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[HttpComponents] web site
Folks,
I started putting together a web site for Jakarta HttpComponents and
porting the project object model from Maven 1 to Maven 2.
I also found the new APT (Almost Plain Text) format slightly easier for
writing documentation than xdoc.
http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-apt-format.html
I will be using APT for now unless someone complains. If someone feels
very strongly against APT or in favor of a different format, please make
your opinion known now.
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com>.
> The attachment apparently got stripped. Do not be shy and just commit
> the changes.
Patch committed.
Mike
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 22:16 -0500, Michael Becke wrote:
> Hi Oleg,
>
> I think this is a great start. Attached are a few changes I made to
> the goals-scope doc. Other than these wording mods I have a few
> comments:
>
Mike,
The attachment apparently got stripped. Do not be shy and just commit
the changes.
> - I think we should add a section/module for HttpClient. Even if we
> don't have an actual HttpClient based upon HttpComponents it would be
> good to keep the name there for context and to indicate future
> direction.
Agreed.
> - The goals and scope page is good summary of what's wrong with
> HttpClient, but it doesn't really feel like goals and scope. I
> suggest we should have a section on goals that talks about what's
> wrong with HttpClient (already have that), and then details more about
> how we're going to fix the problems in HttpComponents (we have some of
> that). As far as scope goes I'm not sure we need much. They key
> points are covered in our charter I think (i.e. HttpClient, tools, not
> competition for Tomcat).
>
Agreed. As soon as I pick up your changes I'll do some more work on the
goals page
Cheers,
Oleg
> Mike
>
> On 2/25/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > This is the first preview of the HttpComponents web site:
> >
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/index.html
> >
> > Please, take a quarter of an hour to review the content. Patches,
> > content contributions will be hugely appreciated. If you are not
> > familiar with Maven 2, feel free to submit stuff in plain text. I'll
> > happily do all the grunt work
> >
> > Roland,
> >
> > Would be able to write a short intro for the http-async module?
> >
> > Henri,
> > Is there already any documentation for norobots-rfc you may want to
> > publish on the HttpComponents site?
> >
> > Oleg
> >
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com>.
Hi Oleg,
I think this is a great start. Attached are a few changes I made to
the goals-scope doc. Other than these wording mods I have a few
comments:
- I think we should add a section/module for HttpClient. Even if we
don't have an actual HttpClient based upon HttpComponents it would be
good to keep the name there for context and to indicate future
direction.
- The goals and scope page is good summary of what's wrong with
HttpClient, but it doesn't really feel like goals and scope. I
suggest we should have a section on goals that talks about what's
wrong with HttpClient (already have that), and then details more about
how we're going to fix the problems in HttpComponents (we have some of
that). As far as scope goes I'm not sure we need much. They key
points are covered in our charter I think (i.e. HttpClient, tools, not
competition for Tomcat).
Mike
On 2/25/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> This is the first preview of the HttpComponents web site:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/index.html
>
> Please, take a quarter of an hour to review the content. Patches,
> content contributions will be hugely appreciated. If you are not
> familiar with Maven 2, feel free to submit stuff in plain text. I'll
> happily do all the grunt work
>
> Roland,
>
> Would be able to write a short intro for the http-async module?
>
> Henri,
> Is there already any documentation for norobots-rfc you may want to
> publish on the HttpComponents site?
>
> Oleg
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com>.
> My suggestion would be to keep the original page be, but do not provide
> a direct link to it from the front page. It would only be referenced by
> the Project Goals page and would at some point be completely removed
> when we no longer have to explain why we chose to rewrite HttpClient
Sounds good. I have checked in this change.
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2006-02-27 at 09:21 -0500, Michael Becke wrote:
> > This is certainly a more positive way of looking at things and a more
> > appropriate way to describe goals of the project. However, without some
> > contextual information (which we all know but others may not) the
> > rationale behind certain motives may not be entirely clear. Can we keep
> > the description of HttpClient 3.0 design limitations in some form? The
> > goals page could contain some references to this page providing
> > necessary context for the design decisions driving HttpComponents
> > development?
>
> I hear you. This was one of my concerns in rewording this section.
> Do you think we should create a new page that contains the criticism
> of HttpClient 3.0 or is there some way we can better include that
> content while still maintaining the "positive" wording of the goals
> page?
>
> Mike
>
My suggestion would be to keep the original page be, but do not provide
a direct link to it from the front page. It would only be referenced by
the Project Goals page and would at some point be completely removed
when we no longer have to explain why we chose to rewrite HttpClient
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com>.
> This is certainly a more positive way of looking at things and a more
> appropriate way to describe goals of the project. However, without some
> contextual information (which we all know but others may not) the
> rationale behind certain motives may not be entirely clear. Can we keep
> the description of HttpClient 3.0 design limitations in some form? The
> goals page could contain some references to this page providing
> necessary context for the design decisions driving HttpComponents
> development?
I hear you. This was one of my concerns in rewording this section.
Do you think we should create a new page that contains the criticism
of HttpClient 3.0 or is there some way we can better include that
content while still maintaining the "positive" wording of the goals
page?
Mike
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 22:28 -0500, Michael Becke wrote:
> I have checked in a first try at reworking the goals and scope page.
> Please let me know what you think and feel free to make any changes.
>
> Mike
>
Hi Mike,
This is certainly a more positive way of looking at things and a more
appropriate way to describe goals of the project. However, without some
contextual information (which we all know but others may not) the
rationale behind certain motives may not be entirely clear. Can we keep
the description of HttpClient 3.0 design limitations in some form? The
goals page could contain some references to this page providing
necessary context for the design decisions driving HttpComponents
development?
Oleg
> On 2/26/06, Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2/26/06, Roland Weber <ht...@dubioso.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I also think we should have dummies for the other planned modules, in
> > > particular HttpCookie and HttpAuth. It will help people to understand
> > > which features are *not* to be expected in HttpCore.
> >
> > Yes, good idea. Might as well lay it all out and fill in when things are ready.
> >
> > > Regarding goals and scopes, I divert from Mike's suggestion. Instead
> > > of having a section that talks about HttpClient deficiencies and then
> > > adds details on how we want to address them, I would prefer to
> > > state goals and then add details about the HttpClient deficiencies
> > > from which these goals are derived. Simply reversing the headlines
> > > of the current page would already help:
> > >
> > > [Componentized Design]
> > > [Cleanly structured API]
> > > [Minimal external dependencies]
> >
> > Yep, I like this better. I'll take a crack at it this afternoon if no
> > one beats me to it.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com>.
I have checked in a first try at reworking the goals and scope page.
Please let me know what you think and feel free to make any changes.
Mike
On 2/26/06, Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/26/06, Roland Weber <ht...@dubioso.net> wrote:
>
> > I also think we should have dummies for the other planned modules, in
> > particular HttpCookie and HttpAuth. It will help people to understand
> > which features are *not* to be expected in HttpCore.
>
> Yes, good idea. Might as well lay it all out and fill in when things are ready.
>
> > Regarding goals and scopes, I divert from Mike's suggestion. Instead
> > of having a section that talks about HttpClient deficiencies and then
> > adds details on how we want to address them, I would prefer to
> > state goals and then add details about the HttpClient deficiencies
> > from which these goals are derived. Simply reversing the headlines
> > of the current page would already help:
> >
> > [Componentized Design]
> > [Cleanly structured API]
> > [Minimal external dependencies]
>
> Yep, I like this better. I'll take a crack at it this afternoon if no
> one beats me to it.
>
> Mike
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com>.
On 2/26/06, Roland Weber <ht...@dubioso.net> wrote:
> I also think we should have dummies for the other planned modules, in
> particular HttpCookie and HttpAuth. It will help people to understand
> which features are *not* to be expected in HttpCore.
Yes, good idea. Might as well lay it all out and fill in when things are ready.
> Regarding goals and scopes, I divert from Mike's suggestion. Instead
> of having a section that talks about HttpClient deficiencies and then
> adds details on how we want to address them, I would prefer to
> state goals and then add details about the HttpClient deficiencies
> from which these goals are derived. Simply reversing the headlines
> of the current page would already help:
>
> [Componentized Design]
> [Cleanly structured API]
> [Minimal external dependencies]
Yep, I like this better. I'll take a crack at it this afternoon if no
one beats me to it.
Mike
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Roland Weber <ht...@dubioso.net>.
Hi Oleg,
good start indeed. Some minor suggestions:
[Description -> Standards Compliance]
I would rephrase the sentence as "HttpComponents strives to conform to...".
Never promise more than you can deliver :-)
In the menu for both modules, can you add a link to the main page
for HttpComponents? There is one to the right of the status line
(which doesn't work in the preview), but that is not where I would
normally look for it. Our current page also has a "Home" link that
takes you to the commons main page as the top item in the menu.
[HttpAsync -> Description -> Overview]
The HttpAsync component provides an asynchronous interface for
client side HTTP communication, which seperates the sending of a
request from the receiving of the response. This simplifies
development of multithreaded HTTP applications and allows for
new features such as pipelining.
I agree with Mike that we should have a dummy module for HttpClient.
I also think we should have dummies for the other planned modules, in
particular HttpCookie and HttpAuth. It will help people to understand
which features are *not* to be expected in HttpCore.
Regarding goals and scopes, I divert from Mike's suggestion. Instead
of having a section that talks about HttpClient deficiencies and then
adds details on how we want to address them, I would prefer to
state goals and then add details about the HttpClient deficiencies
from which these goals are derived. Simply reversing the headlines
of the current page would already help:
[Componentized Design]
[Cleanly structured API]
[Minimal external dependencies]
instead of
[Monolithic design of Commons HttpClient]
[Inherent API deficiencies]
[External dependencies]
cheers,
Roland
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
Folks,
This is the first preview of the HttpComponents web site:
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/index.html
Please, take a quarter of an hour to review the content. Patches,
content contributions will be hugely appreciated. If you are not
familiar with Maven 2, feel free to submit stuff in plain text. I'll
happily do all the grunt work
Roland,
Would be able to write a short intro for the http-async module?
Henri,
Is there already any documentation for norobots-rfc you may want to
publish on the HttpComponents site?
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
Folks,
I also want to start migrating the following resources off Wiki to SVN.
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-httpclient/HttpComponentsSiteMockup
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-httpclient/HttpComponentsProjectRoadmap
I have not gotten a lot of feedback for them, but since no one
complained either, I assume the content is more or less okay.
At some point someone will have to proof-read my Ruslish, though
Oleg
On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 13:32 -0500, Michael Becke wrote:
> I haven't tried it yet, but I'm not partiularly tied to XDOC so it
> sounds good to me.
>
> Mike
>
> On 2/19/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I started putting together a web site for Jakarta HttpComponents and
> > porting the project object model from Maven 1 to Maven 2.
> >
> > I also found the new APT (Almost Plain Text) format slightly easier for
> > writing documentation than xdoc.
> >
> > http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-apt-format.html
> >
> > I will be using APT for now unless someone complains. If someone feels
> > very strongly against APT or in favor of a different format, please make
> > your opinion known now.
> >
> > Oleg
> >
> >
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Michael Becke <mb...@gmail.com>.
I haven't tried it yet, but I'm not partiularly tied to XDOC so it
sounds good to me.
Mike
On 2/19/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I started putting together a web site for Jakarta HttpComponents and
> porting the project object model from Maven 1 to Maven 2.
>
> I also found the new APT (Almost Plain Text) format slightly easier for
> writing documentation than xdoc.
>
> http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-apt-format.html
>
> I will be using APT for now unless someone complains. If someone feels
> very strongly against APT or in favor of a different format, please make
> your opinion known now.
>
> Oleg
>
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 4)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 17:57 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
> I am missing a "Download" link :-)
As soon as there's something to download. Let's cut a release first
Oleg
>
> Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I just updated and redeployed the preview of the HttpComponents web
> > site.
> >
> > Changelog:
> > * Link to the project Wiki per Roland's request
> > * HttpCore module now includes javadoc, source cross-reference and
> > clover (test coverage) reports
> >
> > The preview can be found at the usual location
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> >
> > Please let me know if you think something major is still missing.
> > Otherwise, provided I hear no complaints I would like to go ahead and
> > deploy the site to the official Jakarta repository
> >
> > Oleg
> >
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 4)
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
I am missing a "Download" link :-)
Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I just updated and redeployed the preview of the HttpComponents web
> site.
>
> Changelog:
> * Link to the project Wiki per Roland's request
> * HttpCore module now includes javadoc, source cross-reference and
> clover (test coverage) reports
>
> The preview can be found at the usual location
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
>
> Please let me know if you think something major is still missing.
> Otherwise, provided I hear no complaints I would like to go ahead and
> deploy the site to the official Jakarta repository
>
> Oleg
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 6)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 01:03 +0000, sebb wrote:
> On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 21:13 +0000, sebb wrote:
> > > On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > A little gremlin seems to have attacked the Cookies page:
> > >
> > > Netscate
> > >
> >
> > Fixed
> >
>
> The gremlin seems to have come back ...
>
It's been really fixed in SVN. I just did not regenerate the site prior
to deploying to the remote repository
> > > > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> > > >
> > >
> > > Generally it looks very good, and seems to be easy to navigate.
> > >
> > > Just noticed something a bit strange - the HttpCore and HttpAsynch
> > > module pages have a left navigation bar with a "Home" link, but the
> > > other modules don't. Not sure whether this is intentional or not.
> > >
> >
> > This is because only HttpCore and HttpAsync are full-fledged Maven
> > sub-projects with a corresponding pom.xml. All others are merely
> > placeholders. They will get populated as we go along.
>
> OK
>
> > > The naming of the modules makes their purpose fairly clear, but it
> > > might still be useful to have a brief summary of each on the front
> > > page.
> > >
> >
> > Done
>
> Looks good.
>
> Just thought - people might want to know if HttpURLConnection is supported.
> Might be worth saying whether that is planned or not.
>
I personally do not intend to work on a HttpURLConnection implementation
based on HttpCore. There are way more important things that require a
lot of work: unfinished Cookie2 spec, HttpNIO, Commons HttpClient 3.1.
If someone came forward and contributed this code I believe we would
happily accept it, though
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 6)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 21:13 +0000, sebb wrote:
> > On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > A little gremlin seems to have attacked the Cookies page:
> >
> > Netscate
> >
>
> Fixed
>
The gremlin seems to have come back ...
> > > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> > >
> >
> > Generally it looks very good, and seems to be easy to navigate.
> >
> > Just noticed something a bit strange - the HttpCore and HttpAsynch
> > module pages have a left navigation bar with a "Home" link, but the
> > other modules don't. Not sure whether this is intentional or not.
> >
>
> This is because only HttpCore and HttpAsync are full-fledged Maven
> sub-projects with a corresponding pom.xml. All others are merely
> placeholders. They will get populated as we go along.
OK
> > The naming of the modules makes their purpose fairly clear, but it
> > might still be useful to have a brief summary of each on the front
> > page.
> >
>
> Done
Looks good.
Just thought - people might want to know if HttpURLConnection is supported.
Might be worth saying whether that is planned or not.
S.
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 7)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 09:26 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
> I think references to HttpClient 3 should be linked to the current website.
>
There's a reference to Commons HttpClient on the front page now. Please
check it out:
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 6)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 09:26 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
> I think references to HttpClient 3 should be linked to the current website.
>
Will do
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 6)
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
I think references to HttpClient 3 should be linked to the current website.
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 6)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 21:13 +0000, sebb wrote:
> On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
...
> A little gremlin seems to have attacked the Cookies page:
>
> Netscate
>
Fixed
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> >
>
> Generally it looks very good, and seems to be easy to navigate.
>
> Just noticed something a bit strange - the HttpCore and HttpAsynch
> module pages have a left navigation bar with a "Home" link, but the
> other modules don't. Not sure whether this is intentional or not.
>
This is because only HttpCore and HttpAsync are full-fledged Maven
sub-projects with a corresponding pom.xml. All others are merely
placeholders. They will get populated as we go along.
> The naming of the modules makes their purpose fairly clear, but it
> might still be useful to have a brief summary of each on the front
> page.
>
Done
> It would be nice if the Wiki link indicated that it was an "external" link.
>
Done
> Sorry if these seem picky ... feel free to ignore!
>
> S.
>
Please review
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
Cheers,
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 5)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 17:10 +0000, sebb wrote:
> > On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I just updated and redeployed the preview of the HttpComponents web
> > > site.
> > >
> > > Changelog:
> > > * Link to the project Wiki per Roland's request
> > > * HttpCore module now includes javadoc, source cross-reference and
> > > clover (test coverage) reports
> > >
> > > The preview can be found at the usual location
> > > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you think something major is still missing.
> >
>
> Many thanks, Sebastian
>
> > Not major, but:
> >
> > How about linking the Netscape Cookie spec to the front page?
> >
>
> Done.
>
> >
> > ==
> >
> > A few minor layout issues:
> >
> > There's an unexpected change of font size on the pages:
> >
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/charter.html
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/goals.html
> >
> > It looks like the style for bullet points has a larger font size than
> > the main text.
> >
>
> Fixed
Looks much better now.
>
> > The link at the bottom of the page:
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/http-core/issue-tracking.html
> >
> > works, but I'm not sure it helps to have it displayed in full...
> >
>
> I cant help it. This is the way Maven end up generating the page.
>
Yuk!
I guess/hope that will be fixed by Maven one day...
> Please review
A little gremlin seems to have attacked the Cookies page:
Netscate
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
>
Generally it looks very good, and seems to be easy to navigate.
Just noticed something a bit strange - the HttpCore and HttpAsynch
module pages have a left navigation bar with a "Home" link, but the
other modules don't. Not sure whether this is intentional or not.
The naming of the modules makes their purpose fairly clear, but it
might still be useful to have a brief summary of each on the front
page.
It would be nice if the Wiki link indicated that it was an "external" link.
Sorry if these seem picky ... feel free to ignore!
S.
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 5)
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
Bindul Bhowmik wrote:
> Few very very minor cosmetic issues:
> Most Jakarta projects' web site headers have both the Jakarta Logo and
> the Project logo. But the HttpComponents website just has the Jakarta
> Logo.
Don't dispair. The designer is working on the logo. I hope to post it
for review next week.
Odi
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 5)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 00:56 +0530, Bindul Bhowmik wrote:
> Hello Oleg,
>
Hello, Bindul
...
> Few very very minor cosmetic issues:
> Most Jakarta projects' web site headers have both the Jakarta Logo and
> the Project logo. But the HttpComponents website just has the Jakarta
> Logo.
>
We simply do not have a logo yet.
> In the main navigation bar, 'Project charter' and 'Project goals'
> might look better as 'Project Charter' and 'Project Goals' keeping in
> line with 'Project Info' (capitalized first character of second word).
>
Done.
> In the Project Charter page, in the fourth bullet of the Project scope
> '(formerly Jakarta Commons HttpClient )' has a space before the
> closing brace. This causes the closing brace to appear in the next
> line in some displays (It does in mine - Firefox, screen resolution
> 1024x768)
>
Fixed.
> In the Project Charter page, under 'Targeted specifications and
> standards', 'http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/norobots-rfc.html' might look
> good hyperlinked.
>
This is a verbatim copy of the project charter as approved by the
Jakarta PMC, so I think we should keep it in sync with the original
> I understand that the different 'modules' are maven projects
> themselves. But do we want to keep separate 'Project Info' pages for
> each of them? Right now each of the 'Project Info' pages (Issue
> Tracking, Mail List, etc.) are actually different pages for each
> module and also the HttpComponent.
>
Some of them do make sense on a per module basis: dependencies, issue
tracking, source repository. Some certainly do not, project team for
instance, but Maven appears really bent on adding them nonetheless
> Related, although 'Project Reports' makes sense when they appear
> separately for each module. As a user, I might want to see some
> consolidated reports such as javadocs, etc.
>
Consolidated javadoc is definitely a good idea. As soon as we have
another module in ALPHA quality (besides HttpCore), I will try to come
up with something like that
> The archives links for the mailing lists points to the mbox archives
> on Apache servers, which might be the official archives. But, would it
> make sense if we pointed the archives links to mail-archive.com or
> marc.theaimsgroup.com or some such else?
>
I added both mail-archive.com and marc.theaimsgroup.com to the project's
pom.xml as additional archives, but this had no effect on the HTML
content generated by Maven. No idea why.
> The Wiki still says HttpClient Wiki. Are we planning to rename it or
> use a new page as the HttpComponents FrontPage?
>
Lots of things need renaming: project name in Bugzilla, mailing lists,
wiki. We'll tackle it as go along.
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> >
> > Oleg
>
> I was working on checking some site's user friendliness in my day job,
> so these might have stuck on me. I am still looking at the site and
> will post anything else I find.
>
Any extra cycles spent on HttpComponents will be hugely appreciated.
Cheers,
Oleg
> Hope this helps,
> Bindul
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 5)
Posted by Bindul Bhowmik <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hello Oleg,
Was lurking on the list for sometime. Should congratulate you on the
great work with the site.
On 3/8/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 17:10 +0000, sebb wrote:
> > On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > I just updated and redeployed the preview of the HttpComponents web
> > > site.
> > >
> > > Changelog:
> > > * Link to the project Wiki per Roland's request
> > > * HttpCore module now includes javadoc, source cross-reference and
> > > clover (test coverage) reports
> > >
> > > The preview can be found at the usual location
> > > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you think something major is still missing.
> >
>
> Many thanks, Sebastian
>
> > Not major, but:
> >
> > How about linking the Netscape Cookie spec to the front page?
> >
>
> Done.
>
> >
> > ==
> >
> > A few minor layout issues:
> >
> > There's an unexpected change of font size on the pages:
> >
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/charter.html
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/goals.html
> >
> > It looks like the style for bullet points has a larger font size than
> > the main text.
> >
>
> Fixed
>
>
> > The link at the bottom of the page:
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/http-core/issue-tracking.html
> >
> > works, but I'm not sure it helps to have it displayed in full...
> >
>
> I cant help it. This is the way Maven end up generating the page.
>
> Please review
Few very very minor cosmetic issues:
Most Jakarta projects' web site headers have both the Jakarta Logo and
the Project logo. But the HttpComponents website just has the Jakarta
Logo.
In the main navigation bar, 'Project charter' and 'Project goals'
might look better as 'Project Charter' and 'Project Goals' keeping in
line with 'Project Info' (capitalized first character of second word).
In the Project Charter page, in the fourth bullet of the Project scope
'(formerly Jakarta Commons HttpClient )' has a space before the
closing brace. This causes the closing brace to appear in the next
line in some displays (It does in mine - Firefox, screen resolution
1024x768)
In the Project Charter page, under 'Targeted specifications and
standards', 'http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/norobots-rfc.html' might look
good hyperlinked.
I understand that the different 'modules' are maven projects
themselves. But do we want to keep separate 'Project Info' pages for
each of them? Right now each of the 'Project Info' pages (Issue
Tracking, Mail List, etc.) are actually different pages for each
module and also the HttpComponent.
Related, although 'Project Reports' makes sense when they appear
separately for each module. As a user, I might want to see some
consolidated reports such as javadocs, etc.
The archives links for the mailing lists points to the mbox archives
on Apache servers, which might be the official archives. But, would it
make sense if we pointed the archives links to mail-archive.com or
marc.theaimsgroup.com or some such else?
The Wiki still says HttpClient Wiki. Are we planning to rename it or
use a new page as the HttpComponents FrontPage?
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
>
> Oleg
I was working on checking some site's user friendliness in my day job,
so these might have stuck on me. I am still looking at the site and
will post anything else I find.
Hope this helps,
Bindul
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 5)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 17:10 +0000, sebb wrote:
> On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I just updated and redeployed the preview of the HttpComponents web
> > site.
> >
> > Changelog:
> > * Link to the project Wiki per Roland's request
> > * HttpCore module now includes javadoc, source cross-reference and
> > clover (test coverage) reports
> >
> > The preview can be found at the usual location
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> >
> > Please let me know if you think something major is still missing.
>
Many thanks, Sebastian
> Not major, but:
>
> How about linking the Netscape Cookie spec to the front page?
>
Done.
>
> ==
>
> A few minor layout issues:
>
> There's an unexpected change of font size on the pages:
>
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/charter.html
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/goals.html
>
> It looks like the style for bullet points has a larger font size than
> the main text.
>
Fixed
> The link at the bottom of the page:
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/http-core/issue-tracking.html
>
> works, but I'm not sure it helps to have it displayed in full...
>
I cant help it. This is the way Maven end up generating the page.
Please review
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 4)
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 08/03/06, Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I just updated and redeployed the preview of the HttpComponents web
> site.
>
> Changelog:
> * Link to the project Wiki per Roland's request
> * HttpCore module now includes javadoc, source cross-reference and
> clover (test coverage) reports
>
> The preview can be found at the usual location
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
>
> Please let me know if you think something major is still missing.
Not major, but:
How about linking the Netscape Cookie spec to the front page?
Also, why not provide all the cookies links on the Cookies page?
==
A few minor layout issues:
There's an unexpected change of font size on the pages:
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/charter.html
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/goals.html
It looks like the style for bullet points has a larger font size than
the main text.
The link at the bottom of the page:
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/http-core/issue-tracking.html
works, but I'm not sure it helps to have it displayed in full...
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 4)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
Folks,
I just updated and redeployed the preview of the HttpComponents web
site.
Changelog:
* Link to the project Wiki per Roland's request
* HttpCore module now includes javadoc, source cross-reference and
clover (test coverage) reports
The preview can be found at the usual location
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
Please let me know if you think something major is still missing.
Otherwise, provided I hear no complaints I would like to go ahead and
deploy the site to the official Jakarta repository
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
I'll get the logo thing started with Regula.
Odi
Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I started putting together a web site for Jakarta HttpComponents
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 3)
Posted by Roland Weber <ht...@dubioso.net>.
Hi Oleg,
> I seriously doubt browsers can resolve relative links,
They have to, that's specified by HTML:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#h-6.4
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#h-12.1.1
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#resolving-relative-uris
I've been using relative links in local HTML pages for quite a while.
They work as expected, whether I access the pages via file:/// from
Windows, via file:/// from Linux, or via an HTTP server.
> I rephrased this section a little, please let me know if you like it
> better
Yepp, better. I am still wondering whether the complaints about the
libraries, in particular commons-logging, came from people who had
a lot of other libraries to integrate, or rather from people who had
few other libraries and didn't like to have to learn how to integrate
anything at all. I would have expected that a lot of dependencies
gives them integration practice, so that another library or two don't
matter much.
cheers,
Roland
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 3)
Posted by Roland Weber <ht...@dubioso.net>.
Hi all,
shouldn't we link the httpclient wiki from the HttpComponents web page?
Or will there be a different wiki? Or maybe I just missed the link.
cheers,
Roland
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 3)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 22:32 +0100, Roland Weber wrote:
> Hi Oleg,
>
Hi Roland
> > What is the web server supposed to do with the following request
> >
> > GET .. HTTP/1.1
>
> What browser would send this kind of request? All browsers will
> resolve relative links before sending the request. And if an
> HttpClient application would send such a request, we'd tell the
> developer to resolve the link in the application :-)
>
So be it. I seriously doubt browsers can resolve relative links, but if
they transform the request URI into something like
http://whatever/project/module/.. that should basically do the trick
>
> I like the new web site. Just a few typos I noticed:
>
> Project Charter
> - Rationale: a number _of_ limitations
> - Project Scope: additional_ly_ charged
>
> Project Goals
> - Componentized design: "affecting" instead of "effecting"
>
> News
> - "preoject"
>
> HttpCore Examples
> - "dempnstrates" x2
>
Fixed. Good catch.
>
> I'm not happy with the last sentence of "Minimal external dependencies"
> in the project goals. It sounds as if they only cause trouble without
> providing any benefit in terms of functionality. Maybe replace "only"
> with "significantly"?
> I'll probably start a design discussion on logging this weekend. But
> not now, it's getting late tonight :-)
>
I rephrased this section a little, please let me know if you like it
better
The updated preview of the site can be found here
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
Please do not be shy and add stuff if you think something is missing
Oleg
> cheers,
> Roland
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Roland Weber <ht...@dubioso.net>.
Hi Oleg,
> What is the web server supposed to do with the following request
>
> GET .. HTTP/1.1
What browser would send this kind of request? All browsers will
resolve relative links before sending the request. And if an
HttpClient application would send such a request, we'd tell the
developer to resolve the link in the application :-)
I like the new web site. Just a few typos I noticed:
Project Charter
- Rationale: a number _of_ limitations
- Project Scope: additional_ly_ charged
Project Goals
- Componentized design: "affecting" instead of "effecting"
News
- "preoject"
HttpCore Examples
- "dempnstrates" x2
I'm not happy with the last sentence of "Minimal external dependencies"
in the project goals. It sounds as if they only cause trouble without
providing any benefit in terms of functionality. Maybe replace "only"
with "significantly"?
I'll probably start a design discussion on logging this weekend. But
not now, it's getting late tonight :-)
cheers,
Roland
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> What is the web server supposed to do with the following request
>
> GET .. HTTP/1.1
>
> ?
As Roland has pointed out already, such a request will never be sent to
a server. Relative links in websites are absolutely normal.
>
>>I mean if you build the site locally then you expect it to work, right?
>>
>
>
> Not if one uses Maven ;-) All sub-modules are deployed in their
> respective home directories under 'target/site', which renders all
> cross-module links nonfunctional until the whole thing is deployed to
> its target repository. If you know how to fix that, I'll be happy to
> learn
>
> Oleg
Okay, that's a pitty. But well... Unfortunately I have not had (not
taken) the time to look into Maven 2 at all. Also I have never used
multiproject features in Maven 1. I fear I am of little help here.
Odi
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 15:13 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
>
> Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:59 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
> >> Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:40 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
> >>>> only a quick one:
> >>>>
> >>>> * The "lessons learned" page has no navigation. So the user loses track.
> >>> What kind of navigation would you suggest?
> >> I'd keep it flat and just give it its own entry below "Project goals".
> >>
> >>>> * "Home" in the modules doesn't work
> >>> The link points to http://jakarta.apache.org/httpcomponents/. Once the
> >>> site is deployed to its proper location, the link will work as intended.
> >>> If you know how to bend Maven2 to dynamically generate those links based
> >>> on the URL of the distribution site, I would be happy to learn
> >> what about ".." ?
> >>
> >
> > Aren't relative URLs a big no-no?
>
> Who says that? The Maven specs?
>
What is the web server supposed to do with the following request
GET .. HTTP/1.1
?
> I mean if you build the site locally then you expect it to work, right?
>
Not if one uses Maven ;-) All sub-modules are deployed in their
respective home directories under 'target/site', which renders all
cross-module links nonfunctional until the whole thing is deployed to
its target repository. If you know how to fix that, I'll be happy to
learn
Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:59 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
>> Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:40 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
>>>> only a quick one:
>>>>
>>>> * The "lessons learned" page has no navigation. So the user loses track.
>>> What kind of navigation would you suggest?
>> I'd keep it flat and just give it its own entry below "Project goals".
>>
>>>> * "Home" in the modules doesn't work
>>> The link points to http://jakarta.apache.org/httpcomponents/. Once the
>>> site is deployed to its proper location, the link will work as intended.
>>> If you know how to bend Maven2 to dynamically generate those links based
>>> on the URL of the distribution site, I would be happy to learn
>> what about ".." ?
>>
>
> Aren't relative URLs a big no-no?
Who says that? The Maven specs?
I mean if you build the site locally then you expect it to work, right?
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:59 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
>
> Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:40 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
> >> only a quick one:
> >>
> >> * The "lessons learned" page has no navigation. So the user loses track.
> >
> > What kind of navigation would you suggest?
>
> I'd keep it flat and just give it its own entry below "Project goals".
>
> >> * "Home" in the modules doesn't work
> >
> > The link points to http://jakarta.apache.org/httpcomponents/. Once the
> > site is deployed to its proper location, the link will work as intended.
> > If you know how to bend Maven2 to dynamically generate those links based
> > on the URL of the distribution site, I would be happy to learn
>
> what about ".." ?
>
Aren't relative URLs a big no-no?
> > Oleg
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:40 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
>> only a quick one:
>>
>> * The "lessons learned" page has no navigation. So the user loses track.
>
> What kind of navigation would you suggest?
I'd keep it flat and just give it its own entry below "Project goals".
>> * "Home" in the modules doesn't work
>
> The link points to http://jakarta.apache.org/httpcomponents/. Once the
> site is deployed to its proper location, the link will work as intended.
> If you know how to bend Maven2 to dynamically generate those links based
> on the URL of the distribution site, I would be happy to learn
what about ".." ?
> Oleg
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 2006-03-03 at 14:40 +0100, Ortwin Glück wrote:
> only a quick one:
>
> * The "lessons learned" page has no navigation. So the user loses track.
What kind of navigation would you suggest?
>
> * "Home" in the modules doesn't work
The link points to http://jakarta.apache.org/httpcomponents/. Once the
site is deployed to its proper location, the link will work as intended.
If you know how to bend Maven2 to dynamically generate those links based
on the URL of the distribution site, I would be happy to learn
Oleg
>
> Odi
>
> Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > I have updated the HttpComponents web site to include the changes
> > suggested by Mike and Roland
> >
> > The site can be found here
> >
> > http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
> >
> > Please review the content and feel free to suggest further changes and
> > submit patches
> >
> > Mike, Odi, if you have some stuff to add or want to make some changes to
> > the documents that are already there do not be shy and just commit away
> >
> > Oleg
> >
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Ortwin Glück <od...@odi.ch>.
only a quick one:
* The "lessons learned" page has no navigation. So the user loses track.
* "Home" in the modules doesn't work
Odi
Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I have updated the HttpComponents web site to include the changes
> suggested by Mike and Roland
>
> The site can be found here
>
> http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
>
> Please review the content and feel free to suggest further changes and
> submit patches
>
> Mike, Odi, if you have some stuff to add or want to make some changes to
> the documents that are already there do not be shy and just commit away
>
> Oleg
>
>
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Re: [HttpComponents] web site (update 2)
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@apache.org>.
Folks,
I have updated the HttpComponents web site to include the changes
suggested by Mike and Roland
The site can be found here
http://people.apache.org/~olegk/httpcomponents/
Please review the content and feel free to suggest further changes and
submit patches
Mike, Odi, if you have some stuff to add or want to make some changes to
the documents that are already there do not be shy and just commit away
Oleg
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