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Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by Kunthar <ku...@gmx.net> on 2004/07/09 08:57:32 UTC
Re: I've officially bored of your stupid blah blahs
Guys,
Everyday nearly 120 new mail drops to this list. Should we have to
listen your important blah blahs??? Why i should define bunch of filters
at all.
Is there any moderator watches this???
Stop this and continue this lovely discussion from your private mails
please...
Shame on you cause i have to remind you that where a hell you are...
If you agree please do not response by writing some other crap, response
by showing your silence...
Gokhan
Ivan Jouikov wrote:
>What the hell are you talking about? I am all for java. Java is my #1 language.
>
>
>
>
>>Oh for crying out loud Ivan! You challanged my assertion that Java is the
>>"number one language" asking for the source of the stats and I give them
>>to you but you just go on whining. Please take your trolling somewhere
>>else. Get A LIFE. and as to C++?
>>
>>
> My trolling? I don't even know what that means. And I do have a life.
>
>
>
>>>Huge file sizes
>>>
>>>
>>I wonder what compiler, and linking options are you using? I do not have
>>a problem with my executables being "huge" at all. Then again, I don't
>>use frameworks that are inefficeint hogs. Sounds like the programmer.
>>
>>
>
> Huge file sizes was said about C++ COMPARATIVELY to C. Any program in C++ will be much bigger than exactly same program in C.
>
>
>
>>>100% guaranteed memory leaks
>>>
>>>
>>Sounds like the programmer. My code doesn't have memory leaks! Then
>>again, I know how to write disciplined code, something that quick and
>>dirty programmers can't understand. I also know how to use tools that
>>track memory leaks.
>>
>>
>
> Looks like you've never written a 600MB program.
>
>
>
>>And lo The Heavenly Father doth rest. And whilst He rest, His hand
>>accidentally brushed the keyboard and somehow keyed in the following code.
>>
>>Troller ivan = new Troller();
>>ivan.setIrrational(true);
>>ivan.setOverEmotional(true);
>>ivan.setLife(null);
>>ivan.setClue(null);
>>ivan.setThinkingStyle(Psychosis.THINKING_STYLE_BLACK_AND_WHITE);
>>
>>ivan.setDailyRoutine(new Runnable() {
>> public void run() {
>> while(ivan.awake()) {
>> Forum target = web.surfForUnsuspectingVictims();
>> if(target != null) {
>> Iterator i = target.getMessages();
>> while(i.hasNext()) {
>> ForumPosting intelligentPosting = (Posting) i.next();
>> intelligentPosting.read();
>> ForumPostingReplyFactory replyFactory =
>>ivan.getPsychoticReponseGenerator();
>> Reply reply = replyFactory.createResponse();
>> while(reply.makesSense()) {
>> reply.rant();
>> reply.bitch();
>> reply.whine();
>> reply.moan();
>> reply.saySomethingIrrational();
>> }
>> target.post(reply);
>> ivan.setIQ(ivan.getIQ() - 1);
>> }
>> }
>> }
>> ivan.slapSelf(Slap.HARD);
>> throw new IdiotTrollerException();
>> }
>>});
>>
>>ivan.run();
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hahahah :) That was a good one. You telling me to get a life and you have time to do that? BTW
>
>
>
>> Iterator i = target.getMessages();
>> while(i.hasNext()) {
>>
>>
>
>I really like how 1.5 has the for( Element e : collection ) loop. Don't you agree?
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:ivj@comcast.net]
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:29 PM
>>To: 'Tomcat Users List'
>>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the worstthingsto
>>ever happen
>>
>>
>>Ok let's settle this argument simple.
>>
>>Tonight, I'll ask my Christian Science friend to talk to Jesus, and ask
>>him the following:
>>
>>"Jesus, if EL really DOES decrease performance significantly, and should
>>not be used at all, please give me absolutely NO sign. However, if EL is
>>a great thing and should be used by everyone, please give me a sign".
>>
>>I'll report to you in the morning and let you know what was God's opinion
>>on that.
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI) [mailto:ds7867@sbc.com]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:02 PM
>>>To: Tomcat Users List
>>>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
>>>
>>>
>>worstthingsto
>>
>>
>>>ever happen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
>>>>>programming language for 4 years now?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Source of this statistic?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I assumed that this was fairly common knowledge. I remember when it
>>>surpassed C++ in Febuary of 2000 (I thought at the time in development
>>>hours). Having been a Java programmer since 1997, this was a pretty big
>>>deal for me. I even remembered the month/year it happened (which made
>>>
>>>
>>it
>>
>>
>>>easire for me to find this report). So here is the original report, a
>>>Bloor Research study from Febuary of 2000. It even has a cute little
>>>graph that plots the various languages-- http://www.bloor-
>>>research.com/research_library.php?pid=282
>>>
>>>Now that I look back at it I see that this is when the *demand* for java
>>>skills surpassed that of C++ skills. It looks like it was just March of
>>>last year
>>>(http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/edge2003/factsheet.pdf)
>>>
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>that Java actually surpassed C++ in development hours. This was of
>>>
>>>
>>course
>>
>>
>>>the eventual outcome of it's demand surpassing all other skills. The
>>>
>>>
>>data
>>
>>
>>>from this Sun press release is from the Gartner Group BTW.
>>>
>>>Java is King, there are really no "if"s, "and"s or "butt"s about it.
>>>
>>>As to your performance issues, I don't have them so I can only sugest
>>>
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>>you can examine your environement, your compiler options (are you using
>>>hotspot?) and your getters. All of my bottlenecks are in my DB calls.
>>>
>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>>have done performance analysis and never came up in my EL. As I
>>>
>>>
>>sugested
>>
>>
>>>earlier, maybe you can run hprof and see where the bottleneck really is?
>>>
>>>Also, I considered myself a fairly hardcode C++ developer (having done
>>>
>>>
>>it
>>
>>
>>>from '95 to 2002). If I am ever in a situation where my memory usage is
>>>critical, I'm almost certainly in C or C++. If performance is
>>>
>>>
>>important,
>>
>>
>>>I consider C or C++. But IPC, threading, and networking is so
>>>phenominally better on Java not to mention the benefits of garbage
>>>collection and all of it's other features that I am hard pressed to
>>>
>>>
>>leave
>>
>>
>>>it or go JNI. I did need JNI recently for some file system stuff that I
>>>wanted tweaked (traversing file systems with 100s of thousands of
>>>
>>>
>>files).
>>
>>
>>>Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>As was recognized long ago,
>>>>>performance is not everything. And in fact, means little
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>when you can't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>get your product out the door because you are still trying
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>to chase down
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> When performance dependes on whether you use <%=hello%>
>>>>or ${hello}, I'll stick with the first one, considering that
>>>>it boosts performance up by like 5 times.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As somebody else
>>>>>said, C++ programmers will understand this.
>>>>>
>>>>>Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:eric.vergnaud@jlynx.com]
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
>>>>>To: Tomcat Users List
>>>>>Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>the worstthingsto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ever happen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions а sh-solutions@gmx.net a йcrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Right now, I would say that java applications (if well
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>written) are at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>least
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>half as fast as c applications (also well written).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Which means that when your java app is in competition with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>a native app,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>youve lost the market.
>>>>>
>>>>>-------------------------------
>>>>>Eric VERGNAUD - JLynx Software
>>>>>Cutting-edge technologies and
>>>>>services for software companies
>>>>>web: http://www.jlynx.com
>>>>>-------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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RE: I've officially bored of your stupid blah blahs
Posted by Ivan Jouikov <iv...@comcast.net>.
That conversation ended about 2 days ago, I don’t know why are you bringing this up now...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kunthar [mailto:kunthar@gmx.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:58 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: I've officially bored of your stupid blah blahs
>
> Guys,
>
> Everyday nearly 120 new mail drops to this list. Should we have to
> listen your important blah blahs??? Why i should define bunch of filters
> at all.
> Is there any moderator watches this???
> Stop this and continue this lovely discussion from your private mails
> please...
> Shame on you cause i have to remind you that where a hell you are...
> If you agree please do not response by writing some other crap, response
> by showing your silence...
>
> Gokhan
>
>
>
>
>
> Ivan Jouikov wrote:
>
> >What the hell are you talking about? I am all for java. Java is my #1
> language.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Oh for crying out loud Ivan! You challanged my assertion that Java is
> the
> >>"number one language" asking for the source of the stats and I give them
> >>to you but you just go on whining. Please take your trolling somewhere
> >>else. Get A LIFE. and as to C++?
> >>
> >>
> > My trolling? I don't even know what that means. And I do have a
> life.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>Huge file sizes
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I wonder what compiler, and linking options are you using? I do not
> have
> >>a problem with my executables being "huge" at all. Then again, I don't
> >>use frameworks that are inefficeint hogs. Sounds like the programmer.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Huge file sizes was said about C++ COMPARATIVELY to C. Any program
> in C++ will be much bigger than exactly same program in C.
> >
> >
> >
> >>>100% guaranteed memory leaks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Sounds like the programmer. My code doesn't have memory leaks! Then
> >>again, I know how to write disciplined code, something that quick and
> >>dirty programmers can't understand. I also know how to use tools that
> >>track memory leaks.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Looks like you've never written a 600MB program.
> >
> >
> >
> >>And lo The Heavenly Father doth rest. And whilst He rest, His hand
> >>accidentally brushed the keyboard and somehow keyed in the following
> code.
> >>
> >>Troller ivan = new Troller();
> >>ivan.setIrrational(true);
> >>ivan.setOverEmotional(true);
> >>ivan.setLife(null);
> >>ivan.setClue(null);
> >>ivan.setThinkingStyle(Psychosis.THINKING_STYLE_BLACK_AND_WHITE);
> >>
> >>ivan.setDailyRoutine(new Runnable() {
> >> public void run() {
> >> while(ivan.awake()) {
> >> Forum target = web.surfForUnsuspectingVictims();
> >> if(target != null) {
> >> Iterator i = target.getMessages();
> >> while(i.hasNext()) {
> >> ForumPosting intelligentPosting = (Posting)
> i.next();
> >> intelligentPosting.read();
> >> ForumPostingReplyFactory replyFactory =
> >>ivan.getPsychoticReponseGenerator();
> >> Reply reply = replyFactory.createResponse();
> >> while(reply.makesSense()) {
> >> reply.rant();
> >> reply.bitch();
> >> reply.whine();
> >> reply.moan();
> >> reply.saySomethingIrrational();
> >> }
> >> target.post(reply);
> >> ivan.setIQ(ivan.getIQ() - 1);
> >> }
> >> }
> >> }
> >> ivan.slapSelf(Slap.HARD);
> >> throw new IdiotTrollerException();
> >> }
> >>});
> >>
> >>ivan.run();
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hahahah :) That was a good one. You telling me to get a life and
> you have time to do that? BTW
> >
> >
> >
> >> Iterator i = target.getMessages();
> >> while(i.hasNext()) {
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I really like how 1.5 has the for( Element e : collection ) loop. Don't
> you agree?
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Ivan Jouikov [mailto:ivj@comcast.net]
> >>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:29 PM
> >>To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> >>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
> worstthingsto
> >>ever happen
> >>
> >>
> >>Ok let's settle this argument simple.
> >>
> >>Tonight, I'll ask my Christian Science friend to talk to Jesus, and ask
> >>him the following:
> >>
> >>"Jesus, if EL really DOES decrease performance significantly, and should
> >>not be used at all, please give me absolutely NO sign. However, if EL
> is
> >>a great thing and should be used by everyone, please give me a sign".
> >>
> >>I'll report to you in the morning and let you know what was God's
> opinion
> >>on that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: SANTOS, DANIEL (SBCSI) [mailto:ds7867@sbc.com]
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 4:02 PM
> >>>To: Tomcat Users List
> >>>Subject: RE: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>worstthingsto
> >>
> >>
> >>>ever happen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>If this is the case then I ask you why Java has been the number one
> >>>>>programming language for 4 years now?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Source of this statistic?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I assumed that this was fairly common knowledge. I remember when it
> >>>surpassed C++ in Febuary of 2000 (I thought at the time in development
> >>>hours). Having been a Java programmer since 1997, this was a pretty
> big
> >>>deal for me. I even remembered the month/year it happened (which made
> >>>
> >>>
> >>it
> >>
> >>
> >>>easire for me to find this report). So here is the original report, a
> >>>Bloor Research study from Febuary of 2000. It even has a cute little
> >>>graph that plots the various languages-- http://www.bloor-
> >>>research.com/research_library.php?pid=282
> >>>
> >>>Now that I look back at it I see that this is when the *demand* for
> java
> >>>skills surpassed that of C++ skills. It looks like it was just March
> of
> >>>last year
> >>>(http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/media/presskits/edge2003/factsheet.pdf)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>that
> >>
> >>
> >>>that Java actually surpassed C++ in development hours. This was of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>course
> >>
> >>
> >>>the eventual outcome of it's demand surpassing all other skills. The
> >>>
> >>>
> >>data
> >>
> >>
> >>>from this Sun press release is from the Gartner Group BTW.
> >>>
> >>>Java is King, there are really no "if"s, "and"s or "butt"s about it.
> >>>
> >>>As to your performance issues, I don't have them so I can only sugest
> >>>
> >>>
> >>that
> >>
> >>
> >>>you can examine your environement, your compiler options (are you using
> >>>hotspot?) and your getters. All of my bottlenecks are in my DB calls.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I
> >>
> >>
> >>>have done performance analysis and never came up in my EL. As I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>sugested
> >>
> >>
> >>>earlier, maybe you can run hprof and see where the bottleneck really
> is?
> >>>
> >>>Also, I considered myself a fairly hardcode C++ developer (having done
> >>>
> >>>
> >>it
> >>
> >>
> >>>from '95 to 2002). If I am ever in a situation where my memory usage
> is
> >>>critical, I'm almost certainly in C or C++. If performance is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>important,
> >>
> >>
> >>>I consider C or C++. But IPC, threading, and networking is so
> >>>phenominally better on Java not to mention the benefits of garbage
> >>>collection and all of it's other features that I am hard pressed to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>leave
> >>
> >>
> >>>it or go JNI. I did need JNI recently for some file system stuff that
> I
> >>>wanted tweaked (traversing file systems with 100s of thousands of
> >>>
> >>>
> >>files).
> >>
> >>
> >>>Daniel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>As was recognized long ago,
> >>>>>performance is not everything. And in fact, means little
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>when you can't
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>get your product out the door because you are still trying
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>to chase down
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>memory leaks, buffer overruns and corrupted pointers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> When performance dependes on whether you use <%=hello%>
> >>>>or ${hello}, I'll stick with the first one, considering that
> >>>>it boosts performance up by like 5 times.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> As somebody else
> >>>>>said, C++ programmers will understand this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Daniel
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>>From: Eric VERGNAUD [mailto:eric.vergnaud@jlynx.com]
> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:33 AM
> >>>>>To: Tomcat Users List
> >>>>>Subject: Re: I've officially decided that JSTL is one of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>the worstthingsto
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>ever happen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>le 4/07/04 14:27, SH Solutions а sh-solutions@gmx.net a йcrit :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Right now, I would say that java applications (if well
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>written) are at
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>least
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>half as fast as c applications (also well written).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Which means that when your java app is in competition with
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>a native app,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>youve lost the market.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>-------------------------------
> >>>>>Eric VERGNAUD - JLynx Software
> >>>>>Cutting-edge technologies and
> >>>>>services for software companies
> >>>>>web: http://www.jlynx.com
> >>>>>-------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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