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Growth

Folks,

Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can  approve a
proposal is the incubator PMC.

thanks,
dims

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Re: Growth

Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 12/22/05, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> > On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
> >> about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can  approve a
> >> proposal is the incubator PMC.
>
> ++1
>
> > Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the
> > Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final say
> > on Incubation graduation.
>
> Having a no vote in what enters the incubator, but only on what leaves:
> 1) sets up the folks doing the work for burnout due to the possibly
> large numbers of projects in at any one time. Controlling throughput is
> important.

+1

> 2) sets up a larger number of projects for failure. If there is
> (hypothetically) some compelling reason that a project isn't going to be
> graduated, then isn't it better to be able to say that at the start,
> rather than waiting for a certain number of hoops to be jumped through?

+1

>
> Yes, absolutely, I believe the incubator should have a vote up front to
> approve what enters the incubator.

+1

- robert

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Re: Growth

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> 
> Yes, but we can't think of incubation failure as "failure" - that's  
> actually a successful outcome for the incubator, as it's doing its  
> job in that case.  Not everyone will want to work our way, not every  
> project will catch a diverse community interest, etc.  I'd prefer we  
> call it something else - like  "retired from incubation" or  
> something.   A job a long time ago taught me very well that you  
> should never be afraid to fail if you go at things with good  
> intentions and good effort.

I changed the section headings to be:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html

* Currently in incubation
* Graduated from incubation
* Retired from incubation

-David

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Re: Growth

Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Dec 22, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:

> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>> On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
>>> about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can  approve a
>>> proposal is the incubator PMC.
>
> ++1
>

I also agree, after some thought.

>> Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the  
>> Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final  
>> say on Incubation graduation.
>
> Having a no vote in what enters the incubator, but only on what  
> leaves:
> 1) sets up the folks doing the work for burnout due to the possibly  
> large numbers of projects in at any one time. Controlling  
> throughput is important.

My so-called "Denial of Service Attack" on the Incubator :)

> 2) sets up a larger number of projects for failure. If there is  
> (hypothetically) some compelling reason that a project isn't going  
> to be graduated, then isn't it better to be able to say that at the  
> start, rather than waiting for a certain number of hoops to be  
> jumped through?
>

Yes, but we can't think of incubation failure as "failure" - that's  
actually a successful outcome for the incubator, as it's doing its  
job in that case.  Not everyone will want to work our way, not every  
project will catch a diverse community interest, etc.  I'd prefer we  
call it something else - like  "retired from incubation" or  
something.   A job a long time ago taught me very well that you  
should never be afraid to fail if you go at things with good  
intentions and good effort.

geir


> Yes, absolutely, I believe the incubator should have a vote up  
> front to approve what enters the incubator.
>
> -- 
> Rich Bowen
> rbowen@rcbowen.com
>
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Re: Growth

Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> 
>> Folks,
>>
>> Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
>> about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can  approve a
>> proposal is the incubator PMC.

++1

> Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the 
> Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final say 
> on Incubation graduation.

Having a no vote in what enters the incubator, but only on what leaves:
1) sets up the folks doing the work for burnout due to the possibly 
large numbers of projects in at any one time. Controlling throughput is 
important.
2) sets up a larger number of projects for failure. If there is 
(hypothetically) some compelling reason that a project isn't going to be 
graduated, then isn't it better to be able to say that at the start, 
rather than waiting for a certain number of hoops to be jumped through?

Yes, absolutely, I believe the incubator should have a vote up front to 
approve what enters the incubator.

-- 
Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com

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Re: Growth

Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:

>Folks,
>
>Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
>about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can  approve a
>proposal is the incubator PMC.
>  
>

Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the 
Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final say 
on Incubation graduation.


Regards,
Alan




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