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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by "Jeff B. Meisenhelder" <po...@poptartweb.org> on 2003/10/02 00:12:54 UTC
[users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Sorry y'all... but I am unsubscribing from this list.
I no longer use Apache, and I only host http for 2 reason: Exchange server webmail, and as a test environment for a website I run (but do not host)
IIS is already included with Win2k3 Server (which is what i'm using) so I will use that, plus, it is, in my opinion, much easier to set up than Apache. Also, I never had very good luck with apache.
Don't get me wrong, Apache is a GREAT SERVER... its just not what I'm looking for.
Thanks for the answers... and good luck in the future.
--Jeff Meisenhelder
Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Cody Harris <hc...@ns.sympatico.ca>.
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:12:54 -0500,
Someone named "Jeff B. Meisenhelder" <po...@poptartweb.org> wrote:
> Sorry y'all... but I am unsubscribing from this list.
> I no longer use Apache, and I only host http for 2 reason: Exchange server webmail, and as a test environment for a website I run (but do not host)
>
> IIS is already included with Win2k3 Server (which is what i'm using) so I will use that, plus, it is, in my opinion, much easier to set up than Apache. Also, I never had very good luck with apache.
>
> Don't get me wrong, Apache is a GREAT SERVER... its just not what I'm looking for.
Aw well. Good luck with your new server.
>
> Thanks for the answers... and good luck in the future.
>
> --Jeff Meisenhelder
>
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RE: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by "Roger B.A. Klorese" <ro...@queernet.org>.
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:16:34 -0700,
> Someone named "Roger B.A. Klorese" <ro...@queernet.org> wrote:
>
> > Best of luck, and enjoy the virus and worm attacks. :)
>
> Ha ha. Leave the poor guy alone!
Joking (mostly).
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Cody Harris <hc...@ns.sympatico.ca>.
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:16:34 -0700,
Someone named "Roger B.A. Klorese" <ro...@queernet.org> wrote:
> Best of luck, and enjoy the virus and worm attacks. :)
Ha ha. Leave the poor guy alone!
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff B. Meisenhelder [mailto:poptart@poptartweb.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:13 PM
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
>
>
>
> Sorry y'all... but I am unsubscribing from this list.
> I no longer use Apache, and I only host http for 2 reason: Exchange server
> webmail, and as a test environment for a website I run (but do not host)
>
> IIS is already included with Win2k3 Server (which is what i'm using) so I
> will use that, plus, it is, in my opinion, much easier to set up than
> Apache. Also, I never had very good luck with apache.
>
> Don't get me wrong, Apache is a GREAT SERVER... its just not what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Thanks for the answers... and good luck in the future.
>
> --Jeff Meisenhelder
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Ezra <ez...@acedsl.com>.
Hello Jacob:
Most of us can't count as well as you. The media knows this. Not
to many people will sit down and figure out what the numbers really mean.
Jacob Coby wrote:
>>Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
>>http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
>>
>>Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
>>http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
>
>
> I don't understand why this even got press coverage. Read the numbers on
> that first link. appx. 20 million active websites monitored; 185,000 of
> which run server 2003. That's 0.00925% of all servers. 5% of those 185,000
> moved from linux/apache. That's 9250. Or, in the global scale, 0.0004625%
> of all sites in the world moved from linux to windows server 2003.
>
> Now, take a look at windows 2003 hosting companies at www.netcraft.com.
> That's 94,732 sites from those top hosting companies alone. They account
> for 51.2% of all win2003 servers.
>
> On the global scale, over the last month, Microsoft has lost 0.21% of the
> market, while apache has gained 0.54% (48x of those lost to windows
> 2003/IIS).
>
> It boggles the mind why this made news.
>
> -Jacob
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Peter Bissmire <pb...@onetel.net.uk>.
Can we all have our penny-worth?
It seems to me madness to run a suite of software
that most viruses and worms are designed to attack.
So, if, to keep the customers happy or for whatever
reason, I run a Windoze box,
'Exploder', Outlook, Exchange and IIS
and maybe a few other bitsnpieces
are to be avoided like the plague because they
carry many of the target leaks.
In any case, Apache and other alternatives are FREE.
Perhaps the motto should be:
mix and patch and win the match!
Peter Bissmire
Webmaster wrote:
> Could it perhaps be that someone interested in manipulating statistics
> thought it might make good PR?
>
> That company has used PR instead of reliability ever since it broke off the
> joint venture with IBM; buying that in part through offering IBM virtually
> free software as an "inverted threat" not to block the severing of the
> contractual arrangement with IBM.
>
> That isn't the claim of a disgrunted user or employee... it has been well
> publicised over many years. The ongoing litigation against them makes
> interesting reading too.
>
> Richard Ashton
> Adelaide, Australia
>
> At 15:38 02-10-03 -0400, you wrote:
> >> Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
> >> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
> >>
> >> Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
> >> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
> >
> >I don't understand why this even got press coverage. Read the numbers on
> >that first link. appx. 20 million active websites monitored; 185,000 of
> >which run server 2003. That's 0.00925% of all servers. 5% of those 185,000
> >moved from linux/apache. That's 9250. Or, in the global scale, 0.0004625%
> >of all sites in the world moved from linux to windows server 2003.
> >
> >Now, take a look at windows 2003 hosting companies at www.netcraft.com.
> >That's 94,732 sites from those top hosting companies alone. They account
> >for 51.2% of all win2003 servers.
> >
> >On the global scale, over the last month, Microsoft has lost 0.21% of the
> >market, while apache has gained 0.54% (48x of those lost to windows
> >2003/IIS).
> >
> >It boggles the mind why this made news.
> >
> >-Jacob
> >
> >
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Webmaster <ea...@chatministries.org>.
Could it perhaps be that someone interested in manipulating statistics
thought it might make good PR?
That company has used PR instead of reliability ever since it broke off the
joint venture with IBM; buying that in part through offering IBM virtually
free software as an "inverted threat" not to block the severing of the
contractual arrangement with IBM.
That isn't the claim of a disgrunted user or employee... it has been well
publicised over many years. The ongoing litigation against them makes
interesting reading too.
Richard Ashton
Adelaide, Australia
At 15:38 02-10-03 -0400, you wrote:
>> Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
>> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
>>
>> Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
>> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
>
>I don't understand why this even got press coverage. Read the numbers on
>that first link. appx. 20 million active websites monitored; 185,000 of
>which run server 2003. That's 0.00925% of all servers. 5% of those 185,000
>moved from linux/apache. That's 9250. Or, in the global scale, 0.0004625%
>of all sites in the world moved from linux to windows server 2003.
>
>Now, take a look at windows 2003 hosting companies at www.netcraft.com.
>That's 94,732 sites from those top hosting companies alone. They account
>for 51.2% of all win2003 servers.
>
>On the global scale, over the last month, Microsoft has lost 0.21% of the
>market, while apache has gained 0.54% (48x of those lost to windows
>2003/IIS).
>
>It boggles the mind why this made news.
>
>-Jacob
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Jacob Coby <jc...@listingbook.com>.
> Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
>
> Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
I don't understand why this even got press coverage. Read the numbers on
that first link. appx. 20 million active websites monitored; 185,000 of
which run server 2003. That's 0.00925% of all servers. 5% of those 185,000
moved from linux/apache. That's 9250. Or, in the global scale, 0.0004625%
of all sites in the world moved from linux to windows server 2003.
Now, take a look at windows 2003 hosting companies at www.netcraft.com.
That's 94,732 sites from those top hosting companies alone. They account
for 51.2% of all win2003 servers.
On the global scale, over the last month, Microsoft has lost 0.21% of the
market, while apache has gained 0.54% (48x of those lost to windows
2003/IIS).
It boggles the mind why this made news.
-Jacob
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Cody Harris <hc...@ns.sympatico.ca>.
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:55:06 -0400,
Someone named "Leif W" <wa...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff White" <jl...@earthlink.net>
> To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
>
>
> > From: "Jamie Niemeier"
> >
> > >
> > > wow, you never hear of anyone
> > > going from apache to iis... its the
> > > other way 'round.. doh!
> > >
> >
> > Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
> > http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
> >
> > Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
> > http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
> >
> >
> > Jeff
>
> Well, on the smaller trend, I'm still offering helpful and friendly advice
> and introducing friends and colleagues to Apache / PHP / MySQL as very
> strong options.
>
> <rant>
> I personally don't care what M$ does anymore. Their products suck, always
> have, always will, and I'm convinced now it's by design. :D They must go
> out of their way to carefully craft so many bugs and vulnerabilities. ^^
> So let them continue to spread their FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt), but
> let us continue to eradicate those misconceptions in those people around us.
> </rant>
*agrees*
M$ needs to smarten up. But i think it's also the consumer. We need to educate people on what's good and what's bad (M$ is a bad one).
>
> Leif
>
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Webmaster <ea...@chatministries.org>.
Amen to that!
At 10:55 02-10-03 -0400, you wrote:
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeff White" <jl...@earthlink.net>
>To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
---snip---
><rant>
>I personally don't care what M$ does anymore. Their products suck, always
>have, always will, and I'm convinced now it's by design. :D They must go
>out of their way to carefully craft so many bugs and vulnerabilities. ^^
>So let them continue to spread their FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt), but
>let us continue to eradicate those misconceptions in those people around us.
></rant>
>
>Leif
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Leif W <wa...@usa.net>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff White" <jl...@earthlink.net>
To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
> From: "Jamie Niemeier"
>
> >
> > wow, you never hear of anyone
> > going from apache to iis... its the
> > other way 'round.. doh!
> >
>
> Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
>
> Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
>
>
> Jeff
Well, on the smaller trend, I'm still offering helpful and friendly advice
and introducing friends and colleagues to Apache / PHP / MySQL as very
strong options.
<rant>
I personally don't care what M$ does anymore. Their products suck, always
have, always will, and I'm convinced now it's by design. :D They must go
out of their way to carefully craft so many bugs and vulnerabilities. ^^
So let them continue to spread their FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt), but
let us continue to eradicate those misconceptions in those people around us.
</rant>
Leif
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Craig <cr...@nsutah.com>.
>
>>wow, you never hear of anyone
>>going from apache to iis... its the
>>other way 'round.. doh!
>
> Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
>
> Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
> http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
There is one factor that is common between these two reports: "Netcraft".
A few years ago, Netcraft did some sort of "research" regarding a
different M$ product (I don't remember what) and reported then (as with
this time) somewhat tainted results.
I believe it was exposed that Netcraft was paid by M$ to twist the facts
to their benefit.
Craig.
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Jeff White <jl...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Jamie Niemeier"
>
> wow, you never hear of anyone
> going from apache to iis... its the
> other way 'round.. doh!
>
Windows Server 2003 Taking Share from Linux
http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/22290.html
Windows Server 2003 Surges, Takes Share from Linux
http://www.wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=40297
Jeff
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Re: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Jamie Niemeier <ni...@ucmail.uc.edu>.
wow, you never hear of anyone going from apache to iis... its the other way
'round.. doh!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerome SCHLUMBERGER" <je...@nexantis.net>
To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 2:01 AM
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
> See you soon :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff B. Meisenhelder [mailto:poptart@poptartweb.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:13 AM
> To: users@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
>
> Sorry y'all... but I am unsubscribing from this list.
> I no longer use Apache, and I only host http for 2 reason: Exchange
> server webmail, and as a test environment for a website I run (but do
> not host)
>
> IIS is already included with Win2k3 Server (which is what i'm using) so
> I will use that, plus, it is, in my opinion, much easier to set up than
> Apache. Also, I never had very good luck with apache.
>
> Don't get me wrong, Apache is a GREAT SERVER... its just not what I'm
> looking for.
>
> Thanks for the answers... and good luck in the future.
>
> --Jeff Meisenhelder
>
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RE: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by Jerome SCHLUMBERGER <je...@nexantis.net>.
See you soon :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff B. Meisenhelder [mailto:poptart@poptartweb.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:13 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Sorry y'all... but I am unsubscribing from this list.
I no longer use Apache, and I only host http for 2 reason: Exchange server
webmail, and as a test environment for a website I run (but do not host)
IIS is already included with Win2k3 Server (which is what i'm using) so I
will use that, plus, it is, in my opinion, much easier to set up than
Apache. Also, I never had very good luck with apache.
Don't get me wrong, Apache is a GREAT SERVER... its just not what I'm
looking for.
Thanks for the answers... and good luck in the future.
--Jeff Meisenhelder
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RE: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Posted by "Roger B.A. Klorese" <ro...@queernet.org>.
Best of luck, and enjoy the virus and worm attacks. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff B. Meisenhelder [mailto:poptart@poptartweb.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 3:13 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: [users@httpd] Sorry Guys...
Sorry y'all... but I am unsubscribing from this list.
I no longer use Apache, and I only host http for 2 reason: Exchange server
webmail, and as a test environment for a website I run (but do not host)
IIS is already included with Win2k3 Server (which is what i'm using) so I
will use that, plus, it is, in my opinion, much easier to set up than
Apache. Also, I never had very good luck with apache.
Don't get me wrong, Apache is a GREAT SERVER... its just not what I'm
looking for.
Thanks for the answers... and good luck in the future.
--Jeff Meisenhelder