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Posted to xindice-users@xml.apache.org by Tim O'Brien <to...@discursive.com> on 2004/10/03 22:49:47 UTC
RE: XINDICE Development Status
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:vadim@reverycodes.com]
> > In fact at the Xindice site, the last new is dated february 2003
> > (http://xml.apache.org/xindice/news.html) while the link to
> XML:DB api
> > (I know the are indipendent projects, but the two are
> linked somewhat)
> > is broken...
> >
> > Anybody can explain me whiere Xindice is going on?
>From what I can see, the support under Xindice seemed to disappear
around the same time dbXML version 2.0 was released. This isn't saying
anything bad about the dbXML people (I use dbXML now), it is simply
stating a fact.
http://www.xmldb.org lapsed, it seems to have been eaten up by one of
those mega-domain squatting organizations - this one is called
Euroserver.org Domains. I'd be interested in knowing who owned the
xmldb.org domain.
If you take a look at the mailing list traffic, you definitely get the
sense that the Xindice community has gone elsewhere.
Re: XINDICE Development Status
Posted by Neil Cook <nc...@acm.org>.
I have rarely entered these discussions but I want to second Murray.
We use it in our project. It fits our needs. Our only problem with
Xindice would be if it went away.
One way we really appreciate Xindice is that it supports XUpdate. XQuery
is a great XML database query language. However, I think it's first
version is about done and they only allowed for the possibility of data
modification. A version of XQuery with such a capability is surely a few
years away from release.
Cheers,
/Neil
Murray Altheim wrote:
> Tim O'Brien wrote:
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:vadim@reverycodes.com]
>>>
>>>> In fact at the Xindice site, the last new is dated february 2003
>>>> (http://xml.apache.org/xindice/news.html) while the link to
>>>
>>>
>>> XML:DB api
>>>
>>>> (I know the are indipendent projects, but the two are linked somewhat)
>>>
>>>
>>>> is broken...
>>>>
>>>> Anybody can explain me whiere Xindice is going on?
>>
>>
>>> From what I can see, the support under Xindice seemed to disappear
>>
>> around the same time dbXML version 2.0 was released. This isn't saying
>> anything bad about the dbXML people (I use dbXML now), it is simply
>> stating a fact.
>>
>> http://www.xmldb.org lapsed, it seems to have been eaten up by one of
>> those mega-domain squatting organizations - this one is called
>> Euroserver.org Domains. I'd be interested in knowing who owned the
>> xmldb.org domain.
>>
>> If you take a look at the mailing list traffic, you definitely get the
>> sense that the Xindice community has gone elsewhere.
>
>
> Tim,
>
> You're quite welcome to make all the assumptions you like, but the
> community might simply be quiet because we're either busy or have
> little to say right now. That doesn't mean that we've "gone elsewhere"
> or that we don't exist. The xmldb.org or dbXML mailing lists and/or
> domains are orthogonal to the success or failure of Xindice. For
> myself, I've been happily using Xindice 1.1 without any particular
> problem or need to chat. I'm usually in lurk mode.
>
> The traffic on a mailing list is a very poor indicator of the health
> of its associated community. Mailing list != real life, i.e., sometimes
> lists are noisy because they're filled with people who little else to
> do but chat away. Sometimes lists are quiet because their participants
> are very busy. There's really no way to tell from the outside. The
> Xerces mailing list is pretty quiet, but there are millions of people
> using Xerces daily (most likely don't even know it).
>
> As Vadim has repeatedly said, if you're interested in some features
> that Xindice doesn't have, or want to contribute in any way, you're
> always quite welcome to provide code or documentation. Communities
> exist via both interest and contributions.
>
> Murray
>
> ......................................................................
> Murray Altheim http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/
> Knowledge Media Institute
> The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK .
>
> Amazon.com: How important is this presidential election in the
> larger context of the Republic and its history?
> Ann Coulter: Insofar as the survival of the Republic is threatened
> by the election of John Kerry, I'd say 2004 is as big
> as it gets.
> Amazon.com: Is there one standout issue, and why does it make a
> difference? What are the most crucial issues?
> Ann Coulter: I repeat: The survival of the Republic is threatened by
> the election of John Kerry. I'd say that's the big one.
> ... Amazon.com: What would a Kerry administration mean?
> Ann Coulter: Quite possibly the destruction of the Republic.
>
> "Nasty Days are Here", Orcinus, by David Neiwert
>
> http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2004_09_26_dneiwert_archive.html#109651925861192967
>
>
Re: XINDICE Development Status
Posted by Murray Altheim <m....@open.ac.uk>.
Tim O'Brien wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:vadim@reverycodes.com]
>>
>>>In fact at the Xindice site, the last new is dated february 2003
>>>(http://xml.apache.org/xindice/news.html) while the link to
>>
>>XML:DB api
>>
>>>(I know the are indipendent projects, but the two are linked somewhat)
>>
>>>is broken...
>>>
>>>Anybody can explain me whiere Xindice is going on?
>
>>>From what I can see, the support under Xindice seemed to disappear
> around the same time dbXML version 2.0 was released. This isn't saying
> anything bad about the dbXML people (I use dbXML now), it is simply
> stating a fact.
>
> http://www.xmldb.org lapsed, it seems to have been eaten up by one of
> those mega-domain squatting organizations - this one is called
> Euroserver.org Domains. I'd be interested in knowing who owned the
> xmldb.org domain.
>
> If you take a look at the mailing list traffic, you definitely get the
> sense that the Xindice community has gone elsewhere.
Tim,
You're quite welcome to make all the assumptions you like, but the
community might simply be quiet because we're either busy or have
little to say right now. That doesn't mean that we've "gone elsewhere"
or that we don't exist. The xmldb.org or dbXML mailing lists and/or
domains are orthogonal to the success or failure of Xindice. For
myself, I've been happily using Xindice 1.1 without any particular
problem or need to chat. I'm usually in lurk mode.
The traffic on a mailing list is a very poor indicator of the health
of its associated community. Mailing list != real life, i.e., sometimes
lists are noisy because they're filled with people who little else to
do but chat away. Sometimes lists are quiet because their participants
are very busy. There's really no way to tell from the outside. The
Xerces mailing list is pretty quiet, but there are millions of people
using Xerces daily (most likely don't even know it).
As Vadim has repeatedly said, if you're interested in some features
that Xindice doesn't have, or want to contribute in any way, you're
always quite welcome to provide code or documentation. Communities
exist via both interest and contributions.
Murray
......................................................................
Murray Altheim http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/murray/
Knowledge Media Institute
The Open University, Milton Keynes, Bucks, MK7 6AA, UK .
Amazon.com: How important is this presidential election in the
larger context of the Republic and its history?
Ann Coulter: Insofar as the survival of the Republic is threatened
by the election of John Kerry, I'd say 2004 is as big
as it gets.
Amazon.com: Is there one standout issue, and why does it make a
difference? What are the most crucial issues?
Ann Coulter: I repeat: The survival of the Republic is threatened by
the election of John Kerry. I'd say that's the big one.
... Amazon.com: What would a Kerry administration mean?
Ann Coulter: Quite possibly the destruction of the Republic.
"Nasty Days are Here", Orcinus, by David Neiwert
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2004_09_26_dneiwert_archive.html#109651925861192967
Re: XINDICE Development Status
Posted by Shane Nuessler <sh...@anu.edu.au>.
Have a look at www.dbxml.com
Regards,
Shane.
Per Nyfelt wrote:
>AFAIK Tom Bradford owned the xmldb.org domain. He did not respond to any of my
>enquiries when the domin expired and it subsequently fell out of our (the
>XML:DB initiative) hands. The official link for the XML:DB initiative is now
>http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net. As you point out, the XML:DB initiative is
>currently also suffering from lack of resources and progress has stalled.
>
>Regards,
>Per
>
>söndagen den 3 oktober 2004 22.49 skrev Tim O'Brien:
>
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:vadim@reverycodes.com]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In fact at the Xindice site, the last new is dated february 2003
>>>>(http://xml.apache.org/xindice/news.html) while the link to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>XML:DB api
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>(I know the are indipendent projects, but the two are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>linked somewhat)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>is broken...
>>>>
>>>>Anybody can explain me whiere Xindice is going on?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>From what I can see, the support under Xindice seemed to disappear
>>around the same time dbXML version 2.0 was released. This isn't saying
>>anything bad about the dbXML people (I use dbXML now), it is simply
>>stating a fact.
>>
>>http://www.xmldb.org lapsed, it seems to have been eaten up by one of
>>those mega-domain squatting organizations - this one is called
>>Euroserver.org Domains. I'd be interested in knowing who owned the
>>xmldb.org domain.
>>
>>If you take a look at the mailing list traffic, you definitely get the
>>sense that the Xindice community has gone elsewhere.
>>
>>
Re: XINDICE Development Status
Posted by Per Nyfelt <pe...@resourcing.se>.
AFAIK Tom Bradford owned the xmldb.org domain. He did not respond to any of my
enquiries when the domin expired and it subsequently fell out of our (the
XML:DB initiative) hands. The official link for the XML:DB initiative is now
http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net. As you point out, the XML:DB initiative is
currently also suffering from lack of resources and progress has stalled.
Regards,
Per
söndagen den 3 oktober 2004 22.49 skrev Tim O'Brien:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vadim Gritsenko [mailto:vadim@reverycodes.com]
> >
> > > In fact at the Xindice site, the last new is dated february 2003
> > > (http://xml.apache.org/xindice/news.html) while the link to
> >
> > XML:DB api
> >
> > > (I know the are indipendent projects, but the two are
> >
> > linked somewhat)
> >
> > > is broken...
> > >
> > > Anybody can explain me whiere Xindice is going on?
>
> From what I can see, the support under Xindice seemed to disappear
> around the same time dbXML version 2.0 was released. This isn't saying
> anything bad about the dbXML people (I use dbXML now), it is simply
> stating a fact.
>
> http://www.xmldb.org lapsed, it seems to have been eaten up by one of
> those mega-domain squatting organizations - this one is called
> Euroserver.org Domains. I'd be interested in knowing who owned the
> xmldb.org domain.
>
> If you take a look at the mailing list traffic, you definitely get the
> sense that the Xindice community has gone elsewhere.