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Posted to dev@maven.apache.org by Andrew Williams <an...@handyande.co.uk> on 2008/04/01 16:55:47 UTC
Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
Heh, it looks to me like people who have had bad experiences with
maven but not known the tools that can help.
The command "mvn dependency:tree" would have saved them a paragraph of
rant at least!
Andy
On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:59, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> I have something written but it's not very nice. But we're obviously
> a threat as they make comparisons to us. A victim of our own
> success. I've also meant to follow up on when they started using the
> term "Mojo" which definitely confuses people. For the sister Maven
> project over at Codehaus called Mojo has been around quite a long
> time. So I just didn't want to be disappointed and I'm hoping that
> they didn't do it to confuse users. I am assuming not but I haven't
> looked up the dates.
>
> I will try to remove the barbs from my write-up, as their marketing
> I frankly find distasteful. But I'll try to be objective and publish
> it.
>
> On 31-Mar-08, at 2:18 PM, Jason Chaffee wrote:
>> I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if
>> anyone
>> on this list has any experience with or any comparison with Maven? I
>> was just curious what the maven community's impression/response
>> would be
>> because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim
>> to
>> go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
> goals are in doubt.
>
> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
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Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
Posted by Andrew Williams <an...@handyande.co.uk>.
This is true - but the tree was available elsewhere, I think the help
plugin had it for a while.
A
On 2 Apr 2008, at 00:39, Jason Chaffee wrote:
> Also, this may have been written before the dependency plugin had the
> current feature set. I know when I first started using maven2 and the
> dependency plugin, it only had copy, unpack, and a couple of other
> goals. It didn't have everything it has now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Williams [mailto:andy@handyande.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:56 AM
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
>
> Heh, it looks to me like people who have had bad experiences with
> maven but not known the tools that can help.
> The command "mvn dependency:tree" would have saved them a paragraph of
> rant at least!
>
> Andy
>
> On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:59, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> I have something written but it's not very nice. But we're obviously
>> a threat as they make comparisons to us. A victim of our own
>> success. I've also meant to follow up on when they started using the
>> term "Mojo" which definitely confuses people. For the sister Maven
>> project over at Codehaus called Mojo has been around quite a long
>> time. So I just didn't want to be disappointed and I'm hoping that
>> they didn't do it to confuse users. I am assuming not but I haven't
>> looked up the dates.
>>
>> I will try to remove the barbs from my write-up, as their marketing
>> I frankly find distasteful. But I'll try to be objective and publish
>> it.
>>
>> On 31-Mar-08, at 2:18 PM, Jason Chaffee wrote:
>>> I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if
>>> anyone
>>> on this list has any experience with or any comparison with
>>> Maven? I
>>> was just curious what the maven community's impression/response
>>> would be
>>> because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim
>>> to
>>> go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
>>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> jason at sonatype dot com
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise
>> tomorrow.
>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>> goals are in doubt.
>>
>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>
>>
>>
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RE: maven vs openmake mesiter
Posted by Jason Chaffee <ja...@tvworks.com>.
Also, this may have been written before the dependency plugin had the
current feature set. I know when I first started using maven2 and the
dependency plugin, it only had copy, unpack, and a couple of other
goals. It didn't have everything it has now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Williams [mailto:andy@handyande.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:56 AM
To: Maven Developers List
Subject: Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
Heh, it looks to me like people who have had bad experiences with
maven but not known the tools that can help.
The command "mvn dependency:tree" would have saved them a paragraph of
rant at least!
Andy
On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:59, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> I have something written but it's not very nice. But we're obviously
> a threat as they make comparisons to us. A victim of our own
> success. I've also meant to follow up on when they started using the
> term "Mojo" which definitely confuses people. For the sister Maven
> project over at Codehaus called Mojo has been around quite a long
> time. So I just didn't want to be disappointed and I'm hoping that
> they didn't do it to confuse users. I am assuming not but I haven't
> looked up the dates.
>
> I will try to remove the barbs from my write-up, as their marketing
> I frankly find distasteful. But I'll try to be objective and publish
> it.
>
> On 31-Mar-08, at 2:18 PM, Jason Chaffee wrote:
>> I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if
>> anyone
>> on this list has any experience with or any comparison with Maven? I
>> was just curious what the maven community's impression/response
>> would be
>> because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim
>> to
>> go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
> goals are in doubt.
>
> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
>
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