RE: Re: AW: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?

["T. Schapitz" <t....@online.de>]

To me, this looks like the most attractive compromise.

As a boomer accostomed to my old ways, I'm always a bit dismayed with 
overly drastic changes in the look and feel. And having felt somewhat 
fortunate to be able to switch from a green on black crt world to black 
on white with a grey scale monitor 25 years ago, later even to colors, I 
will never understand, why people would want to return into darkness. To 
me this somehow feels like lurking about in a dimly lit tool shed. - let 
there be light! ;-). That said: being able to select the setting on the 
first within the options, and beeing offered to change the default on 
the welcome page also would be sufficient as far as I'm concerned,


On 2021/11/29 15:53:55 Michael Bien wrote:
 > On 29.11.21 16:28, Christian Lenz wrote:
 > > I don’t get it atm. What is the preferred solution now? Open the 
options when NetBeans is still open or what? That means that I need to 
restart NetBeans again. Probably I got it wrong.
 >
 > 1) set LightLAF as default which should hopefully work for many as
 > discussed here
 >
 > 2) notify user somehow that the default can be changed. e.g via
 > convenient link in welcome page or via notification bubble or both (this
 > would link to the options)
 >
 > 3) if user changes settings it will require restart yes but the UI for
 > that is already there
 >
 >
 > =>
 >
 >  - no startup dialog
 >
 >  - no duplicated UI
 >
 >  - potential to be further optimized in future by letting it probe to
 > make a more educated decision whether to automatically set the dark
 > theme instead of light
 >
 >
 > >
 > > Von: Neil C Smith
 > > Gesendet: Montag, 29. November 2021 15:36
 > > An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
 > > Betreff: Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Default to FlatLaf in NetBeans 13?
 > >
 > > On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 at 15:20, Eirik Bakke <eb...@ultorg.com> wrote:
 > >> There are hundreds of options that can be customized, and there is 
real value-add in _not_ requiring the user (especially new users) to 
know about or touch them.
 > >>
 > >> We also don't want a situation where we end up having two 
different user interfaces for setting the same options. A user that 
changed the LAF from a startup dialog or installer would then have to 
find and use a _different_ user interface (the Options dialog) to change 
it again later.
 > > This is a very good point!
 > >
 > > This thread came partly from issues with people finding (the right)
 > > options, and a default that doesn't match what most of us are doing.
 > > But for common options that people might want to customize, then a
 > > better welcome page would beat a dialog. Because rather than setting
 > > the option, we could just open the options dialog in the right place
 > > to show them where to set it.
 > >
 > > eg. big button on welcome page with text "Switch to dark or system
 > > look and feel" opens the look and feel tab in the options.
 > >
 > > We could have defaults that match what most of us use, and 6-8 quick
 > > links for settings that a lot of us change? And keep the current
 > > direct links to install plugins or activate features, which could look
 > > a little more like you're meant to press them!
 > >
 > > Best wishes,
 > >
 > > Neil
 > >
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