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[GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Hello.
I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
with the OpenMeetings project.
You could find and read my proposal here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
Best regards,
German Grekhov.
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>.
Hello!
My proposal has been reviewed and some errors and typos were fixed.
See the updated version here:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2012/ggrekhov/1001
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GermanGrekhov/ProposalGSoC2012
German.
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>.
My edited proposal is here now:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GermanGrekhov/ProposalGSoC2012
3 апреля 2012 г. 9:13 пользователь German Grekhov
<ge...@gmail.com> написал:
> Ok, I will do that. But where should I submit them?
>
> 1) Proposal: wiki and melange.
> 2) Resume, Cover Letter: ???
>
> German.
>
>
> 2 апреля 2012 г. 23:54 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> написал:
>> Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
>>
>> I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
>>
>> Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover Letter,
>> and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project Ideas
>> Page.
>>
>> Proposal should include:
>>
>> 1. The title of the project
>>
>> 2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a project.
>>
>> 3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project period.
>>
>> 4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
>>
>> 5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
>>
>> Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other media
>> elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal is no
>> longer than two pages in length.
>> Sebastian
>>
>> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> You should
>>> 02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> написал:
>>>
>>> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor?
>>> >
>>> > 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > <se...@gmail.com> написал:
>>> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you
>>> need
>>> > to
>>> > > request it on code-awards?
>>> > >
>>> > > Sebastian
>>> > >
>>> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>> > >
>>> > >> Yes I do have the access,
>>> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> > >> http://dataved.ru/
>>> > >> +7 916 562 8095
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
>>> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >> Guys,
>>> > >> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
>>> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> --
>>> > >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
>>> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a
>>> wide
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>>> > >> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
>>> > user
>>> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of
>>> > the
>>> > >> >> > task?*
>>> > >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
>>> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
>>> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and
>>> > >> important
>>> > >> >> to
>>> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality
>>> > >> modes
>>> > >> >> and
>>> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it
>>> > will
>>> > >> >> require
>>> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
>>> > >> cetera.
>>> > >> >> So
>>> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to
>>> > >> decide
>>> > >> >> if
>>> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
>>> > just
>>> > >> a
>>> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
>>> > >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want
>>> to
>>> > >> just
>>> > >> >> do
>>> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it
>>> > so
>>> > >> that
>>> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4
>>> > >> months
>>> > >> >> to
>>> > >> >> > implement it.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your
>>> > >> Proposal
>>> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
>>> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>>> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would
>>> have
>>> > 5
>>> > >> >> > indicators:
>>> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
>>> > >> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the
>>> > upload
>>> > >> >> speed.
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>>> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that
>>> > pops
>>> > >> up
>>> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can
>>> record
>>> > 5
>>> > >> >> seconds
>>> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
>>> > >> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
>>> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > Sebastian
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video
>>> > stream
>>> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
>>> > >> >> >> suggestions...
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
>>> > >> conferencing is
>>> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>>> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
>>> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>>> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events
>>> and
>>> > >> >> >> > features
>>> > >> >> >> > in Red5
>>> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a
>>> wide
>>> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to
>>> the
>>> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
>>> > user
>>> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > >> >> >> task?
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial
>>> > load
>>> > >> >> >> > Tester:
>>> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you
>>> > have
>>> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and
>>> > >> measures
>>> > >> >> >> > your
>>> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be
>>> > implemented
>>> > >> as
>>> > >> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside
>>> of
>>> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
>>> > just
>>> > >> a
>>> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should
>>> > be
>>> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this
>>> > choice.
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> German.
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are
>>> going
>>> > >> to do
>>> > >> >> >> >> and
>>> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example
>>> > for
>>> > >> UI
>>> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup
>>> that
>>> > >> >> >> >> describes
>>> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>>> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
>>> > >> >> bandwidth.
>>> > >> >> >> >> To
>>> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change
>>> somebodys
>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
>>> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
>>> > >> >> settings.
>>> > >> >> >> >> The
>>> > >> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on
>>> > bandwidth.
>>> > >> >> >> >> However
>>> > >> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no
>>> > >> option...
>>> > >> >> >> >> the
>>> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
>>> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate
>>> of
>>> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
>>> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to
>>> > change
>>> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning
>>> > on/off
>>> > >> >> video
>>> > >> >> >> >> as
>>> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each
>>> > participant.
>>> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is
>>> > also
>>> > >> not
>>> > >> >> >> >> that
>>> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while
>>> > conferencing
>>> > >> as
>>> > >> >> the
>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio
>>> > will
>>> > >> >> >> >> stutter
>>> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
>>> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and
>>> > methods
>>> > >> >> are
>>> > >> >> >> >> you
>>> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
>>> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer
>>> of
>>> > >> code
>>> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>>> > >> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
>>> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >> --
>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > --
>>> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> >
>>> > >> >> > --
>>> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > --
>>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>> > >
>>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.openmeetings.de
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>.
Ok, I will do that. But where should I submit them?
1) Proposal: wiki and melange.
2) Resume, Cover Letter: ???
German.
2 апреля 2012 г. 23:54 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> написал:
> Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
>
> I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
>
> Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover Letter,
> and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project Ideas
> Page.
>
> Proposal should include:
>
> 1. The title of the project
>
> 2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a project.
>
> 3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project period.
>
> 4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
>
> 5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
>
> Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other media
> elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal is no
> longer than two pages in length.
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
>> You should
>> 02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <ge...@gmail.com>
>> написал:
>>
>> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor?
>> >
>> > 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > <se...@gmail.com> написал:
>> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you
>> need
>> > to
>> > > request it on code-awards?
>> > >
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > >> Yes I do have the access,
>> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
>> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Guys,
>> > >> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
>> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> --
>> > >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a
>> wide
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>> > >> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
>> > user
>> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of
>> > the
>> > >> >> > task?*
>> > >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
>> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
>> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and
>> > >> important
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality
>> > >> modes
>> > >> >> and
>> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it
>> > will
>> > >> >> require
>> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
>> > >> cetera.
>> > >> >> So
>> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to
>> > >> decide
>> > >> >> if
>> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
>> > just
>> > >> a
>> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
>> > >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want
>> to
>> > >> just
>> > >> >> do
>> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it
>> > so
>> > >> that
>> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4
>> > >> months
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> > implement it.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your
>> > >> Proposal
>> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
>> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would
>> have
>> > 5
>> > >> >> > indicators:
>> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
>> > >> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the
>> > upload
>> > >> >> speed.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that
>> > pops
>> > >> up
>> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can
>> record
>> > 5
>> > >> >> seconds
>> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
>> > >> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
>> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Sebastian
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video
>> > stream
>> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
>> > >> >> >> suggestions...
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
>> > >> conferencing is
>> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
>> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events
>> and
>> > >> >> >> > features
>> > >> >> >> > in Red5
>> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a
>> wide
>> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to
>> the
>> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
>> > user
>> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance
>> of
>> > the
>> > >> >> >> task?
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial
>> > load
>> > >> >> >> > Tester:
>> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you
>> > have
>> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and
>> > >> measures
>> > >> >> >> > your
>> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be
>> > implemented
>> > >> as
>> > >> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside
>> of
>> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
>> > just
>> > >> a
>> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should
>> > be
>> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this
>> > choice.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> German.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are
>> going
>> > >> to do
>> > >> >> >> >> and
>> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example
>> > for
>> > >> UI
>> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup
>> that
>> > >> >> >> >> describes
>> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
>> > >> >> bandwidth.
>> > >> >> >> >> To
>> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change
>> somebodys
>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
>> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
>> > >> >> settings.
>> > >> >> >> >> The
>> > >> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on
>> > bandwidth.
>> > >> >> >> >> However
>> > >> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no
>> > >> option...
>> > >> >> >> >> the
>> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
>> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate
>> of
>> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
>> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to
>> > change
>> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning
>> > on/off
>> > >> >> video
>> > >> >> >> >> as
>> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each
>> > participant.
>> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is
>> > also
>> > >> not
>> > >> >> >> >> that
>> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while
>> > conferencing
>> > >> as
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio
>> > will
>> > >> >> >> >> stutter
>> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
>> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and
>> > methods
>> > >> >> are
>> > >> >> >> >> you
>> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
>> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer
>> of
>> > >> code
>> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>> > >> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
>> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> --
>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > --
>> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > --
>> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> > >
>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover Letter,
and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project Ideas
Page.
Proposal should include:
1. The title of the project
2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a project.
3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project period.
4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other media
elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal is no
longer than two pages in length.
Sebastian
2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> You should
> 02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <ge...@gmail.com>
> написал:
>
> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor?
> >
> > 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > <se...@gmail.com> написал:
> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you
> need
> > to
> > > request it on code-awards?
> > >
> > > Sebastian
> > >
> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > >> Yes I do have the access,
> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
> > >>
> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
> > >> >
> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >> >
> > >> >> Guys,
> > >> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a
> wide
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> > >> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
> > user
> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of
> > the
> > >> >> > task?*
> > >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and
> > >> important
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality
> > >> modes
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it
> > will
> > >> >> require
> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
> > >> cetera.
> > >> >> So
> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to
> > >> decide
> > >> >> if
> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
> > just
> > >> a
> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
> > >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want
> to
> > >> just
> > >> >> do
> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it
> > so
> > >> that
> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4
> > >> months
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> > implement it.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your
> > >> Proposal
> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would
> have
> > 5
> > >> >> > indicators:
> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
> > >> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the
> > upload
> > >> >> speed.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that
> > pops
> > >> up
> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can
> record
> > 5
> > >> >> seconds
> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
> > >> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Sebastian
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video
> > stream
> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
> > >> >> >> suggestions...
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
> > >> conferencing is
> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events
> and
> > >> >> >> > features
> > >> >> >> > in Red5
> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a
> wide
> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to
> the
> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
> > user
> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance
> of
> > the
> > >> >> >> task?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial
> > load
> > >> >> >> > Tester:
> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you
> > have
> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and
> > >> measures
> > >> >> >> > your
> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be
> > implemented
> > >> as
> > >> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside
> of
> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
> > just
> > >> a
> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should
> > be
> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this
> > choice.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> German.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are
> going
> > >> to do
> > >> >> >> >> and
> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example
> > for
> > >> UI
> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup
> that
> > >> >> >> >> describes
> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
> > >> >> bandwidth.
> > >> >> >> >> To
> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change
> somebodys
> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
> > >> >> settings.
> > >> >> >> >> The
> > >> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on
> > bandwidth.
> > >> >> >> >> However
> > >> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no
> > >> option...
> > >> >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate
> of
> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to
> > change
> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning
> > on/off
> > >> >> video
> > >> >> >> >> as
> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each
> > participant.
> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is
> > also
> > >> not
> > >> >> >> >> that
> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while
> > conferencing
> > >> as
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio
> > will
> > >> >> >> >> stutter
> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and
> > methods
> > >> >> are
> > >> >> >> >> you
> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer
> of
> > >> code
> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
> > >> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
> > >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
> > >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
> > >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
> > >> >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> --
> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > --
> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > --
> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> > >
> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sebastian Wagner
> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
You should
02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <ge...@gmail.com>
написал:
> What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor?
>
> 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> написал:
> > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you need
> to
> > request it on code-awards?
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Yes I do have the access,
> >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
> >>
> >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
> >> >
> >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> >> Guys,
> >> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
> >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >> >> >
> >> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> >> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
> user
> >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of
> the
> >> >> > task?*
> >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
> >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
> >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and
> >> important
> >> >> to
> >> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality
> >> modes
> >> >> and
> >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it
> will
> >> >> require
> >> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
> >> cetera.
> >> >> So
> >> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to
> >> decide
> >> >> if
> >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
> just
> >> a
> >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
> >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to
> >> just
> >> >> do
> >> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it
> so
> >> that
> >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4
> >> months
> >> >> to
> >> >> > implement it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your
> >> Proposal
> >> >> > could cover those tasks:
> >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
> >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have
> 5
> >> >> > indicators:
> >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
> >> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the
> upload
> >> >> speed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
> >> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that
> pops
> >> up
> >> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record
> 5
> >> >> seconds
> >> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
> >> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
> >> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sebastian
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sebastian,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video
> stream
> >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
> >> >> >> suggestions...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
> >> conferencing is
> >> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
> >> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
> >> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
> >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
> >> >> >> > features
> >> >> >> > in Red5
> >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> >> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a
> user
> >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of
> the
> >> >> >> task?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial
> load
> >> >> >> > Tester:
> >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you
> have
> >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and
> >> measures
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be
> implemented
> >> as
> >> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
> >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or
> just
> >> a
> >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should
> be
> >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this
> choice.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> German.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Hi German,
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going
> >> to do
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example
> for
> >> UI
> >> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
> >> >> >> >> describes
> >> >> >> >> the changes.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
> >> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
> >> >> bandwidth.
> >> >> >> >> To
> >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
> >> >> >> >> bandwidth
> >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
> >> >> settings.
> >> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on
> bandwidth.
> >> >> >> >> However
> >> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no
> >> option...
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
> >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of
> >> >> >> >> anybody,
> >> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to
> change
> >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning
> on/off
> >> >> video
> >> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each
> participant.
> >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is
> also
> >> not
> >> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while
> conferencing
> >> as
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio
> will
> >> >> >> >> stutter
> >> >> >> >> et cetera).
> >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and
> methods
> >> >> are
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> going to use ?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >> >> >> Sebastian
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Hello.
> >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of
> >> code
> >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
> >> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
> >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
> >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>.
What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor?
2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> написал:
> How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you need to
> request it on code-awards?
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
>> Yes I do have the access,
>> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
>>
>> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
>> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>> >
>> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> >> Guys,
>> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
>> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>> >> >
>> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
>> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
>> >> > task?*
>> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
>> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
>> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and
>> important
>> >> to
>> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality
>> modes
>> >> and
>> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will
>> >> require
>> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
>> cetera.
>> >> So
>> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to
>> decide
>> >> if
>> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
>> >> >
>> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just
>> a
>> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
>> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to
>> just
>> >> do
>> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so
>> that
>> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4
>> months
>> >> to
>> >> > implement it.
>> >> >
>> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your
>> Proposal
>> >> > could cover those tasks:
>> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
>> >> > indicators:
>> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
>> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload
>> >> speed.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops
>> up
>> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5
>> >> seconds
>> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
>> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
>> >> >
>> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
>> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Sebastian
>> >> >
>> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sebastian,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
>> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
>> >> >> suggestions...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
>> conferencing is
>> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
>> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
>> >> >> > features
>> >> >> > in Red5
>> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
>> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
>> >> >> task?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load
>> >> >> > Tester:
>> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
>> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and
>> measures
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented
>> as
>> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
>> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just
>> a
>> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
>> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> German.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Hi German,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going
>> to do
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for
>> UI
>> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
>> >> >> >> describes
>> >> >> >> the changes.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
>> >> bandwidth.
>> >> >> >> To
>> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
>> >> >> >> bandwidth
>> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
>> >> settings.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
>> >> >> >> However
>> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no
>> option...
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
>> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of
>> >> >> >> anybody,
>> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
>> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off
>> >> video
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
>> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also
>> not
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing
>> as
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will
>> >> >> >> stutter
>> >> >> >> et cetera).
>> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods
>> >> are
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> going to use ?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks!
>> >> >> >> Sebastian
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Hello.
>> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of
>> code
>> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Best regards,
>> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you need to
request it on code-awards?
Sebastian
2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> Yes I do have the access,
> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
>
> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
> >
> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Guys,
> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >> >
> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> >> > task?*
> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and
> important
> >> to
> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality
> modes
> >> and
> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will
> >> require
> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
> cetera.
> >> So
> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to
> decide
> >> if
> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
> >> >
> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just
> a
> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to
> just
> >> do
> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so
> that
> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4
> months
> >> to
> >> > implement it.
> >> >
> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your
> Proposal
> >> > could cover those tasks:
> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
> >> > indicators:
> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload
> >> speed.
> >> >
> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops
> up
> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5
> >> seconds
> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
> >> >
> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sebastian
> >> >
> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sebastian,
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
> >> >> suggestions...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
> conferencing is
> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
> >> >> > features
> >> >> > in Red5
> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
> >> >>
> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> >> >> task?
> >> >>
> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load
> >> >> > Tester:
> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and
> measures
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented
> as
> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
> >> >>
> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just
> a
> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
> >> >>
> >> >> German.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hi German,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going
> to do
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for
> UI
> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
> >> >> >> describes
> >> >> >> the changes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
> >> bandwidth.
> >> >> >> To
> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
> >> >> >> bandwidth
> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
> >> settings.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
> >> >> >> However
> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no
> option...
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of
> >> >> >> anybody,
> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off
> >> video
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also
> not
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing
> as
> >> the
> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will
> >> >> >> stutter
> >> >> >> et cetera).
> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods
> >> are
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> going to use ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >> >> Sebastian
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Hello.
> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of
> code
> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Best regards,
> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
For easier filtering, GSoC applicants would you please add
"openmeetings" to the title field?
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I do have the access,
> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
>
> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
>> @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>>
>> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Guys,
>>> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
>>> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>>>
>>> --
>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>>> >
>>> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>>> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
>>> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
>>> > task?*
>>> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
>>> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
>>> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and important
>>> to
>>> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality modes
>>> and
>>> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will
>>> require
>>> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et cetera.
>>> So
>>> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to decide
>>> if
>>> > you want to apply for such a project.
>>> >
>>> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
>>> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
>>> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to just
>>> do
>>> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so that
>>> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4 months
>>> to
>>> > implement it.
>>> >
>>> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your Proposal
>>> > could cover those tasks:
>>> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>>> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
>>> > indicators:
>>> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
>>> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload
>>> speed.
>>> >
>>> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>>> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops up
>>> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5
>>> seconds
>>> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
>>> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
>>> >
>>> > 3) Improve the video pods
>>> > I did not understand what you want to do here
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sebastian
>>> >
>>> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> Sebastian,
>>> >>
>>> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
>>> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
>>> >> suggestions...
>>> >>
>>> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while conferencing is
>>> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>>> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
>>> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>>> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
>>> >> > features
>>> >> > in Red5
>>> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>>> >>
>>> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>>> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>>> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
>>> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
>>> >> task?
>>> >>
>>> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load
>>> >> > Tester:
>>> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
>>> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and measures
>>> >> > your
>>> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented as
>>> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
>>> >> > OpenMeetings.
>>> >>
>>> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
>>> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
>>> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
>>> >>
>>> >> German.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Hi German,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
>>> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
>>> >> >> describes
>>> >> >> the changes.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>>> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
>>> bandwidth.
>>> >> >> To
>>> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
>>> >> >> bandwidth
>>> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
>>> settings.
>>> >> >> The
>>> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
>>> >> >> However
>>> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option...
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> user chooses that value.
>>> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of
>>> >> >> anybody,
>>> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
>>> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off
>>> video
>>> >> >> as
>>> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
>>> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not
>>> >> >> that
>>> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as
>>> the
>>> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will
>>> >> >> stutter
>>> >> >> et cetera).
>>> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods
>>> are
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> going to use ?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks!
>>> >> >> Sebastian
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Hello.
>>> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
>>> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>>> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Best regards,
>>> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>>> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>>> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>> >
>>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Sebastian Wagner
>>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Yes I do have the access,
and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>
> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
>> Guys,
>> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
>> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>> >
>> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
>> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
>> > task?*
>> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
>> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
>> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and important
>> to
>> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality modes
>> and
>> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will
>> require
>> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et cetera.
>> So
>> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to decide
>> if
>> > you want to apply for such a project.
>> >
>> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
>> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
>> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to just
>> do
>> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so that
>> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4 months
>> to
>> > implement it.
>> >
>> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your Proposal
>> > could cover those tasks:
>> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
>> > indicators:
>> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
>> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload
>> speed.
>> >
>> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops up
>> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5
>> seconds
>> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
>> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
>> >
>> > 3) Improve the video pods
>> > I did not understand what you want to do here
>> >
>> >
>> > Sebastian
>> >
>> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Sebastian,
>> >>
>> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
>> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
>> >> suggestions...
>> >>
>> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while conferencing is
>> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
>> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
>> >> > features
>> >> > in Red5
>> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>> >>
>> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
>> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
>> >> task?
>> >>
>> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load
>> >> > Tester:
>> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
>> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and measures
>> >> > your
>> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented as
>> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
>> >> > OpenMeetings.
>> >>
>> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
>> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
>> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
>> >>
>> >> German.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi German,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
>> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
>> >> >> describes
>> >> >> the changes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
>> bandwidth.
>> >> >> To
>> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
>> >> >> bandwidth
>> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
>> settings.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
>> >> >> However
>> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option...
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> user chooses that value.
>> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of
>> >> >> anybody,
>> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
>> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off
>> video
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
>> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as
>> the
>> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will
>> >> >> stutter
>> >> >> et cetera).
>> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods
>> are
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> going to use ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks!
>> >> >> Sebastian
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hello.
>> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
>> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Best regards,
>> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> >
>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
@Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> Guys,
> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >
> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> > task?*
> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and important
> to
> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality modes
> and
> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will
> require
> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et cetera.
> So
> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to decide
> if
> > you want to apply for such a project.
> >
> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to just
> do
> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so that
> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4 months
> to
> > implement it.
> >
> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your Proposal
> > could cover those tasks:
> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
> > indicators:
> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload
> speed.
> >
> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops up
> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5
> seconds
> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
> >
> > 3) Improve the video pods
> > I did not understand what you want to do here
> >
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Sebastian,
> >>
> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
> >> suggestions...
> >>
> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while conferencing is
> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
> >> > features
> >> > in Red5
> >> > - implementing such scenarios
> >>
> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> >> task?
> >>
> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load
> >> > Tester:
> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and measures
> >> > your
> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented as
> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
> >> > OpenMeetings.
> >>
> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
> >>
> >> German.
> >>
> >>
> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> >> Hi German,
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
> >> >>
> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do
> >> >> and
> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
> >> >> describes
> >> >> the changes.
> >> >>
> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
> bandwidth.
> >> >> To
> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
> >> >> bandwidth
> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
> settings.
> >> >> The
> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
> >> >> However
> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option...
> >> >> the
> >> >> user chooses that value.
> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of
> >> >> anybody,
> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off
> video
> >> >> as
> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not
> >> >> that
> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as
> the
> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will
> >> >> stutter
> >> >> et cetera).
> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods
> are
> >> >> you
> >> >> going to use ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >> Sebastian
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hello.
> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best regards,
> >> >>> German Grekhov.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Guys,
proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>
> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> task?*
> => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
> configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
> Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and important to
> be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality modes and
> eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will require
> you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et cetera. So
> it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to decide if
> you want to apply for such a project.
>
> *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
> => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to just do
> this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so that
> 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4 months to
> implement it.
>
> As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your Proposal
> could cover those tasks:
> 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
> attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
> indicators:
> Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
> You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload speed.
>
> 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
> User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops up
> before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5 seconds
> and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
> => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
>
> 3) Improve the video pods
> I did not understand what you want to do here
>
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>>
>> Sebastian,
>>
>> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
>> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
>> suggestions...
>>
>> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while conferencing is
>> > basically a streaming server feature...
>> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
>> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
>> > features
>> > in Red5
>> > - implementing such scenarios
>>
>> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
>> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
>> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
>> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
>> task?
>>
>> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load
>> > Tester:
>> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
>> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and measures
>> > your
>> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented as
>> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
>> > OpenMeetings.
>>
>> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
>> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>>
>> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
>> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
>>
>> German.
>>
>>
>> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>> >
>> >> Hi German,
>> >>
>> >> thanks for the proposal!
>> >>
>> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do
>> >> and
>> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
>> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
>> >> describes
>> >> the changes.
>> >>
>> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the bandwidth.
>> >> To
>> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
>> >> bandwidth
>> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video settings.
>> >> The
>> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
>> >> However
>> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option...
>> >> the
>> >> user chooses that value.
>> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of
>> >> anybody,
>> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
>> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off video
>> >> as
>> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
>> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not
>> >> that
>> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as the
>> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will
>> >> stutter
>> >> et cetera).
>> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods are
>> >> you
>> >> going to use ?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> Sebastian
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Hello.
>> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
>> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>> >>>
>> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> German Grekhov.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
*Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
task?*
=> No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and important to
be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality modes and
eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will
require you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
cetera. So it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you
to decide if you want to apply for such a project.
*How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
=> Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to just do
this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so that
3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4 months to
implement it.
As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your Proposal
could cover those tasks:
1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
indicators:
Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload speed.
2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops up
before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5
seconds and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
=> You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
3) Improve the video pods
I did not understand what you want to do here
Sebastian
2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> Sebastian,
>
> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
> suggestions...
>
> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while conferencing is
> > basically a streaming server feature...
> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and features
> > in Red5
> > - implementing such scenarios
>
> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> task?
>
> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load
> Tester:
> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and measures
> your
> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented as
> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
> > OpenMeetings.
>
> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>
> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
>
> German.
>
>
> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Hi German,
> >>
> >> thanks for the proposal!
> >>
> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do
> and
> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that
> describes
> >> the changes.
> >>
> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the bandwidth.
> To
> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys bandwidth
> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video settings.
> The
> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
> However
> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option... the
> >> user chooses that value.
> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of anybody,
> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off video
> as
> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not
> that
> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as the
> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will
> stutter
> >> et cetera).
> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods are
> you
> >> going to use ?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Hello.
> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
> >>>
> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> German Grekhov.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>.
Sebastian,
thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
suggestions...
> Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while conferencing is
> basically a streaming server feature...
> So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
> - analysing which events are available in Red5
> - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and features
> in Red5
> - implementing such scenarios
Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
task?
> A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load Tester:
> A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
> sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and measures your
> ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented as
> standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
> OpenMeetings.
How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just a
part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
German.
> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi German,
>>
>> thanks for the proposal!
>>
>> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do and
>> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
>> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that describes
>> the changes.
>>
>> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the bandwidth. To
>> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys bandwidth
>> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video settings. The
>> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth. However
>> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option... the
>> user chooses that value.
>> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of anybody,
>> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
>> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off video as
>> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
>> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not that
>> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as the
>> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will stutter
>> et cetera).
>> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods are you
>> going to use ?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
>>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>>>
>>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> German Grekhov.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sebastian Wagner
>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Or in other words:
I can see no realistic chance to adjust or measure the bandwidth while
conferencing using external tools.
Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while conferencing is
basically a streaming server feature, for example in Adobe Flash Media
Server there is something like "dynamic streaming", you might find some
info about that here:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FlashMediaServer/3.5_Deving/WS5b3ccc516d4fbf351e63e3d11a0773d56e-7fea.html
=> The server sends certain MetaData Events while streaming about
NetStream.info.droppedFrames
and based on that you can build certain scenarios of changing the bandwidth.
So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
- analysing which events are available in Red5
- defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and features
in Red5
- implementing such scenarios
A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial load Tester:
A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you have
sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and measures your
ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented as
standalong application as you would do that test even outside of
OpenMeetings.
Sebastian
2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>
> Hi German,
>
> thanks for the proposal!
>
> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do and
> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that describes
> the changes.
>
> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the bandwidth. To
> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys bandwidth
> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video settings. The
> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth. However
> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option... the
> user chooses that value.
> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of anybody,
> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off video as
> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not that
> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as the
> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will stutter
> et cetera).
> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods are you
> going to use ?
>
> Thanks!
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hello.
>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>>
>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> German Grekhov.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Hi German,
thanks for the proposal!
Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are going to do and
what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example for UI
changes it is common that you might include a small mackup that describes
the changes.
About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the bandwidth. To
detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys bandwidth
you would need to re-publish his stream with different video settings. The
width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth. However
changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no option... the
user chooses that value.
The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate of anybody,
you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to change
somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning on/off video as
we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is also not that
easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing as the
bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio will stutter
et cetera).
So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and methods are you
going to use ?
Thanks!
Sebastian
2012/4/2 German Grekhov <ge...@gmail.com>
> Hello.
> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer of code
> with the OpenMeetings project.
> You could find and read my proposal here:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>
> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>
> Best regards,
> German Grekhov.
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com