
combined with the Apache feather.
That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
Wikipedia says that "Ganesha is widely revered as the Remover of
Obstacles and more generally as Lord of Beginnings and Lord of
Obstacles, patron of arts and sciences, and the deva of intellect and
wisdom".
If you google images "ganesha sketch", you will see many sketches that
we can use, although some have a copyright.
Anyone familiar with the Hindu religion? Do you think it may be
offensive or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who
can do this for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
Leonidas
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@apache.org>.
+1 :D
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu> wrote:
> What do you thing about this logo?
>
> http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-logo.jpg
>
> Its the elephant-god Ganesha writing code using the Apache feather.
> Leonidas
>
>
>
> On 04/02/2013 04:35 PM, Edward J. Yoon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
>>
>> LOL, wonderful!
>>
>>>> or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who can do this
>>>> for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
>>
>> I'll ask my friends. ;)
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Karthik Kambatla <ka...@cloudera.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds cool. I am a Hindu and I don't think it is offensive in any way.
>>> If
>>> anything, it is "supposed" to be good for the project to adopt Ganesha as
>>> logo. :)
>>>
>>> Personally, I would like a funky version of Ganesha as opposed to the
>>> traditional one. Say,
>>> http://www.punemobile.com/wallpapers/d/136-4/Sketch+Of+Ganesh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Leonidas Fegaras
>>> <fe...@cse.uta.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking about a logo to use for MRQL.
>>>> One idea is to use a sketch of the Hindu elephant god Ganesha, combined
>>>> with the Apache feather.
>>>> That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
>>>> Wikipedia says that "Ganesha is widely revered as the Remover of
>>>> Obstacles
>>>> and more generally as Lord of Beginnings and Lord of Obstacles, patron
>>>> of
>>>> arts and sciences, and the deva of intellect and wisdom".
>>>> If you google images "ganesha sketch", you will see many sketches that
>>>> we
>>>> can use, although some have a copyright.
>>>> Anyone familiar with the Hindu religion? Do you think it may be
>>>> offensive
>>>> or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who can do this
>>>> for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
>>>> Leonidas
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
--
Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon
@eddieyoon
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@apache.org>.
I understand Alex's point, too. But I think 'miracle' is not bad. I'll
ask my illustrator friends to draw miraculous cute logos for us. Let's
collect them and vote!
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu> wrote:
> Alex, I see your point. You are right. We need to find something more
> appropriate. It's not urgent.
> Maybe we should not use the 'miracle' pronunciation too. MRQL should be
> pronounced M-R-Q-L, not miracle. It's not important to use this name and may
> sound a bit silly and obnoxious.
> Leonidas
>
>
> On 04/04/2013 03:21 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fegaras@cse.uta.edu
>> <ma...@cse.uta.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> What do you thing about this logo?
>>
>> http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-logo.jpg
>>
>> Its the elephant-god Ganesha writing code using the Apache feather.
>> Leonidas
>>
>>
>>
>> -1 (strong)
>>
>> <mentor-hat-on>
>> The use of religious, national, or political symbols are unacceptable for
>> a logo/mascot at the ASF. Think about it like this: would a logo with Jesus
>> healing a blind man (miracles being performed) be acceptable? Using Ganesha
>> is essentially the same thing. Please pick something else as the logo/mascot
>> figure. Stay away from religion: it's not our business.
>> </mentor-hat-on>
>>
>> I'll be retarded and fully spell it out for you guys. I'm not trying to be
>> a dick about it so please hear me out and understand why.
>>
>> Personally I think it's cute and again kind of plays on miracles and
>> Hadoop's elephant motif. I see what you're trying to do/convey and I
>> appreciate it. This would be great if MRQL was not here at Apache. We
>> however are in the Apache Incubator and there are rules and "ways" we have
>> to follow. So unfortunately you must compromise and can't pick these kinds
>> of figures to use for a logo/mascot.
>>
>> So I'm fine with Ganesha but I hate to think about having someone yank the
>> logo out of my hands (and be right for doing so) after I've invested so much
>> time and emotion using it for months or a year. It would be a bummer.
>>
>> Come graduation time it will become another contentious discussion that
>> will consume much time and energy.
>>
>> Although untrue, just presume that I or someone else am insulted by this
>> as a non-Hindu. You are opening up a can of worms here.
>>
>> Can you see this?
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> -- Alex
>> .
>
>
--
Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon
@eddieyoon
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu>wrote:
> Alex, I see your point. You are right. We need to find something more
> appropriate. It's not urgent.
>
Thanks for understanding Leonidas. Really I hated having to push this point
but in the end we would have been disappointed for having to change it
later :(. Really sorry for it.
> Maybe we should not use the 'miracle' pronunciation too. MRQL should be
> pronounced M-R-Q-L, not miracle. It's not important to use this name and
> may sound a bit silly and obnoxious.
>
I agree with Ed's post.
The miracle thing is very broad and universal. It could also mean something
that was impossible but just happened. I don't think there would be an
issue with that in the Incubator. The thing is picking one religious
group's icon over another. That's what brings about problems.
Again thanks for being a good sport about this. I hate being the harbinger
of bad news. It really sucks.
Regards,
Alex
>
>
> On 04/04/2013 03:21 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fegaras@cse.uta.edu<mailto:
>> fegaras@cse.uta.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> What do you thing about this logo?
>>
>> http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-**logo.jpg<http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-logo.jpg>
>>
>> Its the elephant-god Ganesha writing code using the Apache feather.
>> Leonidas
>>
>>
>>
>> -1 (strong)
>>
>> <mentor-hat-on>
>> The use of religious, national, or political symbols are unacceptable for
>> a logo/mascot at the ASF. Think about it like this: would a logo with Jesus
>> healing a blind man (miracles being performed) be acceptable? Using Ganesha
>> is essentially the same thing. Please pick something else as the
>> logo/mascot figure. Stay away from religion: it's not our business.
>> </mentor-hat-on>
>>
>> I'll be retarded and fully spell it out for you guys. I'm not trying to
>> be a dick about it so please hear me out and understand why.
>>
>> Personally I think it's cute and again kind of plays on miracles and
>> Hadoop's elephant motif. I see what you're trying to do/convey and I
>> appreciate it. This would be great if MRQL was not here at Apache. We
>> however are in the Apache Incubator and there are rules and "ways" we have
>> to follow. So unfortunately you must compromise and can't pick these kinds
>> of figures to use for a logo/mascot.
>>
>> So I'm fine with Ganesha but I hate to think about having someone yank
>> the logo out of my hands (and be right for doing so) after I've invested so
>> much time and emotion using it for months or a year. It would be a bummer.
>>
>> Come graduation time it will become another contentious discussion that
>> will consume much time and energy.
>>
>> Although untrue, just presume that I or someone else am insulted by this
>> as a non-Hindu. You are opening up a can of worms here.
>>
>> Can you see this?
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>> -- Alex
>> .
>>
>
>
--
Best Regards,
-- Alex
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu>.
Alex, I see your point. You are right. We need to find something more
appropriate. It's not urgent.
Maybe we should not use the 'miracle' pronunciation too. MRQL should be
pronounced M-R-Q-L, not miracle. It's not important to use this name and
may sound a bit silly and obnoxious.
Leonidas
On 04/04/2013 03:21 AM, Alex Karasulu wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fegaras@cse.uta.edu
> <ma...@cse.uta.edu>> wrote:
>
> What do you thing about this logo?
>
> http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-logo.jpg
>
> Its the elephant-god Ganesha writing code using the Apache feather.
> Leonidas
>
>
>
> -1 (strong)
>
> <mentor-hat-on>
> The use of religious, national, or political symbols are unacceptable
> for a logo/mascot at the ASF. Think about it like this: would a logo
> with Jesus healing a blind man (miracles being performed) be
> acceptable? Using Ganesha is essentially the same thing. Please pick
> something else as the logo/mascot figure. Stay away from religion:
> it's not our business.
> </mentor-hat-on>
>
> I'll be retarded and fully spell it out for you guys. I'm not trying
> to be a dick about it so please hear me out and understand why.
>
> Personally I think it's cute and again kind of plays on miracles and
> Hadoop's elephant motif. I see what you're trying to do/convey and I
> appreciate it. This would be great if MRQL was not here at Apache. We
> however are in the Apache Incubator and there are rules and "ways" we
> have to follow. So unfortunately you must compromise and can't pick
> these kinds of figures to use for a logo/mascot.
>
> So I'm fine with Ganesha but I hate to think about having someone yank
> the logo out of my hands (and be right for doing so) after I've
> invested so much time and emotion using it for months or a year. It
> would be a bummer.
>
> Come graduation time it will become another contentious discussion
> that will consume much time and energy.
>
> Although untrue, just presume that I or someone else am insulted by
> this as a non-Hindu. You are opening up a can of worms here.
>
> Can you see this?
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> -- Alex
> .
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by Alex Karasulu <ak...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu>wrote:
> What do you thing about this logo?
>
> http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-**logo.jpg<http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-logo.jpg>
>
> Its the elephant-god Ganesha writing code using the Apache feather.
> Leonidas
>
>
>
-1 (strong)
<mentor-hat-on>
The use of religious, national, or political symbols are unacceptable for a
logo/mascot at the ASF. Think about it like this: would a logo with Jesus
healing a blind man (miracles being performed) be acceptable? Using Ganesha
is essentially the same thing. Please pick something else as the
logo/mascot figure. Stay away from religion: it's not our business.
</mentor-hat-on>
I'll be retarded and fully spell it out for you guys. I'm not trying to be
a dick about it so please hear me out and understand why.
Personally I think it's cute and again kind of plays on miracles and
Hadoop's elephant motif. I see what you're trying to do/convey and I
appreciate it. This would be great if MRQL was not here at Apache. We
however are in the Apache Incubator and there are rules and "ways" we have
to follow. So unfortunately you must compromise and can't pick these kinds
of figures to use for a logo/mascot.
So I'm fine with Ganesha but I hate to think about having someone yank the
logo out of my hands (and be right for doing so) after I've invested so
much time and emotion using it for months or a year. It would be a bummer.
Come graduation time it will become another contentious discussion that
will consume much time and energy.
Although untrue, just presume that I or someone else am insulted by this as
a non-Hindu. You are opening up a can of worms here.
Can you see this?
--
Best Regards,
-- Alex
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu>.
What do you thing about this logo?
http://lambda.uta.edu/mrql-logo.jpg
Its the elephant-god Ganesha writing code using the Apache feather.
Leonidas
On 04/02/2013 04:35 PM, Edward J. Yoon wrote:
>>> That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
> LOL, wonderful!
>
>>> or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who can do this
>>> for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
> I'll ask my friends. ;)
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Karthik Kambatla <ka...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>> Sounds cool. I am a Hindu and I don't think it is offensive in any way. If
>> anything, it is "supposed" to be good for the project to adopt Ganesha as
>> logo. :)
>>
>> Personally, I would like a funky version of Ganesha as opposed to the
>> traditional one. Say,
>> http://www.punemobile.com/wallpapers/d/136-4/Sketch+Of+Ganesh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu>wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking about a logo to use for MRQL.
>>> One idea is to use a sketch of the Hindu elephant god Ganesha, combined
>>> with the Apache feather.
>>> That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
>>> Wikipedia says that "Ganesha is widely revered as the Remover of Obstacles
>>> and more generally as Lord of Beginnings and Lord of Obstacles, patron of
>>> arts and sciences, and the deva of intellect and wisdom".
>>> If you google images "ganesha sketch", you will see many sketches that we
>>> can use, although some have a copyright.
>>> Anyone familiar with the Hindu religion? Do you think it may be offensive
>>> or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who can do this
>>> for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
>>> Leonidas
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by "Edward J. Yoon" <ed...@apache.org>.
>> That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
LOL, wonderful!
>> or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who can do this
>> for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
I'll ask my friends. ;)
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Karthik Kambatla <ka...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> Sounds cool. I am a Hindu and I don't think it is offensive in any way. If
> anything, it is "supposed" to be good for the project to adopt Ganesha as
> logo. :)
>
> Personally, I would like a funky version of Ganesha as opposed to the
> traditional one. Say,
> http://www.punemobile.com/wallpapers/d/136-4/Sketch+Of+Ganesh
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu>wrote:
>
>> I was thinking about a logo to use for MRQL.
>> One idea is to use a sketch of the Hindu elephant god Ganesha, combined
>> with the Apache feather.
>> That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
>> Wikipedia says that "Ganesha is widely revered as the Remover of Obstacles
>> and more generally as Lord of Beginnings and Lord of Obstacles, patron of
>> arts and sciences, and the deva of intellect and wisdom".
>> If you google images "ganesha sketch", you will see many sketches that we
>> can use, although some have a copyright.
>> Anyone familiar with the Hindu religion? Do you think it may be offensive
>> or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who can do this
>> for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
>> Leonidas
>>
>>
--
Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon
@eddieyoon
Re: MRQL logo
Posted by Karthik Kambatla <ka...@cloudera.com>.
Sounds cool. I am a Hindu and I don't think it is offensive in any way. If
anything, it is "supposed" to be good for the project to adopt Ganesha as
logo. :)
Personally, I would like a funky version of Ganesha as opposed to the
traditional one. Say,
http://www.punemobile.com/wallpapers/d/136-4/Sketch+Of+Ganesh
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Leonidas Fegaras <fe...@cse.uta.edu>wrote:
> I was thinking about a logo to use for MRQL.
> One idea is to use a sketch of the Hindu elephant god Ganesha, combined
> with the Apache feather.
> That way, we will have an elephant that does miracles (MRQL).
> Wikipedia says that "Ganesha is widely revered as the Remover of Obstacles
> and more generally as Lord of Beginnings and Lord of Obstacles, patron of
> arts and sciences, and the deva of intellect and wisdom".
> If you google images "ganesha sketch", you will see many sketches that we
> can use, although some have a copyright.
> Anyone familiar with the Hindu religion? Do you think it may be offensive
> or sacrilegious? Is there any graphic designer in Apache who can do this
> for free? How did they do the logo for Hama?
> Leonidas
>
>