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Posted to users@royale.apache.org by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> on 2017/10/25 20:08:15 UTC
Re: Apache Royale Compiler
Hi Carlos,
I will move this discussion to the Royale list.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough. We aren't asking you to open source your
code. We are just saying that if you choose to go with Royale/FlexJS
right now you will be a high-priority user. As opposed to maybe 3 years
from now when we have 100's of users asking for things. If there is a bug
or missing feature in the Royale components, we will work on it ASAP. If
you having trouble finding a bug, we will try to help you find it. That's
why I said it was like having an extended team. Once we have more users
it will harder to get rapid response to solving your problems. If you go
with Royale now, you essentially get the experts help when you need it.
The way it works is that you grab a copy of Royale and start the migration
and ask questions and file bugs. I think Harbs and Yishay have some
migration lessons learned they can share. You may need to create a simple
test case for some bugs or show snippets of your code, but you won't have
to make the whole thing public. If you run into an issue that can't be
reproduced in a simple test case, and we need to see your code, we can
often do a screen share via Skype or Adobe Connect. If you need a
Non-Disclosure Agreement we can look into that.
I personally have seen a dozen or so Flex application source codebases
over the years from the Adobe Flex days. And yeah, they aren't always as
well-coded as one might like, but I have low expectations there so don't
worry about your code quality. It is what it is, and we want Royale to
work without requiring users to clean up code.
Let us know if you want to get started.
-Alex
On 10/25/17, 12:26 PM, "Carlos Cruz" <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
>Hi Alex;
>I have often thought of making most of the software I've worked on "open
>source" the 2 main reasons I haven't is: 1. because there's no
>documentation (yes I do know better) 2. I'm not that good of a coder, I
>think if there was an international coding contest I would come just
>ahead of the shepherd from the Balkans that does not yet get internet. I
>think I'm pretty good at business process development but coding is
>another story.
>
>I'm not sure if my project is the type of project that is suitable for
>community development. But if the community wants it I'll gladly share
>the source code I have as long as it benefits the Flex community. The
>only module which I'm not willing to share is a telephony module because
>that's the one I use in my business and I spend the most time with.
>
>The application is a multi-tenant hosted modular system the main
>Application is currently named: CruzControlUrBusiness (I'm not that vain,
>if I ever release it will be called it ezworkx) . The main application
>manages the loading of all the other modules (using Module Component)
>into a ViewStack component. The backend is a Java backend via BlazeDS.
>The idea behind the project was to help related and non-related
>individuals and / or teams to work on projects or tasks.
>
>I haven't done much work on the application lately because I've been
>uncertain as to which JS platform to use. There are other modules like
>Invoice which I'm also willing to share, but like the Store Module it
>deviates greatly from the strategy I am intending on using. The direction
>I started working on was using the Designer Module to enable users to
>create their own applications using a drag-and-drop interface with data
>specific components. The business modules like Invoicing and Store I am
>planning to use the Apache Project OFBiz (Service Engine only) as the
>back end logic via a Spring API which I can also make available. If you
>find any of this useful, I could also help the community with some
>Virtual Machines from my office running on Dell 1950 that I'm not using.
>
>The application uses a windowing interface heavily based on someone
>else's project I believe is called Dashboard, but there are no
>restrictions on its use, but if the app is converted to JS this become
>irrelevant.
>
>If you have any questions or if I can be of any help to the community let
>me know. If you want in +/- 1 week I can set it up in a public accessible
>server. But because of the incomplete status of the application, lack of
>documentation and my coding abilities no need to get excited. Despite all
>my warts I would like to convert what I have to JS and continue the
>development, I just been finding most frameworks and / or libraries
>lacking the App Building abilities of Flex, that's why I've been wanting
>to test FlexJS.
>
>Thx!
>Carlos
>
>
>
>I think the modules of most wide interest are listed below with the SWF
>size in KB.
>CruzControlBusiness_Calendar 1653
>CruzControlBusiness_Contacts_Manager 2007
>CruzControlBusiness_Inventory 1768 (used to manage what modules,
>tools and screens are available to a client if app is being hosted)
>CruzControlBusiness_Msg_Center 3626 (team and inter-team
>communications -> ie email, internal text messages)
>CruzControlBusiness_Store 1717 (module and feature selection heavily
>Based on the old Adobe Store, meant to be temporary)
>CruzControlUrBusiness 6364 (main module)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Classifieds 1782
>CruzControlUrBusiness_CMS 1664 (the system's content manager)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Communicator 2191 (internal team video and text
>messaging client)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Designer 1666 (report and screen designer)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Project_Manager 1766
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Writer 2240 (my attempt at a basic text editor
>based on TLF)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_GroupCalendar 1537
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Scheduler 1644
>
>For testing purposes they are distinct Flex applications but are meant to
>be used as components, mostly with the Project Manager module for
>internal information exchange as they're not meant to be full Blog,
>Forum, Wiki applications. The Wiki was also meant to be the help system.
>CruzControlBusiness_Blog 1740
>CruzControlBusiness_Forums 1742
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Wiki 1660
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com.INVALID]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:52 PM
>To: users@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Apache Royale Compiler
>
>Well, it is a quick search and replace if you already have code using
>FlexJS.
>
>Can you tell us more about your application? I think Harbs is mostly
>done with his migration so I think we have the bandwidth to "adopt"
>another migration effort. Your migration issues would be given priority.
> It would be like having extra team members.
>
>Technically, a main reason for Royale is to automate the conversion of
>your code from the more structured AS to the less structured JS.
>Manually porting the code is likely to have higher risk of hard-to-find
>problems.
>
>How many SWFs, about how large are the SWFs? Are you using any
>third-party libraries? Any particular components that are key to your
>application?
>
>Thanks,
>-Alex
>
>On 10/24/17, 12:48 PM, "Carlos Cruz" <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
>
>>Thx!! I appreciate the quick response. I have a huge Flex (flash
>>player) web application to convert, I have yet to decide which
>>direction to go, so I guess it's a good thing I haven't done too much
>>work with FlexJS.
>>
>>Thx!
>>Carlos
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com.INVALID]
>>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 11:11 PM
>>To: users@flex.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: Apache Royale Compiler
>>
>>Hi Carlos,
>>
>>Yes, there are probably changes required. Look for the word "flexjs"
>>and replace it with "royale". Then also look for occurrences of just
>>plain "flex" (especially in package names) and many of those will also
>>need replacing with "royale".
>>
>>HTH,
>>-Alex
>>
>>On 10/23/17, 6:01 PM, "Carlos Cruz" <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
>>
>>>To test the Royale compiler are any changes to the code required to
>>>apps targeting FlexJS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thx!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
RE: Apache Royale Compiler
Posted by Carlos Cruz <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com>.
Just a quick reply... I understood your point about you weren't asking to open source any code, (perhaps it was me that was not clear) I was only stating that if the migration was successful I would be very open to make non-core modules and components open source if it helped the Flex/Royale community in some way, from the perspective the healthier the community the better for me / everyone working with Flex/Royale.
I'll grab a copy of Royale later today and if I have any questions I will ask on the Royale List which I have yet to subscribe.
Thx!
Carlos
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com.INVALID]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:08 PM
To: users@flex.apache.org; users@royale.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache Royale Compiler
Hi Carlos,
I will move this discussion to the Royale list.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough. We aren't asking you to open source your
code. We are just saying that if you choose to go with Royale/FlexJS
right now you will be a high-priority user. As opposed to maybe 3 years from now when we have 100's of users asking for things. If there is a bug or missing feature in the Royale components, we will work on it ASAP. If you having trouble finding a bug, we will try to help you find it. That's why I said it was like having an extended team. Once we have more users it will harder to get rapid response to solving your problems. If you go with Royale now, you essentially get the experts help when you need it.
The way it works is that you grab a copy of Royale and start the migration and ask questions and file bugs. I think Harbs and Yishay have some migration lessons learned they can share. You may need to create a simple test case for some bugs or show snippets of your code, but you won't have to make the whole thing public. If you run into an issue that can't be reproduced in a simple test case, and we need to see your code, we can often do a screen share via Skype or Adobe Connect. If you need a Non-Disclosure Agreement we can look into that.
I personally have seen a dozen or so Flex application source codebases over the years from the Adobe Flex days. And yeah, they aren't always as well-coded as one might like, but I have low expectations there so don't worry about your code quality. It is what it is, and we want Royale to work without requiring users to clean up code.
Let us know if you want to get started.
-Alex
On 10/25/17, 12:26 PM, "Carlos Cruz" <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
>Hi Alex;
>I have often thought of making most of the software I've worked on
>"open source" the 2 main reasons I haven't is: 1. because there's no
>documentation (yes I do know better) 2. I'm not that good of a coder, I
>think if there was an international coding contest I would come just
>ahead of the shepherd from the Balkans that does not yet get internet.
>I think I'm pretty good at business process development but coding is
>another story.
>
>I'm not sure if my project is the type of project that is suitable for
>community development. But if the community wants it I'll gladly share
>the source code I have as long as it benefits the Flex community. The
>only module which I'm not willing to share is a telephony module
>because that's the one I use in my business and I spend the most time with.
>
>The application is a multi-tenant hosted modular system the main
>Application is currently named: CruzControlUrBusiness (I'm not that
>vain, if I ever release it will be called it ezworkx) . The main
>application manages the loading of all the other modules (using Module
>Component) into a ViewStack component. The backend is a Java backend via BlazeDS.
>The idea behind the project was to help related and non-related
>individuals and / or teams to work on projects or tasks.
>
>I haven't done much work on the application lately because I've been
>uncertain as to which JS platform to use. There are other modules like
>Invoice which I'm also willing to share, but like the Store Module it
>deviates greatly from the strategy I am intending on using. The
>direction I started working on was using the Designer Module to enable
>users to create their own applications using a drag-and-drop interface
>with data specific components. The business modules like Invoicing and
>Store I am planning to use the Apache Project OFBiz (Service Engine
>only) as the back end logic via a Spring API which I can also make
>available. If you find any of this useful, I could also help the
>community with some Virtual Machines from my office running on Dell 1950 that I'm not using.
>
>The application uses a windowing interface heavily based on someone
>else's project I believe is called Dashboard, but there are no
>restrictions on its use, but if the app is converted to JS this become
>irrelevant.
>
>If you have any questions or if I can be of any help to the community
>let me know. If you want in +/- 1 week I can set it up in a public
>accessible server. But because of the incomplete status of the
>application, lack of documentation and my coding abilities no need to
>get excited. Despite all my warts I would like to convert what I have
>to JS and continue the development, I just been finding most frameworks
>and / or libraries lacking the App Building abilities of Flex, that's
>why I've been wanting to test FlexJS.
>
>Thx!
>Carlos
>
>
>
>I think the modules of most wide interest are listed below with the SWF
>size in KB.
>CruzControlBusiness_Calendar 1653
>CruzControlBusiness_Contacts_Manager 2007
>CruzControlBusiness_Inventory 1768 (used to manage what modules,
>tools and screens are available to a client if app is being hosted)
>CruzControlBusiness_Msg_Center 3626 (team and inter-team
>communications -> ie email, internal text messages)
>CruzControlBusiness_Store 1717 (module and feature selection heavily
>Based on the old Adobe Store, meant to be temporary)
>CruzControlUrBusiness 6364 (main module)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Classifieds 1782
>CruzControlUrBusiness_CMS 1664 (the system's content manager)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Communicator 2191 (internal team video and text
>messaging client)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Designer 1666 (report and screen designer)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Project_Manager 1766
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Writer 2240 (my attempt at a basic text editor
>based on TLF)
>CruzControlUrBusiness_GroupCalendar 1537
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Scheduler 1644
>
>For testing purposes they are distinct Flex applications but are meant
>to be used as components, mostly with the Project Manager module for
>internal information exchange as they're not meant to be full Blog,
>Forum, Wiki applications. The Wiki was also meant to be the help system.
>CruzControlBusiness_Blog 1740
>CruzControlBusiness_Forums 1742
>CruzControlUrBusiness_Wiki 1660
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com.INVALID]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 11:52 PM
>To: users@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Apache Royale Compiler
>
>Well, it is a quick search and replace if you already have code using
>FlexJS.
>
>Can you tell us more about your application? I think Harbs is mostly
>done with his migration so I think we have the bandwidth to "adopt"
>another migration effort. Your migration issues would be given priority.
> It would be like having extra team members.
>
>Technically, a main reason for Royale is to automate the conversion of
>your code from the more structured AS to the less structured JS.
>Manually porting the code is likely to have higher risk of hard-to-find
>problems.
>
>How many SWFs, about how large are the SWFs? Are you using any
>third-party libraries? Any particular components that are key to your
>application?
>
>Thanks,
>-Alex
>
>On 10/24/17, 12:48 PM, "Carlos Cruz" <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
>
>>Thx!! I appreciate the quick response. I have a huge Flex (flash
>>player) web application to convert, I have yet to decide which
>>direction to go, so I guess it's a good thing I haven't done too much
>>work with FlexJS.
>>
>>Thx!
>>Carlos
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com.INVALID]
>>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 11:11 PM
>>To: users@flex.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: Apache Royale Compiler
>>
>>Hi Carlos,
>>
>>Yes, there are probably changes required. Look for the word "flexjs"
>>and replace it with "royale". Then also look for occurrences of just
>>plain "flex" (especially in package names) and many of those will also
>>need replacing with "royale".
>>
>>HTH,
>>-Alex
>>
>>On 10/23/17, 6:01 PM, "Carlos Cruz" <ca...@nbtbizcapital.com> wrote:
>>
>>>To test the Royale compiler are any changes to the code required to
>>>apps targeting FlexJS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Thx!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>