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svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Author: sebb
Date: Mon Oct 21 15:26:20 2013
New Revision: 1534216

URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1534216
Log:
ASF Branding

Modified:
    commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Modified: commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml?rev=1534216&r1=1534215&r2=1534216&view=diff
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--- commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml (original)
+++ commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml Mon Oct 21 15:26:20 2013
@@ -28,9 +28,9 @@
   <artifactId>commons-fileupload</artifactId>
   <version>1.4-SNAPSHOT</version>
 
-  <name>Commons FileUpload</name>
+  <name>Apache Commons FileUpload</name>
   <description>
-    The FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
+    The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
     file upload functionality to servlets and web applications.
   </description>
   <url>http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-fileupload/</url>



Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 22 October 2013 08:50, Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 2013-10-22, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
>> On 22/10/2013 08:12, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>>> Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
>>>> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>
>>>> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
>>>> trademark.
>
>>> But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
>>> say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?
>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#naming
>
> One thing that the above link doesn't solve is a problem I faced (in a
> certain way still face) and that I might share with Emmanuel.  It is a
> problem of language.  Even in "Apache Foo library" Foo remains a noun
> (or rather part of a compound noun) in German and likely other
> non-English languages, it still is not an adjective at all.
>
> I for one have accepted this as "I don't understand it and leave any
> changes to native speakers" at this point.  Not only do I not understand
> the linguistic differences, I don't understand the relevance to
> trademark law either.  At one point in time I've learned that I don't
> need to understand everything :-)

The comparison I often use is:

1) The Ford car is blue.
1a) The car is blue.

2) The Ford is blue.
2a) The is blue.

In (1), the subject of the sentence is "car"; the attribute "Ford" can
be dropped and the sentence still makes sense (1a).

In (2) the subject of the sentence is "Ford"; it cannot be dropped
without creating a nonsense sentence (2a).

Another way to look at trademarks is that they are were originally
marks which are applied to tradeable items (e.g. goods).
The mark was a physical mark that was often physically applied to the
tradeable item.

They don't make sense without the item to which they apply.
Also the field of use is important; think Apple records (Beatles) and
Apple Computer.
The lawsuits started when Apple Computer started getting into the
music business.

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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.
On 2013-10-22, Mark Thomas wrote:

> On 22/10/2013 08:12, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>> Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
>>> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:

>>> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
>>> trademark.

>> But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
>> say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?

> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#naming

One thing that the above link doesn't solve is a problem I faced (in a
certain way still face) and that I might share with Emmanuel.  It is a
problem of language.  Even in "Apache Foo library" Foo remains a noun
(or rather part of a compound noun) in German and likely other
non-English languages, it still is not an adjective at all.

I for one have accepted this as "I don't understand it and leave any
changes to native speakers" at this point.  Not only do I not understand
the linguistic differences, I don't understand the relevance to
trademark law either.  At one point in time I've learned that I don't
need to understand everything :-)

Stefan

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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 22/10/2013 08:12, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
>> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>>
>> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
>> trademark.
> 
> But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
> say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?

http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#naming

Mark


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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 22/10/2013 00:33, Mark Thomas a écrit :
> On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> 
> Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
> trademark.

But how is it different from "Apache Tomcat" or "Apache Qpid"? We don't
say "The Apache Tomcat component" or "The Apache Qpid component", right?

Emmanuel Bourg


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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 21/10/2013 23:31, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 22/10/2013 00:21, Mark Thomas a écrit :
> 
>> "The Fileupload component is ideal for ..." is fine.
>> "Fileupload is ideal for ..." is not.
> 
> Ok, but my suggestion was:
> 
> "Apache Commons FileUpload provides a simple yet flexible..."

Thatis using Fileupload as a noun which isn't the correct usage of the
trademark.

Mark


> 
> instead of:
> 
> 
> "The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible..."
> 
> Emmanuel Bourg
> 
> 
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 22/10/2013 00:21, Mark Thomas a écrit :

> "The Fileupload component is ideal for ..." is fine.
> "Fileupload is ideal for ..." is not.

Ok, but my suggestion was:

"Apache Commons FileUpload provides a simple yet flexible..."

instead of:


"The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible..."

Emmanuel Bourg


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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 21/10/2013 23:13, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Le 21/10/2013 19:37, sebb a écrit :
> 
>> the component name must not be used as a noun.
> 
> Must not? Why that?

Trademark law. We have to use our trademarks correctly in order to be
able defend them should someone attempt to abuse them.

> It is a noun, that's how people name it.

"The Fileupload component is ideal for ..." is fine.
"Fileupload is ideal for ..." is not.

Mark


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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 21/10/2013 19:37, sebb a écrit :

> the component name must not be used as a noun.

Must not? Why that? It is a noun, that's how people name it.

Emmanuel Bourg


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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 21 October 2013 18:17, Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Le 21/10/2013 17:26, sebb@apache.org a écrit :
>
>> -    The FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
>> +    The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
>>      file upload functionality to servlets and web applications.
>
> I would either say "The Foo component" or "Apache Commons Foo", but "The
> Apache Commons Foo component" is a bit a mouthful.

It may be, but it's not grammatical without the "The".

It's important that the primary mention of a component name includes
the Apache Commons TLP name, and the component name must not be used
as a noun.

> Emmanuel Bourg
>
>
>
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Re: svn commit: r1534216 - /commons/proper/fileupload/trunk/pom.xml

Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Le 21/10/2013 17:26, sebb@apache.org a écrit :

> -    The FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
> +    The Apache Commons FileUpload component provides a simple yet flexible means of adding support for multipart
>      file upload functionality to servlets and web applications.

I would either say "The Foo component" or "Apache Commons Foo", but "The
Apache Commons Foo component" is a bit a mouthful.

Emmanuel Bourg



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