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Posted to l10n@openoffice.apache.org by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> on 2013/04/09 18:47:00 UTC
Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo 3.3.0
users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their language
is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
My proposed landing page is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
the languages that are more than 90% complete.
Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users who are using one of the
highlighted languages.
Regards,
-Rob
Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Keith N. McKenna <
meriodoc_brandybuck@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
>> 3.3.0
>> users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
>> language
>> is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
>>
>> My proposed landing page is here:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/**projects/untranslated.html<http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html>
>>
>> Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
>> the languages that are more than 90% complete.
>>
>> Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
>>
>> Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
>> via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users who are using one of the
>> highlighted languages.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> Rob;
>
> I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that Gujarati is actually 95%
> complete rather than 05% as on your proposed landing oage.;o)
>
>
Fixed. Thanks!
-Rob
> Regards
> Keith
>
Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <me...@yahoo.com>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo 3.3.0
> users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their language
> is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
>
> My proposed landing page is here:
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
>
> Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
> the languages that are more than 90% complete.
>
> Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
>
> Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
> via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users who are using one of the
> highlighted languages.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
Rob;
I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that Gujarati is actually 95%
complete rather than 05% as on your proposed landing oage.;o)
Regards
Keith
Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 12 April 2013 08:44, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/11/13 6:21 PM, janI wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 2013 11:23 AM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Another option is to put off the push for more languages. So with 4.0
> we
> >>> just work to update the languages we already have, but bring in
> > additional
> >>> languages later. This might be done as a "second edition" of 4.0, as
> we
> >>> did with the additional 3.4.1 languages.
> >>
> >>
> >> If we can have the new Pootle available (with no need to rush it of
> > course) we could consider to make the call for translators as soon as
> > Pootle is ready and the 4.0 files are uploaded.
> >
> > Honestly as being one of those who have actually tried 2.5, dont expect
> too
> > much, with our current setup there are very few differences. The
> > differences will be aperant (is that the right word?) when we have
> genLang
> > and svn automatic comit in place.
>
> I think the completely automated svn commit have to be discussed.
>
> Do we really want it? Or is it better to have a process where we
> reintegrate translation on demand or on a regular basis once per month
> or so.
>
I totally agree, that it have to be discussed, when we are ready for it. I
see a simple chain at the moment:
1) get translate-vm2 online with pottle 2.5rc1 and our 4.0 strings
2) get genLang integrated and tested for helpcontent2
3) get genLang integrated and tested for all modules
4) discuss svn-pottle-poedit workflow
5) make the scripts
so it will take some time before we need that discussion :-)
rgds
Jan I.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> The consolidation of PO files does not impact very much on the
> > translators' workflow and I agree it can wait until after 4.0.
> > Well not the workflow, but very well the motivation, it is quite
> different
> > if you look at checking/editing about 240 files or just 40.
> >
> > But since I cannot make the deadline, sorry for that,.
> >
> > rgd
> > Jan I
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrea.
> >>
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 4/11/13 6:21 PM, janI wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2013 11:23 AM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> Another option is to put off the push for more languages. So with 4.0 we
>>> just work to update the languages we already have, but bring in
> additional
>>> languages later. This might be done as a "second edition" of 4.0, as we
>>> did with the additional 3.4.1 languages.
>>
>>
>> If we can have the new Pootle available (with no need to rush it of
> course) we could consider to make the call for translators as soon as
> Pootle is ready and the 4.0 files are uploaded.
>
> Honestly as being one of those who have actually tried 2.5, dont expect too
> much, with our current setup there are very few differences. The
> differences will be aperant (is that the right word?) when we have genLang
> and svn automatic comit in place.
I think the completely automated svn commit have to be discussed.
Do we really want it? Or is it better to have a process where we
reintegrate translation on demand or on a regular basis once per month
or so.
Juergen
>
>>
>> The consolidation of PO files does not impact very much on the
> translators' workflow and I agree it can wait until after 4.0.
> Well not the workflow, but very well the motivation, it is quite different
> if you look at checking/editing about 240 files or just 40.
>
> But since I cannot make the deadline, sorry for that,.
>
> rgd
> Jan I
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On Apr 11, 2013 11:23 AM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> Another option is to put off the push for more languages. So with 4.0 we
>> just work to update the languages we already have, but bring in
additional
>> languages later. This might be done as a "second edition" of 4.0, as we
>> did with the additional 3.4.1 languages.
>
>
> If we can have the new Pootle available (with no need to rush it of
course) we could consider to make the call for translators as soon as
Pootle is ready and the 4.0 files are uploaded.
Honestly as being one of those who have actually tried 2.5, dont expect too
much, with our current setup there are very few differences. The
differences will be aperant (is that the right word?) when we have genLang
and svn automatic comit in place.
>
> The consolidation of PO files does not impact very much on the
translators' workflow and I agree it can wait until after 4.0.
Well not the workflow, but very well the motivation, it is quite different
if you look at checking/editing about 240 files or just 40.
But since I cannot make the deadline, sorry for that,.
rgd
Jan I
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> Another option is to put off the push for more languages. So with 4.0 we
> just work to update the languages we already have, but bring in additional
> languages later. This might be done as a "second edition" of 4.0, as we
> did with the additional 3.4.1 languages.
If we can have the new Pootle available (with no need to rush it of
course) we could consider to make the call for translators as soon as
Pootle is ready and the 4.0 files are uploaded.
The consolidation of PO files does not impact very much on the
translators' workflow and I agree it can wait until after 4.0.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 10 April 2013 13:15, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 10 April 2013 10:20, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/10/13 10:06 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > > > Rob Weir wrote:
> > > >> My proposed landing page is here:
> > > >> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > > >
> > > > The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is
> (I
> > > > don't have an answer).
> > > >
> > > > Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will
> see
> > > > the following l10n-relevant changes:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 -> OpenOffice 4.0
> > > >
> > > > 2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after
> > > > discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)
> > >
> > 10 days is cutting it a bit short, something like 2 weeks sounds better.
> I
> > have to get 2.5 installed, and the configuration of the current vm is not
> > as documented/straight forward as it could have been.
> >
> > > >
> > > > 3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)
> > >
> > There has been an offlist discussion, and consensus is that we need to
> test
> > this caredully once I think it works, therefore it will not be released
> for
> > 4.0
> >
> > We might releasee it for helpcontent2 (8 files instead of many), that
> > depends on my capability to dig out the last build system problems.
> >
> > >
> > > > 4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO
> files.
> > > > This is less visible for translators, anyway,
> > >
> > Same as 3.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major
> > > > workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the
> > > > order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it
> > makes
> > > > sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near
> > future)
> > > > we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a
> large
> > > > call for volunteers.
> > >
> > > I would avoid any bigger change in parallel to the 4.0 translation.
> Once
> > > we have the sidebar branch on trunk we should first check how big the
> > > changes are compared to 3.4.1
> > >
> > I agree, but only due to the time frame constrain. I think it would be
> > better to have the po file change in 4.0 where everybody expects changes
> > not backwards compatible, but that would problaly delay 4.0 a month.
> >
> >
>
> Another option is to put off the push for more languages. So with 4.0 we
> just work to update the languages we already have, but bring in additional
> languages later. This might be done as a "second edition" of 4.0, as we
> did with the additional 3.4.1 languages.
>
> +1
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
> > rgds
> > Jan I.
> >
> > >
> > > Juergen
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Andrea.
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/4/10 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 10 April 2013 10:20, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/10/13 10:06 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > > > Rob Weir wrote:
> > > >> My proposed landing page is here:
> > > >> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > > >
> > > > The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is
> (I
> > > > don't have an answer).
> > > >
> > > > Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will
> see
> > > > the following l10n-relevant changes:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 -> OpenOffice 4.0
> > > >
> > > > 2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after
> > > > discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)
> > >
> > 10 days is cutting it a bit short, something like 2 weeks sounds better.
> I
> > have to get 2.5 installed, and the configuration of the current vm is not
> > as documented/straight forward as it could have been.
> >
> > > >
> > > > 3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)
> > >
> > There has been an offlist discussion, and consensus is that we need to
> test
> > this caredully once I think it works, therefore it will not be released
> for
> > 4.0
> >
> > We might releasee it for helpcontent2 (8 files instead of many), that
> > depends on my capability to dig out the last build system problems.
> >
> > >
> > > > 4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO
> files.
> > > > This is less visible for translators, anyway,
> > >
> > Same as 3.
> >
> > > >
> > > > Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major
> > > > workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the
> > > > order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it
> > makes
> > > > sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near
> > future)
> > > > we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a
> large
> > > > call for volunteers.
> > >
> > > I would avoid any bigger change in parallel to the 4.0 translation.
> Once
> > > we have the sidebar branch on trunk we should first check how big the
> > > changes are compared to 3.4.1
> > >
> > I agree, but only due to the time frame constrain. I think it would be
> > better to have the po file change in 4.0 where everybody expects changes
> > not backwards compatible, but that would problaly delay 4.0 a month.
> >
> >
>
> Another option is to put off the push for more languages. So with 4.0 we
> just work to update the languages we already have, but bring in additional
> languages later. This might be done as a "second edition" of 4.0, as we
> did with the additional 3.4.1 languages.
>
+1
Regards
Ricardo
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
> > rgds
> > Jan I.
> >
> > >
> > > Juergen
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Andrea.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > >
> > >
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> > >
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 AM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 10 April 2013 10:20, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 4/10/13 10:06 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > > Rob Weir wrote:
> > >> My proposed landing page is here:
> > >> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > >
> > > The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is (I
> > > don't have an answer).
> > >
> > > Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will see
> > > the following l10n-relevant changes:
> > >
> > > 1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 -> OpenOffice 4.0
> > >
> > > 2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after
> > > discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)
> >
> 10 days is cutting it a bit short, something like 2 weeks sounds better. I
> have to get 2.5 installed, and the configuration of the current vm is not
> as documented/straight forward as it could have been.
>
> > >
> > > 3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)
> >
> There has been an offlist discussion, and consensus is that we need to test
> this caredully once I think it works, therefore it will not be released for
> 4.0
>
> We might releasee it for helpcontent2 (8 files instead of many), that
> depends on my capability to dig out the last build system problems.
>
> >
> > > 4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO files.
> > > This is less visible for translators, anyway,
> >
> Same as 3.
>
> > >
> > > Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major
> > > workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the
> > > order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it
> makes
> > > sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near
> future)
> > > we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a large
> > > call for volunteers.
> >
> > I would avoid any bigger change in parallel to the 4.0 translation. Once
> > we have the sidebar branch on trunk we should first check how big the
> > changes are compared to 3.4.1
> >
> I agree, but only due to the time frame constrain. I think it would be
> better to have the po file change in 4.0 where everybody expects changes
> not backwards compatible, but that would problaly delay 4.0 a month.
>
>
Another option is to put off the push for more languages. So with 4.0 we
just work to update the languages we already have, but bring in additional
languages later. This might be done as a "second edition" of 4.0, as we
did with the additional 3.4.1 languages.
-Rob
> rgds
> Jan I.
>
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andrea.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >
> >
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 10 April 2013 10:20, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/10/13 10:06 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > Rob Weir wrote:
> >> My proposed landing page is here:
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> >
> > The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is (I
> > don't have an answer).
> >
> > Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will see
> > the following l10n-relevant changes:
> >
> > 1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 -> OpenOffice 4.0
> >
> > 2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after
> > discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)
>
10 days is cutting it a bit short, something like 2 weeks sounds better. I
have to get 2.5 installed, and the configuration of the current vm is not
as documented/straight forward as it could have been.
> >
> > 3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)
>
There has been an offlist discussion, and consensus is that we need to test
this caredully once I think it works, therefore it will not be released for
4.0
We might releasee it for helpcontent2 (8 files instead of many), that
depends on my capability to dig out the last build system problems.
>
> > 4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO files.
> > This is less visible for translators, anyway,
>
Same as 3.
> >
> > Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major
> > workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the
> > order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it makes
> > sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near future)
> > we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a large
> > call for volunteers.
>
> I would avoid any bigger change in parallel to the 4.0 translation. Once
> we have the sidebar branch on trunk we should first check how big the
> changes are compared to 3.4.1
>
I agree, but only due to the time frame constrain. I think it would be
better to have the po file change in 4.0 where everybody expects changes
not backwards compatible, but that would problaly delay 4.0 a month.
rgds
Jan I.
>
> Juergen
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea.
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 4/10/13 10:06 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>> My proposed landing page is here:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
>
> The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is (I
> don't have an answer).
>
> Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will see
> the following l10n-relevant changes:
>
> 1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 -> OpenOffice 4.0
>
> 2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after
> discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)
>
> 3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)
>
> 4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO files.
> This is less visible for translators, anyway,
>
> Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major
> workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the
> order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it makes
> sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near future)
> we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a large
> call for volunteers.
I would avoid any bigger change in parallel to the 4.0 translation. Once
we have the sidebar branch on trunk we should first check how big the
changes are compared to 3.4.1
Juergen
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
>
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> My proposed landing page is here:
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is (I
don't have an answer).
Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will see
the following l10n-relevant changes:
1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 -> OpenOffice 4.0
2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after
discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)
3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)
4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO files.
This is less visible for translators, anyway,
Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major
workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the
order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it makes
sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near future)
we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a large
call for volunteers.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:10 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2013 7:05 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
> > > 3.3.0
> > > > users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
> > > language
> > > > is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
> > > >
> > > > My proposed landing page is here:
> > > > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > > >
> > > > Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I
> focused on
> > > > the languages that are more than 90% complete.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
> > > I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to
> a
> > > full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
> > >
> > >
> > I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
> > however they want. Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle. I
> don't
> > see anything for 4.0.
> >
> >
> > > you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0
> so
> > > no language is 100%.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
> > languages where we already have translators. My main focus here is to
> > reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful
> reaching
> > in other ways. We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
> > etc.
>
> hmmm as far as I know there are no danish translators, our long delay with
> 3.4.1 costed motivation.
>
>
Regardless, this page is for languages not supported in AOO 3.4.1. Thus
the opening paragraph mentioning that they are running an older version of
OpenOffice.org. We'll reach out to translators for Danish and other
languages already supported via other means. It will be far easier to
motivate existing translators familiar with the process than to onboard
someone who has never done this kind of thing before. So it does not make
sense to recruit for Danish via a universal appeal, at least not initially.
-Rob
> rgds
> jan i.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > > rgds
> > > jan i
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
> > > clients
> > > > via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users who are using one of
> the
> > > > highlighted languages.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > -Rob
> > >
>
Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On Apr 9, 2013 7:05 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
> > 3.3.0
> > > users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
> > language
> > > is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
> > >
> > > My proposed landing page is here:
> > > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> > >
> > > Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I
focused on
> > > the languages that are more than 90% complete.
> > >
> > > Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
> > I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
> > full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
> >
> >
> I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
> however they want. Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle. I
don't
> see anything for 4.0.
>
>
> > you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0
so
> > no language is 100%.
> >
>
>
> Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
> languages where we already have translators. My main focus here is to
> reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful reaching
> in other ways. We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
> etc.
hmmm as far as I know there are no danish translators, our long delay with
3.4.1 costed motivation.
rgds
jan i.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> > rgds
> > jan i
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
> > clients
> > > via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users who are using one of
the
> > > highlighted languages.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -Rob
> >
Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:00 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
> 3.3.0
> > users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
> language
> > is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
> >
> > My proposed landing page is here:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
> >
> > Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
> > the languages that are more than 90% complete.
> >
> > Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
> I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
> full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
>
>
I link to Pootle in the last paragraph, and the user can then sort it
however they want. Note that points to the 3.4 project in Pootle. I don't
see anything for 4.0.
> you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0 so
> no language is 100%.
>
Yes, but that will be a different communication via the L10n list, for
languages where we already have translators. My main focus here is to
reach out via new means to those who, we have not been successful reaching
in other ways. We'll need to try a few things, mailing list, blog post,
etc.
Regards,
-Rob
> rgds
> jan i
> >
> > Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to
> clients
> > via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users who are using one of the
> > highlighted languages.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
>
Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On Apr 9, 2013 6:47 PM, "Rob Weir" <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> We talked previously about putting out an update notification for OOo
3.3.0
> users, to make sure they are aware of AOO 3.4.1, and that if their
language
> is not yet translated, let them know how they can help.
>
> My proposed landing page is here:
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
>
> Since we don't have a lot of time remaining for translation, I focused on
> the languages that are more than 90% complete.
>
> Let me know if there are any needed changes to that page.
I like the page, but would it be possible to have link or something to a
full list of languages, and maybe sort the list.
you miss danish and german at least, remember we have new texts for 4.0 so
no language is 100%.
rgds
jan i
>
> Otherwise, I'd work with Oliver to get a link to this page sent to clients
> via an update notification, for OOo 3.3.0 users who are using one of the
> highlighted languages.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
Re: Call for AOO 4.0 translation volunteers via update notification
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> My proposed landing page is here:
> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/untranslated.html
The page and the strategy are good. I wonder what the best timing is (I
don't have an answer).
Between now and 4.0 (but possibly all within 10 days or so) we will see
the following l10n-relevant changes:
1) Strings to be translated: OpenOffice 3.4.1 -> OpenOffice 4.0
2) New Pootle server (which might offer good performance and, after
discussion, the possibility to register non-committers accounts)
3) Strings refactoring (40 PO files instead of 240)
4) New internal localization process, i.e., how we integrate PO files.
This is less visible for translators, anyway,
Starting the call immediately and then having at least three major
workflow changes would be problematic. So what I don't know is the
order/timeframe of actions 1-3. Can anyone make an estimate? If it makes
sense (i.e., if we have plans for major changes in the very near future)
we might want to do one or more of these actions before issuing a large
call for volunteers.
Regards,
Andrea.
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