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svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Author: sebb
Date: Mon Oct 21 15:26:20 2013
New Revision: 1534216
URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1534216
Log:
ASF Branding
Modified:
commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Modified: commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml?rev=1534216&r1=1534215&r2=1534216&view=diff
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--- commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml (original)
+++ commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml Mon Oct 21 15:26:20 2013
@@ -28,9 +28,9 @@
<artifactId>commons-fileupload</artifactId>
<version>1.4-SNAPSHOT</version>
- <name>Commons FileUpload</name>
+ <name>Apache Commons FileUpload</name>
<description>
- The FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
+ The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
file upload functionality to servlets and web applications.
</description>
<url>http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-fileupload/</url>
Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 22 October 2013 08:50, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 2013-10-22, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> On 22/10/2013 08:12, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>>> Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
>>>> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>
>>>> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
>>>> trademark.
>
>>> But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
>>> say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?
>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#naming
>
> One thing that the above link doesn't solve is a problem I faced (in a
> certain way still face) and that I might share with Emmanuel. It is a
> problem of language. Even in "Apache Foo library" Foo remains a noun
> (or rather part of a compound noun) in German and likely other
> non-English languages, it still is not an adjective at all.
>
> I for one have accepted this as "I don't understand it and leave any
> changes to native speakers" at this point. Not only do I not understand
> the linguistic differences, I don't understand the relevance to
> trademark law either. At one point in time I've learned that I don't
> need to understand everything :-)
The comparison I often use is:
1) The Ford car is blue.
1a) The car is blue.
2) The Ford is blue.
2a) The is blue.
In (1), the subject of the sentence is "car"; the attribute "Ford" can
be dropped and the sentence still makes sense (1a).
In (2) the subject of the sentence is "Ford"; it cannot be dropped
without creating a nonsense sentence (2a).
Another way to look at trademarks is that they are were originally
marks which are applied to tradeable items (e.g. goods).
The mark was a physical mark that was often physically applied to the
tradeable item.
They don't make sense without the item to which they apply.
Also the field of use is important; think Apple records (Beatles) and
Apple Computer.
The lawsuits started when Apple Computer started getting into the
music business.
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On 2013-10-22, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 22/10/2013 08:12, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>> Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
>>> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>>> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
>>> trademark.
>> But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
>> say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#naming
One thing that the above link doesn't solve is a problem I faced (in a
certain way still face) and that I might share with Emmanuel. It is a
problem of language. Even in "Apache Foo library" Foo remains a noun
(or rather part of a compound noun) in German and likely other
non-English languages, it still is not an adjective at all.
I for one have accepted this as "I don't understand it and leave any
changes to native speakers" at this point. Not only do I not understand
the linguistic differences, I don't understand the relevance to
trademark law either. At one point in time I've learned that I don't
need to understand everything :-)
Stefan
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 22/10/2013 08:12, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
>> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>>
>> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
>> trademark.
>
> But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
> say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#naming
Mark
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>
> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
> trademark.
But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 22/10/2013 00:21, Mark Thomas a écrit :
>
>> "The Fileupload component is ideal for ..." is fine.
>> "Fileupload is ideal for ..." is not.
>
> Ok, but my suggestion was:
>
> "Apache Commons FileUpload provides a simple yet flexible..."
Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
trademark.
Mark
>
> instead of:
>
>
> "The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible..."
>
> Emmanuel Bourg
>
>
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 22/10/2013 00:21, Mark Thomas a écrit :
> "The Fileupload component is ideal for ..." is fine.
> "Fileupload is ideal for ..." is not.
Ok, but my suggestion was:
"Apache Commons FileUpload provides a simple yet flexible..."
instead of:
"The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible..."
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 21/10/2013 23:13, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 21/10/2013 19:37, sebb a écrit :
>
>> the component name must not be used as a noun.
>
> Must not? Why that?
Trademark law. We have to use our trademarks correctly in order to be
able defend them should someone attempt to abuse them.
> It is a noun, that's how people name it.
"The Fileupload component is ideal for ..." is fine.
"Fileupload is ideal for ..." is not.
Mark
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 21/10/2013 19:37, sebb a écrit :
> the component name must not be used as a noun.
Must not? Why that? It is a noun, that's how people name it.
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 21 October 2013 18:17, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Le 21/10/2013 17:26, sebb@apache.org a écrit :
>
>> - The FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
>> + The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
>> file upload functionality to servlets and web applications.
>
> I would either say "The Foo component" or "Apache Commons Foo", but "The
> Apache Commons Foo component" is a bit a mouthful.
It may be, but it's not grammatical without the "The".
It's important that the primary mention of a component name includes
the Apache Commons TLP name, and the component name must not be used
as a noun.
> Emmanuel Bourg
>
>
>
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 21/10/2013 17:26, sebb@apache.org a écrit :
> - The FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
> + The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
> file upload functionality to servlets and web applications.
I would either say "The Foo component" or "Apache Commons Foo", but "The
Apache Commons Foo component" is a bit a mouthful.
Emmanuel Bourg
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