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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Adrian Boston <ab...@cga-canada.org> on 2003/02/05 00:45:26 UTC
RE: Simple example / XML / XSLT In production
Ah, thanks for the linx.
I was debating xml, xslt versus jsp with a colleague. He noted that
although xml, xslt works well in a divided graphics/analyst/developer
big team, it eventually was scrapped for JSP. The lack of object
hierarchy and polymorphism made changes very difficult.
Can anyone provide tales of xml, xslt in a major production? (sans
company name, of course)
Thanks,
-----Original Message-----
From: Yves Vindevogel [mailto:yves.vindevogel@implements.be]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:31 PM
To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: Simple example
Jeremy Ashton, who recently published a book on Cocoon, wrote a very
good "two
idots guide to Cocoon". This document is still online somewhere. I
guess
Jeremy can point it out, he's a frequent reader of this user-list.
That document gave me a lot of support and help, back in the days
> Re: Hopefully some encouragement
>
> An introductory document would prove extremely useful for the Cocoon
> cause, as it sounds great in both concept and implementation. Some of
us
> are in positions to recommend xml, xslt over the forsaken jsp, struts,
> ejb method, but cannot afford the time to master yet another complex
> st*nking framework.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Simmons [mailto:derisor@arcor.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:10 PM
> To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Simple example
>
> Once more ? =)
>
> Its in progress. Right now beginner documentation is a little thin.
>
> -- Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Riegel" <do...@telig.net>
> To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Simple example
>
> > Alireza Fattahi wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The currently cocoon web application is very complex. Is there any
>
> light
>
> > > weight example out there; some thing like blank web application in
>
> struts.
>
> > > Alireza.
>
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> > Alireza,
> >
> > I remember my first steps with cocoon some time ago. I removed step
by
> > step lines from the sitemap until I reached a minimal hello-world
> > application. While removing lines, I did read the comments etc. I
was
>
> a
>
> > good exercise.
> >
> > I did plan doing the same with the cocoon.xconf, but I lost
patience.
> >
> > Regards
> > Stefan
> >
> >
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Re: Simple example / XML / XSLT In production
Posted by Robert Simmons <de...@arcor.de>.
Huh? JSP has no object hierarchy. JSP is basically a way to write a servlet
without having to implement the servlet interfaces. In short it is a
shortcut. The end result of JSP is always a servlet (one per JSP page).
XML/XSLT is a totally different paradigm.
In cocoon generators are used to deliver DATA. This data is in XML form.
There is no logic mixed into this data as is the case with JSP. Then The XML
data is transformed (very mathematically) into content. This content can be
HTML, another XML document such as a soap request, WML, PDF and so on.
So, as a matter of fact JSP mixes not only model and view but also model view
AND controller. In the cocoon world the Generators and actions are
controllers. The XML is the model and the view is accomplished through XSLT
transforms. Its the same for XSP. In this case an XSP is translated into, not
a servlet like JSP, but a generator. So even though you write an XSP to
implement some functionality, this XSP is still going to be spitting out XML
which must be transformed into content.
Comparing the two is like comparing a moped to a Ferrari. The cocoon way is
CLEARLY superior for any number of project planning, resource management and
software engineering reasons.
-- Derisor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Boston" <ab...@cga-canada.org>
To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:45 AM
Subject: RE: Simple example / XML / XSLT In production
Ah, thanks for the linx.
I was debating xml, xslt versus jsp with a colleague. He noted that
although xml, xslt works well in a divided graphics/analyst/developer
big team, it eventually was scrapped for JSP. The lack of object
hierarchy and polymorphism made changes very difficult.
Can anyone provide tales of xml, xslt in a major production? (sans
company name, of course)
Thanks,
-----Original Message-----
From: Yves Vindevogel [mailto:yves.vindevogel@implements.be]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:31 PM
To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
Subject: Re: Simple example
Jeremy Ashton, who recently published a book on Cocoon, wrote a very
good "two
idots guide to Cocoon". This document is still online somewhere. I
guess
Jeremy can point it out, he's a frequent reader of this user-list.
That document gave me a lot of support and help, back in the days
> Re: Hopefully some encouragement
>
> An introductory document would prove extremely useful for the Cocoon
> cause, as it sounds great in both concept and implementation. Some of
us
> are in positions to recommend xml, xslt over the forsaken jsp, struts,
> ejb method, but cannot afford the time to master yet another complex
> st*nking framework.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Simmons [mailto:derisor@arcor.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:10 PM
> To: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Simple example
>
> Once more ? =)
>
> Its in progress. Right now beginner documentation is a little thin.
>
> -- Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefan Riegel" <do...@telig.net>
> To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Simple example
>
> > Alireza Fattahi wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > The currently cocoon web application is very complex. Is there any
>
> light
>
> > > weight example out there; some thing like blank web application in
>
> struts.
>
> > > Alireza.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in
>
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>
> > > FAQ before posting.
>
> <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html>
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail:
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> <co...@xml.apache.org>
>
> > Alireza,
> >
> > I remember my first steps with cocoon some time ago. I removed step
by
> > step lines from the sitemap until I reached a minimal hello-world
> > application. While removing lines, I did read the comments etc. I
was
>
> a
>
> > good exercise.
> >
> > I did plan doing the same with the cocoon.xconf, but I lost
patience.
> >
> > Regards
> > Stefan
> >
> >
> >
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Kind regards,
Yves Vindevogel
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Mail: yves.vindevogel@implements.be -- www.implements.be
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