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Java Survey (finally a good one)
Hi all,
Many/most who know me are aware of my historical antipathy to surveys[1][2]
and, even when I've mentioned the value of filling in a Java survey just to
show NetBeans usage, my endorsement of a survey has never been wholehearted.
However, in this case, I can wholeheartedly endorse this survey because (1)
it is short, (2) it allows for multiple answers, i.e., you can state your
usage of more than one IDE or Java version, and (3) did I already say this,
it is short? Also, I'm one of the people who contributed to the questions
in this survey and it's as good as it gets, I believe.
Please spend 3 minutes (probably less) filling it in and let's have
NetBeans properly represented for once:
https://foojay.io/today/java-ecosystem-survey-2021/
Thanks,
Gj
[1]
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/adding-some-color-to-the-rebellabs-developer-productivity-report-2016
[2]
https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/redmonk-at-fosdem:-lies,-damned-lies,-and-statistics
Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Sean Carrick <se...@pekinsoft.com>.
Done...even though I am with you regarding surveys ;-)
-SC
On 2/15/21 8:32 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Many/most who know me are aware of my historical antipathy to surveys[1][2]
> and, even when I've mentioned the value of filling in a Java survey just to
> show NetBeans usage, my endorsement of a survey has never been wholehearted.
>
> However, in this case, I can wholeheartedly endorse this survey because (1)
> it is short, (2) it allows for multiple answers, i.e., you can state your
> usage of more than one IDE or Java version, and (3) did I already say this,
> it is short? Also, I'm one of the people who contributed to the questions
> in this survey and it's as good as it gets, I believe.
>
> Please spend 3 minutes (probably less) filling it in and let's have
> NetBeans properly represented for once:
>
> https://foojay.io/today/java-ecosystem-survey-2021/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> [1]
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/adding-some-color-to-the-rebellabs-developer-productivity-report-2016
>
> [2]
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/redmonk-at-fosdem:-lies,-damned-lies,-and-statistics
>
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 19:14, Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> OpenJ9 is the IBM option in the list, I believe.
Ah, OK, might have missed that then, sorry. Quite often use Adopt
with OpenJ9 for development, and for running NetBeans on.
Neil
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
OpenJ9 is the IBM option in the list, I believe.
Gj
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 19:54, Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 18:02, Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> > Well, AdoptOpenJDK and Eclipse Adoptium are two very different things,
> > e.g., the first is not TCK licensed and the second (probably) will be.
>
> Yes, I understand that, I just wasn't aware that there were releases
> yet? Also, the TCK aspect looks a lot less interesting if it takes
> OpenJ9 out of the mix, which incidentally may also be missing from the
> survey?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 18:02, Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Well, AdoptOpenJDK and Eclipse Adoptium are two very different things,
> e.g., the first is not TCK licensed and the second (probably) will be.
Yes, I understand that, I just wasn't aware that there were releases
yet? Also, the TCK aspect looks a lot less interesting if it takes
OpenJ9 out of the mix, which incidentally may also be missing from the
survey?
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Well, AdoptOpenJDK and Eclipse Adoptium are two very different things,
e.g., the first is not TCK licensed and the second (probably) will be.
Gj
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 6:48 PM Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 14:32, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Many/most who know me are aware of my historical antipathy to surveys
> > ... I can wholeheartedly endorse this survey because ... I'm one of the
> people who contributed to the questions
>
> :-D
>
> Well, I resisted my own antipathy and filled it in! The optional name
> at the end didn't seem to be optional here, though. And some of the
> JDK multiple choices seem limited to 3? Also curious to see adopt and
> adoptium.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 14:32, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> Many/most who know me are aware of my historical antipathy to surveys
> ... I can wholeheartedly endorse this survey because ... I'm one of the people who contributed to the questions
:-D
Well, I resisted my own antipathy and filled it in! The optional name
at the end didn't seem to be optional here, though. And some of the
JDK multiple choices seem limited to 3? Also curious to see adopt and
adoptium.
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Scott Palmer <sw...@gmail.com>.
Just some feedback... the survey page has issues when filling it out on an iPad in landscape mode. You can’t scroll and the Okay button renders on top of some of the choices. Changing to portrait mode seems to fix both issues.
Scott
> On Feb 15, 2021, at 9:32 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Many/most who know me are aware of my historical antipathy to surveys[1][2]
> and, even when I've mentioned the value of filling in a Java survey just to
> show NetBeans usage, my endorsement of a survey has never been wholehearted.
>
> However, in this case, I can wholeheartedly endorse this survey because (1)
> it is short, (2) it allows for multiple answers, i.e., you can state your
> usage of more than one IDE or Java version, and (3) did I already say this,
> it is short? Also, I'm one of the people who contributed to the questions
> in this survey and it's as good as it gets, I believe.
>
> Please spend 3 minutes (probably less) filling it in and let's have
> NetBeans properly represented for once:
>
> https://foojay.io/today/java-ecosystem-survey-2021/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> [1]
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/adding-some-color-to-the-rebellabs-developer-productivity-report-2016
>
> [2]
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/redmonk-at-fosdem:-lies,-damned-lies,-and-statistics
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Yes, there is an item for that though: "The Linux Distro’s bundled OpenJDK
package"
Gj
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 6:32 PM Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I've missed the "Ubuntu build of OpenJDK" choice, I guess there are many
> places where that's coming from the default repositories.
>
> On 2/15/21 6:32 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Many/most who know me are aware of my historical antipathy to
> surveys[1][2]
> > and, even when I've mentioned the value of filling in a Java survey just
> to
> > show NetBeans usage, my endorsement of a survey has never been
> wholehearted.
> >
> > However, in this case, I can wholeheartedly endorse this survey because
> (1)
> > it is short, (2) it allows for multiple answers, i.e., you can state your
> > usage of more than one IDE or Java version, and (3) did I already say
> this,
> > it is short? Also, I'm one of the people who contributed to the questions
> > in this survey and it's as good as it gets, I believe.
> >
> > Please spend 3 minutes (probably less) filling it in and let's have
> > NetBeans properly represented for once:
> >
> > https://foojay.io/today/java-ecosystem-survey-2021/
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/adding-some-color-to-the-rebellabs-developer-productivity-report-2016
> >
> > [2]
> >
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/redmonk-at-fosdem:-lies,-damned-lies,-and-statistics
> >
>
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Re: Java Survey (finally a good one)
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
I've missed the "Ubuntu build of OpenJDK" choice, I guess there are many
places where that's coming from the default repositories.
On 2/15/21 6:32 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Many/most who know me are aware of my historical antipathy to surveys[1][2]
> and, even when I've mentioned the value of filling in a Java survey just to
> show NetBeans usage, my endorsement of a survey has never been wholehearted.
>
> However, in this case, I can wholeheartedly endorse this survey because (1)
> it is short, (2) it allows for multiple answers, i.e., you can state your
> usage of more than one IDE or Java version, and (3) did I already say this,
> it is short? Also, I'm one of the people who contributed to the questions
> in this survey and it's as good as it gets, I believe.
>
> Please spend 3 minutes (probably less) filling it in and let's have
> NetBeans properly represented for once:
>
> https://foojay.io/today/java-ecosystem-survey-2021/
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> [1]
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/adding-some-color-to-the-rebellabs-developer-productivity-report-2016
>
> [2]
> https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/redmonk-at-fosdem:-lies,-damned-lies,-and-statistics
>
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