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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@ish.com.au> on 2007/01/04 14:17:10 UTC
[VOTE] Cayenne web site
Hi Andrus - is this the right thing to post to the dev list?
----
Some time ago on the user list there was a discussion about
improvements to the Cayenne web site, and a new design. Over the
break, most of the remaining issues have been addressed and tests
performed on getting this to work with Confluence, between Bruce
Martin, Andrus and myself.
Please look at the following demo site:
http://www.brucemartin.net/cayenne/
Please note the following:
1. Cayenne has left incubator status and therefore the logo in the
top right will be replaced and the message at the bottom will be removed
2. The copy on the page and the menus to the left are not set in
stone and not the subject of this vote. They can be changed at any
time by Cayenne committers with the appropriate access rights to
Confluence.
3. The site will be deployed within the Atlassian Confluence wiki.
The demo site is purely static, since Confluence has no way to create
a test staging area. However we did testing with a secondary offline
copy of Confluence and it works as expected. There may be further
effort involved in getting the new stories to display as shown but
this needs to be done as part of the deployment process. You can see
the test staging area here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/auto-export/
CAYSCRATCH/ but note there are still some cosmetic problems there
which require clean up. But it works. The edit pages are here http://
wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence-scratch/ and will not be styled as
part of this work.
4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are located, and as
an existing paid customer of theirs, we've already made extensive use
of their support services.
I'd like to ask for votes on this design, remembering that the vote
is on the design and concept rather than specific menu structure.
I'll start with a non-binding +1 from me.
The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish and myself,
since the design has been created and implemented by a professional
web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction with my own copywriting
and design ideas as well as Andrus's guidance.
If we receive a positive vote outcome, then we will proceed to fix
the remaining cosmetic problems with the Confluence integration and
put the new site live.
Ari Maniatis
-------------------------->
ish
http://www.ish.com.au
Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:47 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Ari submitted signed scans of the CLA forms already via email, so
> we should be clear on that front as well (Jim do we accept those? I
> think we do)
>
These are logged and filed now.
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
[Let me forward this to the list, so that everybody is in the loop]
> Great. So, I think the thing we have to do next is to set up the
> auto-export plugin to export the CAY space to the new site folder.
> That is something you need to do since Bruce and I don't have the
> rights to do this I believe.
This raises an interesting question... Since wiki and the web site
are hosted on different machines, we may have to implement some
syncing mechanism to work around that. Let me check with Apache
infrastructure team.
> Can we export to /test in the web folder so that we can test it
> properly and iron out the bugs before it goes live?
>
> Am I right in thinking that there are three spaces: CAY, CAYDOC and
> CAYSCRATCH? What is the line between what goes into CAY and what
> goes into CAYDOC?
CAY is a *wiki* - I.e. collection of ad hoc information.
CAYDOC is a documentation set that is exported to static docs
included in release.
CAYSCRATCH is currently the site (we may call it CAYSITE or something
in production).
So how about this - while I am working on solving the infrastructure
related issues, we finalize the content in CAYSCRATCH. Once
everything is worked out on both ends, I'll migrate CAYSCRATCH space
to production CAYSITE.
Andrus
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
FYI: http://cayenne.apache.org was been created. For now I am
maintaining the old incubator site, but now we can go ahead and do
work for the new site, and publish it when it is ready.
Ari and others, let me know if you need my help on any of that.
Andrus
On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> So. let's tally the vote.
>
> +1 Ari Maniatis
> +1 Kevin Menard
> +1 Andrus Adamchik
> +1 Malcolm Edgar
> +1 Michael Gentry
>
> This is the case of lazy consensus, so we won't wait for 3 PMC
> votes and move ahead. Ari submitted signed scans of the CLA forms
> already via email, so we should be clear on that front as well (Jim
> do we accept those? I think we do)
>
> So once we replace the logo (and solve remaining design issues if
> any), I'll check in the auto-export confluence template (that also
> contains the menus) to SVN, so that we could apply it to our main
> space with CAY key, and update it as needed. From there we can
> start porting the contents.
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrus - is this the right thing to post to the dev list?
>>
>> ----
>>
>>
>>
>> Some time ago on the user list there was a discussion about
>> improvements to the Cayenne web site, and a new design. Over the
>> break, most of the remaining issues have been addressed and tests
>> performed on getting this to work with Confluence, between Bruce
>> Martin, Andrus and myself.
>>
>>
>> Please look at the following demo site:
>>
>> http://www.brucemartin.net/cayenne/
>>
>> Please note the following:
>>
>> 1. Cayenne has left incubator status and therefore the logo in the
>> top right will be replaced and the message at the bottom will be
>> removed
>> 2. The copy on the page and the menus to the left are not set in
>> stone and not the subject of this vote. They can be changed at any
>> time by Cayenne committers with the appropriate access rights to
>> Confluence.
>> 3. The site will be deployed within the Atlassian Confluence wiki.
>> The demo site is purely static, since Confluence has no way to
>> create a test staging area. However we did testing with a
>> secondary offline copy of Confluence and it works as expected.
>> There may be further effort involved in getting the new stories to
>> display as shown but this needs to be done as part of the
>> deployment process. You can see the test staging area here http://
>> wiki.objectstyle.org/auto-export/CAYSCRATCH/ but note there are
>> still some cosmetic problems there which require clean up. But it
>> works. The edit pages are here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/
>> confluence-scratch/ and will not be styled as part of this work.
>> 4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are located, and
>> as an existing paid customer of theirs, we've already made
>> extensive use of their support services.
>>
>> I'd like to ask for votes on this design, remembering that the
>> vote is on the design and concept rather than specific menu
>> structure.
>>
>> I'll start with a non-binding +1 from me.
>>
>>
>>
>> The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish and
>> myself, since the design has been created and implemented by a
>> professional web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction with my
>> own copywriting and design ideas as well as Andrus's guidance.
>>
>> If we receive a positive vote outcome, then we will proceed to fix
>> the remaining cosmetic problems with the Confluence integration
>> and put the new site live.
>>
>>
>> Ari Maniatis
>>
>>
>> -------------------------->
>> ish
>> http://www.ish.com.au
>> Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
>> phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:26 AM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> I think the steps are:
>
> 1. create all pages within Confluence
> 2. wait for DNS changes (since they affect the template) to be put
> in place
> 3. upload all the static images (css, png, etc) somewhere
> 4. put the new template live
Looks good to me. Also:
5. configure ".htaccess" in the site root to redirect to the export
directory. Let me check with Infra if we can export from cwiki to the
root directly.
> I am a little confused about the different spaces in confluence and
> what access right they each have. I saw a typo the other day I was
> going to fix, but then I think only committers have edit access to
> the main doc pages. Can this be loosened somewhat to encourage more
> people to contribute, or is there a requirement that the official
> documentation be given the same control as the source itself?
Access to the spaces has to be limited to those folks (not
necessarily committers) who signed a CLA. You did that already, so I
added you to the editor group.
Andrus
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@ish.com.au>.
On 09/01/2007, at 4:22 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Since different ppl. will be working on different things, I
> wouldn't hope much that we can do a coordinated site launch. Maybe
> we should create a scratch space at cwiki.apache.org (CAYSITE?),
> and start doing the content work pending the final design template
> and the infra issues below? Any volunteers to work on porting the
> static pages?
I think the steps are:
1. create all pages within Confluence
2. wait for DNS changes (since they affect the template) to be put in
place
3. upload all the static images (css, png, etc) somewhere
4. put the new template live
I am a little confused about the different spaces in confluence and
what access right they each have. I saw a typo the other day I was
going to fix, but then I think only committers have edit access to
the main doc pages. Can this be loosened somewhat to encourage more
people to contribute, or is there a requirement that the official
documentation be given the same control as the source itself?
Ari Maniatis
-------------------------->
ish
http://www.ish.com.au
Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Since different ppl. will be working on different things, I wouldn't
hope much that we can do a coordinated site launch. Maybe we should
create a scratch space at cwiki.apache.org (CAYSITE?), and start
doing the content work pending the final design template and the
infra issues below? Any volunteers to work on porting the static pages?
Andrus
On Jan 8, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> It might make sense to push a little bit on the following issues, too:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1079
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1081
>
> That way all of this can be taken care of all at once.
>
> --
> Kevin
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:48 AM
>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
>>
>> So. let's tally the vote.
>>
>> +1 Ari Maniatis
>> +1 Kevin Menard
>> +1 Andrus Adamchik
>> +1 Malcolm Edgar
>> +1 Michael Gentry
>>
>> This is the case of lazy consensus, so we won't wait for 3
>> PMC votes and move ahead. Ari submitted signed scans of the
>> CLA forms already via email, so we should be clear on that
>> front as well (Jim do we accept those? I think we do)
>>
>> So once we replace the logo (and solve remaining design
>> issues if any), I'll check in the auto-export confluence
>> template (that also contains the menus) to SVN, so that we
>> could apply it to our main space with CAY key, and update it
>> as needed. From there we can start porting the contents.
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrus - is this the right thing to post to the dev list?
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some time ago on the user list there was a discussion about
>>> improvements to the Cayenne web site, and a new design. Over the
>>> break, most of the remaining issues have been addressed and tests
>>> performed on getting this to work with Confluence, between Bruce
>>> Martin, Andrus and myself.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please look at the following demo site:
>>>
>>> http://www.brucemartin.net/cayenne/
>>>
>>> Please note the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Cayenne has left incubator status and therefore the logo
>> in the top
>>> right will be replaced and the message at the bottom will
>> be removed
>>> 2. The copy on the page and the menus to the left are not
>> set in stone
>>> and not the subject of this vote. They can be changed at
>> any time by
>>> Cayenne committers with the appropriate access rights to Confluence.
>>> 3. The site will be deployed within the Atlassian Confluence wiki.
>>> The demo site is purely static, since Confluence has no way
>> to create
>>> a test staging area. However we did testing with a
>> secondary offline
>>> copy of Confluence and it works as expected. There may be further
>>> effort involved in getting the new stories to display as shown but
>>> this needs to be done as part of the deployment process.
>>> You can see the test staging area here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/
>>> auto-export/CAYSCRATCH/ but note there are still some cosmetic
>>> problems there which require clean up. But it works. The edit pages
>>> are here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence-scratch/
>> and will not
>>> be styled as part of this work.
>>> 4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are
>> located, and as an
>>> existing paid customer of theirs, we've already made
>> extensive use of
>>> their support services.
>>>
>>> I'd like to ask for votes on this design, remembering that
>> the vote is
>>> on the design and concept rather than specific menu structure.
>>>
>>> I'll start with a non-binding +1 from me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish
>> and myself,
>>> since the design has been created and implemented by a professional
>>> web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction with my own
>> copywriting
>>> and design ideas as well as Andrus's guidance.
>>>
>>> If we receive a positive vote outcome, then we will proceed
>> to fix the
>>> remaining cosmetic problems with the Confluence integration and put
>>> the new site live.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ari Maniatis
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------->
>>> ish
>>> http://www.ish.com.au
>>> Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
>>> phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
>>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
RE: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
It might make sense to push a little bit on the following issues, too:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1079
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1081
That way all of this can be taken care of all at once.
--
Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:48 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
>
> So. let's tally the vote.
>
> +1 Ari Maniatis
> +1 Kevin Menard
> +1 Andrus Adamchik
> +1 Malcolm Edgar
> +1 Michael Gentry
>
> This is the case of lazy consensus, so we won't wait for 3
> PMC votes and move ahead. Ari submitted signed scans of the
> CLA forms already via email, so we should be clear on that
> front as well (Jim do we accept those? I think we do)
>
> So once we replace the logo (and solve remaining design
> issues if any), I'll check in the auto-export confluence
> template (that also contains the menus) to SVN, so that we
> could apply it to our main space with CAY key, and update it
> as needed. From there we can start porting the contents.
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>
> > Hi Andrus - is this the right thing to post to the dev list?
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
> >
> > Some time ago on the user list there was a discussion about
> > improvements to the Cayenne web site, and a new design. Over the
> > break, most of the remaining issues have been addressed and tests
> > performed on getting this to work with Confluence, between Bruce
> > Martin, Andrus and myself.
> >
> >
> > Please look at the following demo site:
> >
> > http://www.brucemartin.net/cayenne/
> >
> > Please note the following:
> >
> > 1. Cayenne has left incubator status and therefore the logo
> in the top
> > right will be replaced and the message at the bottom will
> be removed
> > 2. The copy on the page and the menus to the left are not
> set in stone
> > and not the subject of this vote. They can be changed at
> any time by
> > Cayenne committers with the appropriate access rights to Confluence.
> > 3. The site will be deployed within the Atlassian Confluence wiki.
> > The demo site is purely static, since Confluence has no way
> to create
> > a test staging area. However we did testing with a
> secondary offline
> > copy of Confluence and it works as expected. There may be further
> > effort involved in getting the new stories to display as shown but
> > this needs to be done as part of the deployment process.
> > You can see the test staging area here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/
> > auto-export/CAYSCRATCH/ but note there are still some cosmetic
> > problems there which require clean up. But it works. The edit pages
> > are here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence-scratch/
> and will not
> > be styled as part of this work.
> > 4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are
> located, and as an
> > existing paid customer of theirs, we've already made
> extensive use of
> > their support services.
> >
> > I'd like to ask for votes on this design, remembering that
> the vote is
> > on the design and concept rather than specific menu structure.
> >
> > I'll start with a non-binding +1 from me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish
> and myself,
> > since the design has been created and implemented by a professional
> > web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction with my own
> copywriting
> > and design ideas as well as Andrus's guidance.
> >
> > If we receive a positive vote outcome, then we will proceed
> to fix the
> > remaining cosmetic problems with the Confluence integration and put
> > the new site live.
> >
> >
> > Ari Maniatis
> >
> >
> > -------------------------->
> > ish
> > http://www.ish.com.au
> > Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
> > phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
> > GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
So. let's tally the vote.
+1 Ari Maniatis
+1 Kevin Menard
+1 Andrus Adamchik
+1 Malcolm Edgar
+1 Michael Gentry
This is the case of lazy consensus, so we won't wait for 3 PMC votes
and move ahead. Ari submitted signed scans of the CLA forms already
via email, so we should be clear on that front as well (Jim do we
accept those? I think we do)
So once we replace the logo (and solve remaining design issues if
any), I'll check in the auto-export confluence template (that also
contains the menus) to SVN, so that we could apply it to our main
space with CAY key, and update it as needed. From there we can start
porting the contents.
Andrus
On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
> Hi Andrus - is this the right thing to post to the dev list?
>
> ----
>
>
>
> Some time ago on the user list there was a discussion about
> improvements to the Cayenne web site, and a new design. Over the
> break, most of the remaining issues have been addressed and tests
> performed on getting this to work with Confluence, between Bruce
> Martin, Andrus and myself.
>
>
> Please look at the following demo site:
>
> http://www.brucemartin.net/cayenne/
>
> Please note the following:
>
> 1. Cayenne has left incubator status and therefore the logo in the
> top right will be replaced and the message at the bottom will be
> removed
> 2. The copy on the page and the menus to the left are not set in
> stone and not the subject of this vote. They can be changed at any
> time by Cayenne committers with the appropriate access rights to
> Confluence.
> 3. The site will be deployed within the Atlassian Confluence wiki.
> The demo site is purely static, since Confluence has no way to
> create a test staging area. However we did testing with a secondary
> offline copy of Confluence and it works as expected. There may be
> further effort involved in getting the new stories to display as
> shown but this needs to be done as part of the deployment process.
> You can see the test staging area here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/
> auto-export/CAYSCRATCH/ but note there are still some cosmetic
> problems there which require clean up. But it works. The edit pages
> are here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence-scratch/ and will
> not be styled as part of this work.
> 4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are located, and as
> an existing paid customer of theirs, we've already made extensive
> use of their support services.
>
> I'd like to ask for votes on this design, remembering that the vote
> is on the design and concept rather than specific menu structure.
>
> I'll start with a non-binding +1 from me.
>
>
>
> The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish and
> myself, since the design has been created and implemented by a
> professional web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction with my
> own copywriting and design ideas as well as Andrus's guidance.
>
> If we receive a positive vote outcome, then we will proceed to fix
> the remaining cosmetic problems with the Confluence integration and
> put the new site live.
>
>
> Ari Maniatis
>
>
> -------------------------->
> ish
> http://www.ish.com.au
> Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
> phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
Nice design by the way...
Yeah, there are some copy changes required, but the look is nice.
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
I think the basic layout, fonts, presentation, etc, are all really
nice. It is clean and modern and I think it would be a fantastic
start to a new web site (obviously, we'd still need to freshen the
content). The menus on the left even work great in Safari and are not
obnoxious (they are a good size, easy to navigate to and select, and
get out of the way when you move the mouse out of the cell). +1 to
using this after all the IP issues are resolved.
Also, the Cayenne logo on that page reminds me. Didn't we talk at
some point of updating the logo to mention Apache Cayenne? Or am I
just in need of more caffeine?
Thanks!
/dev/mrg
On 1/6/07, Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com> wrote:
> +1 from me as well. Any issues I originally had with the design seem to
> have been ironed out by Ari and Bruce via the user list.
>
> --
> Kevin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:35 AM
> > To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
> >
> > +1 from me.
> >
> > Aside from the IP issues that I am sure we will solve, the
> > design is great and I love the fact that we will switch to
> > Confluence for site updates. And yes, at this stage we are
> > voting whether to accept the design template. If and when we
> > do, we'll start the actual work setting up the confluence space.
> >
> > Thanks Bruce and Ari for the awesome work!
> >
> > Andrus
> >
>
RE: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
+1 from me as well. Any issues I originally had with the design seem to
have been ironed out by Ari and Bruce via the user list.
--
Kevin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:andrus@objectstyle.org]
> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:35 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
>
> +1 from me.
>
> Aside from the IP issues that I am sure we will solve, the
> design is great and I love the fact that we will switch to
> Confluence for site updates. And yes, at this stage we are
> voting whether to accept the design template. If and when we
> do, we'll start the actual work setting up the confluence space.
>
> Thanks Bruce and Ari for the awesome work!
>
> Andrus
>
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
+1 from me.
Aside from the IP issues that I am sure we will solve, the design is
great and I love the fact that we will switch to Confluence for site
updates. And yes, at this stage we are voting whether to accept the
design template. If and when we do, we'll start the actual work
setting up the confluence space.
Thanks Bruce and Ari for the awesome work!
Andrus
On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Aristedes Maniatis wrote:
>
> Some time ago on the user list there was a discussion about
> improvements to the Cayenne web site, and a new design. Over the
> break, most of the remaining issues have been addressed and tests
> performed on getting this to work with Confluence, between Bruce
> Martin, Andrus and myself.
>
>
> Please look at the following demo site:
>
> http://www.brucemartin.net/cayenne/
>
> Please note the following:
>
> 1. Cayenne has left incubator status and therefore the logo in the
> top right will be replaced and the message at the bottom will be
> removed
> 2. The copy on the page and the menus to the left are not set in
> stone and not the subject of this vote. They can be changed at any
> time by Cayenne committers with the appropriate access rights to
> Confluence.
> 3. The site will be deployed within the Atlassian Confluence wiki.
> The demo site is purely static, since Confluence has no way to
> create a test staging area. However we did testing with a secondary
> offline copy of Confluence and it works as expected. There may be
> further effort involved in getting the new stories to display as
> shown but this needs to be done as part of the deployment process.
> You can see the test staging area here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/
> auto-export/CAYSCRATCH/ but note there are still some cosmetic
> problems there which require clean up. But it works. The edit pages
> are here http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence-scratch/ and will
> not be styled as part of this work.
> 4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are located, and as
> an existing paid customer of theirs, we've already made extensive
> use of their support services.
>
> I'd like to ask for votes on this design, remembering that the vote
> is on the design and concept rather than specific menu structure.
>
> I'll start with a non-binding +1 from me.
>
>
>
> The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish and
> myself, since the design has been created and implemented by a
> professional web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction with my
> own copywriting and design ideas as well as Andrus's guidance.
>
> If we receive a positive vote outcome, then we will proceed to fix
> the remaining cosmetic problems with the Confluence integration and
> put the new site live.
>
>
> Ari Maniatis
>
>
> -------------------------->
> ish
> http://www.ish.com.au
> Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
> phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>
>> I imagine you are okay with assigning the copyright of this work
>> over to
>> the ASF?
>
> I just posted a question on legal-discuss. According to Jim
> Jagielski, we'll have to request a CCLA from ish who is the
> copyright owner of the design:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/
> 200701.mbox/%3cE02E968A-D496-4244-87EF-6A9968C6C134@jaguNET.com%3e
>
If the designer (Ari?) has an iCLA on file, then it's actually
not all that crucial to be honest...
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 on the web site design it looks really good, very clean and slick.
regards Malcolm Edgar
On 1/5/07, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> Hi Marie,
>
> AFAIK there is a known issue with hotmail that marks confirmation
> emails from the mailing list as spam. I am working on unsubscribing
> you manually. If you still keep getting the emails after a few days,
> email me directly. Sorry for the trouble.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Marie Goutière wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello everybondy
> >
> > Sorry to put this message in the conversation but I've got a
> > problem with the diffusion group.
> > In fact I'm not working on my Cayenne project for 7 monthes now and
> > I still receive your email.
> > I've sent a lot of email to quit but nothing seems to work.
> > So please could you remove me from the list?
> > Many thanks
> > Marie
> >
> >> From: Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
> >> Reply-To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
> >> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:27:12 +0200
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> >>
> >>> I imagine you are okay with assigning the copyright of this work
> >>> over to
> >>> the ASF?
> >>
> >> I just posted a question on legal-discuss. According to Jim
> >> Jagielski, we'll have to request a CCLA from ish who is the
> >> copyright owner of the design:
> >>
> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/
> >> 200701.mbox/%3cE02E968A-D496-4244-87EF-6A9968C6C134@jaguNET.com%3e
> >>
> >> Andrus
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://
> > www.windowslive.fr/livecom/
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Hi Marie,
AFAIK there is a known issue with hotmail that marks confirmation
emails from the mailing list as spam. I am working on unsubscribing
you manually. If you still keep getting the emails after a few days,
email me directly. Sorry for the trouble.
Andrus
On Jan 4, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Marie Goutière wrote:
>
> Hello everybondy
>
> Sorry to put this message in the conversation but I've got a
> problem with the diffusion group.
> In fact I'm not working on my Cayenne project for 7 monthes now and
> I still receive your email.
> I've sent a lot of email to quit but nothing seems to work.
> So please could you remove me from the list?
> Many thanks
> Marie
>
>> From: Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>> Reply-To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
>> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:27:12 +0200
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine you are okay with assigning the copyright of this work
>>> over to
>>> the ASF?
>>
>> I just posted a question on legal-discuss. According to Jim
>> Jagielski, we'll have to request a CCLA from ish who is the
>> copyright owner of the design:
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/
>> 200701.mbox/%3cE02E968A-D496-4244-87EF-6A9968C6C134@jaguNET.com%3e
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://
> www.windowslive.fr/livecom/
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Marie Goutière <sw...@hotmail.com>.
Hello everybondy
Sorry to put this message in the conversation but I've got a problem with
the diffusion group.
In fact I'm not working on my Cayenne project for 7 monthes now and I still
receive your email.
I've sent a lot of email to quit but nothing seems to work.
So please could you remove me from the list?
Many thanks
Marie
>From: Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>Reply-To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
>Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:27:12 +0200
>
>
>On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>
>>I imagine you are okay with assigning the copyright of this work over to
>>the ASF?
>
>I just posted a question on legal-discuss. According to Jim Jagielski,
>we'll have to request a CCLA from ish who is the copyright owner of the
>design:
>
>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/
>200701.mbox/%3cE02E968A-D496-4244-87EF-6A9968C6C134@jaguNET.com%3e
>
>Andrus
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com
http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Jan 4, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> I imagine you are okay with assigning the copyright of this work
> over to
> the ASF?
I just posted a question on legal-discuss. According to Jim
Jagielski, we'll have to request a CCLA from ish who is the copyright
owner of the design:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/
200701.mbox/%3cE02E968A-D496-4244-87EF-6A9968C6C134@jaguNET.com%3e
Andrus
Re: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@ish.com.au>.
On 05/01/2007, at 12:38 AM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>> 4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are located,
>> and as an existing paid customer of theirs, we've already
>> made extensive use of their support services.
>
> Is this pertinent in some way or just background info on how you
> ensured
> compatibility?
More background info than anything, but we may be needing their
services somewhat again to help nail some of the last issues.
> I'm not sure what the vote is about. A vote has to elicit an outcome
> and it's not clear from the proposed vote what the outcome is. I
> imagine you're raising a vote to use this new design as the layout for
> the Cayenne Web site.
Yes. I'd like to propose that this design be used for the site. That
is what the vote is for - I should have been clearer.
>> The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish and
>> myself, since the design has been created and implemented by
>> a professional web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction
>> with my own copywriting and design ideas as well as Andrus's
>> guidance.
>
> Thanks for your efforts. And while I'm at it, thanks to all those
> companies that have allowed their employees to work on Cayenne in some
> capacity.
>
> I imagine you are okay with assigning the copyright of this work
> over to
> the ASF? I know it sounds silly to ask, but I was actually involved
> with another project where a guy did something similar and he would
> only
> sign over copyright if his company name and logo were scattered
> throughout the site. Needless to say, we dropped his contribution.
Of course I'd ensure all copyright was assigned. My purpose in doing
this was to firstly to support a worthwhile project in the best way I
can (since I don't have the time or expertise to work on the code,
what I can do is support those who do) and secondly because my
business relies on Cayenne, then the strength of the project helps us.
I'm happy for this bit of design and html either be put into the
public domain or copyright assigned to Apache as appropriate.
Ari Maniatis
-------------------------->
ish
http://www.ish.com.au
Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
RE: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
Please see comments below.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aristedes Maniatis [mailto:ari@ish.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 8:17 AM
> To: cayenne-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [VOTE] Cayenne web site
> 4. Since ish is based in Sydney where Atlassian are located,
> and as an existing paid customer of theirs, we've already
> made extensive use of their support services.
Is this pertinent in some way or just background info on how you ensured
compatibility?
> I'd like to ask for votes on this design, remembering that
> the vote is on the design and concept rather than specific
> menu structure.
>
> I'll start with a non-binding +1 from me.
I'm not sure what the vote is about. A vote has to elicit an outcome
and it's not clear from the proposed vote what the outcome is. I
imagine you're raising a vote to use this new design as the layout for
the Cayenne Web site. Or are you just looking for overall consensus
over whether or not the current state of work looks useful to Cayenne
for a future project? Anyway, some clarification would help.
> The external costs of this work has been sponsored by ish and
> myself, since the design has been created and implemented by
> a professional web designer who I've engaged, in conjunction
> with my own copywriting and design ideas as well as Andrus's guidance.
Thanks for your efforts. And while I'm at it, thanks to all those
companies that have allowed their employees to work on Cayenne in some
capacity.
I imagine you are okay with assigning the copyright of this work over to
the ASF? I know it sounds silly to ask, but I was actually involved
with another project where a guy did something similar and he would only
sign over copyright if his company name and logo were scattered
throughout the site. Needless to say, we dropped his contribution.
--
Kevin