You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to dev@community.apache.org by jay vyas <ja...@gmail.com> on 2015/02/20 21:26:37 UTC
[IDEA] ASF "Certifications"
Hi apache. Just had a thought.
*** Should/Could the ASF have its own project managed develoepr
certification program (for "industry professionals") ? ***
In apache projects, like hadoop, for example, we see lots of certifications
come up, which are mostly a bunch of multiple choice questions, or a way to
get you to take their class, and so on.
- After all, we already have people qualified to be mentors, so nobody
would dispute the distinction of such a certification.
- I see alot of companies doing these certifications for apache projects
(i.e. like hadoop for example, but there are others). The programs seem to
be valuable both to consumers (learn new skills) and to companies (Spread
mindshare) alike.
*** example ***
On Apache BigTop, I think we could design a great big data certification,
which would help grow the project, increase commitership, and also increase
the back flow of collaboration from companies as well. I think alot of
other projects (for example, even the Apache HTTP server, Derby, CTakes,
and so on).
--
jay vyas
Re: [IDEA] ASF "Certifications"
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On Friday, February 20, 2015, jay vyas <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi apache. Just had a thought.
Not a bad thought, but having earned merit and be invited to be committer
on a project is exactly that "certification"in my pow at least.
Certification on how to use our projects, is better left to third party or
of course the individual projects.
just my 2ct.
jan i
>
>
> *** Should/Could the ASF have its own project managed develoepr
> certification program (for "industry professionals") ? ***
>
> In apache projects, like hadoop, for example, we see lots of certifications
> come up, which are mostly a bunch of multiple choice questions, or a way to
> get you to take their class, and so on.
>
> - After all, we already have people qualified to be mentors, so nobody
> would dispute the distinction of such a certification.
>
> - I see alot of companies doing these certifications for apache projects
> (i.e. like hadoop for example, but there are others). The programs seem to
> be valuable both to consumers (learn new skills) and to companies (Spread
> mindshare) alike.
>
> *** example ***
> On Apache BigTop, I think we could design a great big data certification,
> which would help grow the project, increase commitership, and also increase
> the back flow of collaboration from companies as well. I think alot of
> other projects (for example, even the Apache HTTP server, Derby, CTakes,
> and so on).
>
>
>
> --
> jay vyas
>
--
Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings.
Re: [IDEA] ASF "Certifications"
Posted by jay vyas <ja...@gmail.com>.
makes perfect sense. glad to know its been experimented with :)
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> +1 to What Rich says
>
> Community managed examinations are unlikely to be adequately maintained.
>
> However, someone making a living out of it whilst also respecting our
> marks helps to grow the community. We should leave that space open for
> people with the time and skills.
>
> Ross
>
> Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
> A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [IDEA] ASF "Certifications"
>
>
>
> On 02/20/2015 12:26 PM, jay vyas wrote:
> > Hi apache. Just had a thought.
> >
> >
> > *** Should/Could the ASF have its own project managed develoepr
> > certification program (for "industry professionals") ? ***
> >
> > In apache projects, like hadoop, for example, we see lots of
> > certifications come up, which are mostly a bunch of multiple choice
> > questions, or a way to get you to take their class, and so on.
> >
> > - After all, we already have people qualified to be mentors, so nobody
> > would dispute the distinction of such a certification.
> >
> > - I see alot of companies doing these certifications for apache
> > projects (i.e. like hadoop for example, but there are others). The
> > programs seem to be valuable both to consumers (learn new skills) and
> > to companies (Spread
> > mindshare) alike.
> >
> > *** example ***
> > On Apache BigTop, I think we could design a great big data
> > certification, which would help grow the project, increase
> > commitership, and also increase the back flow of collaboration from
> > companies as well. I think alot of other projects (for example, even
> > the Apache HTTP server, Derby, CTakes, and so on).
>
>
>
> Traditionally, the answer to this question is that the Foundation strongly
> encourages third-parties to build certification programs around Apache
> technologies, but that the Foundation itself doesn't want to get into that
> line of business.
>
> There have been efforts to have community-written tests, and they have all
> bombed. This seems like something that a motivated company is likely to
> have more success with.
>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ -
> @apachecon
>
--
jay vyas
RE: [IDEA] ASF "Certifications"
Posted by "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ro...@microsoft.com>.
+1 to What Rich says
Community managed examinations are unlikely to be adequately maintained.
However, someone making a living out of it whilst also respecting our marks helps to grow the community. We should leave that space open for people with the time and skills.
Ross
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 12:55 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: [IDEA] ASF "Certifications"
On 02/20/2015 12:26 PM, jay vyas wrote:
> Hi apache. Just had a thought.
>
>
> *** Should/Could the ASF have its own project managed develoepr
> certification program (for "industry professionals") ? ***
>
> In apache projects, like hadoop, for example, we see lots of
> certifications come up, which are mostly a bunch of multiple choice
> questions, or a way to get you to take their class, and so on.
>
> - After all, we already have people qualified to be mentors, so nobody
> would dispute the distinction of such a certification.
>
> - I see alot of companies doing these certifications for apache
> projects (i.e. like hadoop for example, but there are others). The
> programs seem to be valuable both to consumers (learn new skills) and
> to companies (Spread
> mindshare) alike.
>
> *** example ***
> On Apache BigTop, I think we could design a great big data
> certification, which would help grow the project, increase
> commitership, and also increase the back flow of collaboration from
> companies as well. I think alot of other projects (for example, even
> the Apache HTTP server, Derby, CTakes, and so on).
Traditionally, the answer to this question is that the Foundation strongly encourages third-parties to build certification programs around Apache technologies, but that the Foundation itself doesn't want to get into that line of business.
There have been efforts to have community-written tests, and they have all bombed. This seems like something that a motivated company is likely to have more success with.
--
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: [IDEA] ASF "Certifications"
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 02/20/2015 12:26 PM, jay vyas wrote:
> Hi apache. Just had a thought.
>
>
> *** Should/Could the ASF have its own project managed develoepr
> certification program (for "industry professionals") ? ***
>
> In apache projects, like hadoop, for example, we see lots of certifications
> come up, which are mostly a bunch of multiple choice questions, or a way to
> get you to take their class, and so on.
>
> - After all, we already have people qualified to be mentors, so nobody
> would dispute the distinction of such a certification.
>
> - I see alot of companies doing these certifications for apache projects
> (i.e. like hadoop for example, but there are others). The programs seem to
> be valuable both to consumers (learn new skills) and to companies (Spread
> mindshare) alike.
>
> *** example ***
> On Apache BigTop, I think we could design a great big data certification,
> which would help grow the project, increase commitership, and also increase
> the back flow of collaboration from companies as well. I think alot of
> other projects (for example, even the Apache HTTP server, Derby, CTakes,
> and so on).
Traditionally, the answer to this question is that the Foundation
strongly encourages third-parties to build certification programs around
Apache technologies, but that the Foundation itself doesn't want to get
into that line of business.
There have been efforts to have community-written tests, and they have
all bombed. This seems like something that a motivated company is likely
to have more success with.
--
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon