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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> on 2005/12/21 16:22:46 UTC
Growth
Folks,
Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can approve a
proposal is the incubator PMC.
thanks,
dims
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Re: Growth
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 12/22/05, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> > On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> >
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
> >> about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can approve a
> >> proposal is the incubator PMC.
>
> ++1
>
> > Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the
> > Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final say
> > on Incubation graduation.
>
> Having a no vote in what enters the incubator, but only on what leaves:
> 1) sets up the folks doing the work for burnout due to the possibly
> large numbers of projects in at any one time. Controlling throughput is
> important.
+1
> 2) sets up a larger number of projects for failure. If there is
> (hypothetically) some compelling reason that a project isn't going to be
> graduated, then isn't it better to be able to say that at the start,
> rather than waiting for a certain number of hoops to be jumped through?
+1
>
> Yes, absolutely, I believe the incubator should have a vote up front to
> approve what enters the incubator.
+1
- robert
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Re: Growth
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> Yes, but we can't think of incubation failure as "failure" - that's
> actually a successful outcome for the incubator, as it's doing its
> job in that case. Not everyone will want to work our way, not every
> project will catch a diverse community interest, etc. I'd prefer we
> call it something else - like "retired from incubation" or
> something. A job a long time ago taught me very well that you
> should never be afraid to fail if you go at things with good
> intentions and good effort.
I changed the section headings to be:
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html
* Currently in incubation
* Graduated from incubation
* Retired from incubation
-David
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Re: Growth
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Dec 22, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>> On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
>>> about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can approve a
>>> proposal is the incubator PMC.
>
> ++1
>
I also agree, after some thought.
>> Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the
>> Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final
>> say on Incubation graduation.
>
> Having a no vote in what enters the incubator, but only on what
> leaves:
> 1) sets up the folks doing the work for burnout due to the possibly
> large numbers of projects in at any one time. Controlling
> throughput is important.
My so-called "Denial of Service Attack" on the Incubator :)
> 2) sets up a larger number of projects for failure. If there is
> (hypothetically) some compelling reason that a project isn't going
> to be graduated, then isn't it better to be able to say that at the
> start, rather than waiting for a certain number of hoops to be
> jumped through?
>
Yes, but we can't think of incubation failure as "failure" - that's
actually a successful outcome for the incubator, as it's doing its
job in that case. Not everyone will want to work our way, not every
project will catch a diverse community interest, etc. I'd prefer we
call it something else - like "retired from incubation" or
something. A job a long time ago taught me very well that you
should never be afraid to fail if you go at things with good
intentions and good effort.
geir
> Yes, absolutely, I believe the incubator should have a vote up
> front to approve what enters the incubator.
>
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> rbowen@rcbowen.com
>
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Re: Growth
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
>> about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can approve a
>> proposal is the incubator PMC.
++1
> Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the
> Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final say
> on Incubation graduation.
Having a no vote in what enters the incubator, but only on what leaves:
1) sets up the folks doing the work for burnout due to the possibly
large numbers of projects in at any one time. Controlling throughput is
important.
2) sets up a larger number of projects for failure. If there is
(hypothetically) some compelling reason that a project isn't going to be
graduated, then isn't it better to be able to say that at the start,
rather than waiting for a certain number of hoops to be jumped through?
Yes, absolutely, I believe the incubator should have a vote up front to
approve what enters the incubator.
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Rich Bowen
rbowen@rcbowen.com
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Re: Growth
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On 12/21/2005 7:22 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>Folks,
>
>Right now any PMC can automatically ok projects into incubator. How
>about we change that rule? So that the only pmc that can approve a
>proposal is the incubator PMC.
>
>
Without putting too much thought into my response I think that the
Incubator PMC wields enough control given that they have the final say
on Incubation graduation.
Regards,
Alan
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