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Posted to dev@jena.apache.org by Phil Coates <ph...@sparqlr.com> on 2013/10/22 12:13:52 UTC
Jena Eyeball
Hi,
Is anyone actively working on Eyeball at the moment?
We're developing some applications where we'd love to use it for validation
of ontologies and for checking uploaded RDF against these ontologies
(amongst other things, e.g. SPARQL-based inspection)
If we use it, it would be handy if it was in a Maven-friendly format; if
no-one is currently doing any active development of the project, would
anyone have any objections to me Mavenizing it?
Could it then be moved over to Apache with the rest of Jena?
Many thanks,
Philip Coates
Director
Semantic Integration Ltd.
Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Mike Grove <mi...@clarkparsia.com>.
fwiw, if someone is going to update Eyeball, doing so wrt to what's been
going on in RDF validation [1] might make sense.
Cheers,
Mike
[1] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/rdf-val/
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Chris Dollin
<ch...@epimorphics.com>wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13:52 AM Phil Coates wrote:
>
> > Is anyone actively working on Eyeball at the moment?
>
> I'm [1] not actively working on it at the moment, partly because
> I'd like other people involved ...
>
> > We're developing some applications where we'd love to use it for
> validation
> > of ontologies and for checking uploaded RDF against these ontologies
> > (amongst other things, e.g. SPARQL-based inspection)
> >
> > If we use it, it would be handy if it was in a Maven-friendly format; if
> > no-one is currently doing any active development of the project, would
> > anyone have any objections to me Mavenizing it?
>
> I think that would be splendid and I'm willing to help where I can.
> Naturally I have Opinions.
>
> > Could it then be moved over to Apache with the rest of Jena?
>
> That would take a vote, I believe. There needs to be some assurance
> of long-term support, a I understand it (which seems reasonable to me).
>
> Chris
>
> [1] I'm the originator of Eyeball.
>
> --
> "It does not need to take events in their correct order."
> /Hexwood/
>
> Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
> Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20
> 6PT
> Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number
> 7016688)
>
>
Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Phil Coates <ph...@sparqlr.com>.
That's fine - the next big push for things will probably be for Java 8
anyway.
I think I found some counter-based for loops in Inspector.java, but without
looking at the tests, etc. I can't see if this is deliberate.
Well aware of the dangers of static analysis tools, but they have some uses.
On 22 October 2013 16:25, Rob Vesse <rv...@dotnetrdf.org> wrote:
> I would stick to Java 6 since that's what the rest of Jena uses and is
> still widely used in the wild
>
> Rob
>
> On 22/10/2013 15:52, "Chris Dollin" <ch...@epimorphics.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 03:40:17 PM Phil Coates wrote:
> >> Does anyone have any objections if I make a few changes:
> >>
> >> 1) reformat code style towards more standard K&R-style (basically IDE
> >> autoformat, nothing particularly controversial: e.g. 4 spaces per
> >>indent,
> >> opening curly brace on same line, etc.)
> >
> >Well, it's a despicably ugly layout, but sadly yes, go ahead. I'm inured
> >to it nowadays after using Go's gofmt ...
> >
> >> 2) Use Java 5+ where relevant (e.g. foreach, generics) - maybe even
> >>Java 7?
> >
> >*blinks* I thought Eyeball used generics and for-each and that those
> >were present in Java 5. What am I missing?
> >
> >> 3) Remove "unused" code, so things like unnecessary default
> >>constructors,
> >> etc. (checking with FindBugs, etc.)
> >
> >Take care -- I find Findbugs rather over-enthusiastic about some things.
> >
> >There's code to be taken out. I see there are still traces of the Repair
> >code (which has been abandoned).
> >
> >It would be nice to set up some kind of review process. What's
> >available with JIRA and friends?
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >--
> >"I know it was late, but Mountjoy never bothers, /Archer's
> >Goon/
> > so long as it's the full two thousand words."
> >
> >Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
> >Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol
> >BS20 6PT
> >Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number
> >7016688)
> >
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Rob Vesse <rv...@dotnetrdf.org>.
I would stick to Java 6 since that's what the rest of Jena uses and is
still widely used in the wild
Rob
On 22/10/2013 15:52, "Chris Dollin" <ch...@epimorphics.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 03:40:17 PM Phil Coates wrote:
>> Does anyone have any objections if I make a few changes:
>>
>> 1) reformat code style towards more standard K&R-style (basically IDE
>> autoformat, nothing particularly controversial: e.g. 4 spaces per
>>indent,
>> opening curly brace on same line, etc.)
>
>Well, it's a despicably ugly layout, but sadly yes, go ahead. I'm inured
>to it nowadays after using Go's gofmt ...
>
>> 2) Use Java 5+ where relevant (e.g. foreach, generics) - maybe even
>>Java 7?
>
>*blinks* I thought Eyeball used generics and for-each and that those
>were present in Java 5. What am I missing?
>
>> 3) Remove "unused" code, so things like unnecessary default
>>constructors,
>> etc. (checking with FindBugs, etc.)
>
>Take care -- I find Findbugs rather over-enthusiastic about some things.
>
>There's code to be taken out. I see there are still traces of the Repair
>code (which has been abandoned).
>
>It would be nice to set up some kind of review process. What's
>available with JIRA and friends?
>
>Chris
>
>--
>"I know it was late, but Mountjoy never bothers, /Archer's
>Goon/
> so long as it's the full two thousand words."
>
>Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
>Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol
>BS20 6PT
>Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number
>7016688)
>
Re: Re: Re: Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com>.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 03:40:17 PM Phil Coates wrote:
> Does anyone have any objections if I make a few changes:
>
> 1) reformat code style towards more standard K&R-style (basically IDE
> autoformat, nothing particularly controversial: e.g. 4 spaces per indent,
> opening curly brace on same line, etc.)
Well, it's a despicably ugly layout, but sadly yes, go ahead. I'm inured
to it nowadays after using Go's gofmt ...
> 2) Use Java 5+ where relevant (e.g. foreach, generics) - maybe even Java 7?
*blinks* I thought Eyeball used generics and for-each and that those
were present in Java 5. What am I missing?
> 3) Remove "unused" code, so things like unnecessary default constructors,
> etc. (checking with FindBugs, etc.)
Take care -- I find Findbugs rather over-enthusiastic about some things.
There's code to be taken out. I see there are still traces of the Repair
code (which has been abandoned).
It would be nice to set up some kind of review process. What's
available with JIRA and friends?
Chris
--
"I know it was late, but Mountjoy never bothers, /Archer's Goon/
so long as it's the full two thousand words."
Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20 6PT
Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number 7016688)
Re: Re: Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Phil Coates <ph...@sparqlr.com>.
Does anyone have any objections if I make a few changes:
1) reformat code style towards more standard K&R-style (basically IDE
autoformat, nothing particularly controversial: e.g. 4 spaces per indent,
opening curly brace on same line, etc.)
2) Use Java 5+ where relevant (e.g. foreach, generics) - maybe even Java 7?
3) Remove "unused" code, so things like unnecessary default constructors,
etc. (checking with FindBugs, etc.)
Thanks,
Phil
On 22 October 2013 14:44, Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 02:33:26 PM Phil Coates wrote:
> > Wow, Chris, that's fantastic!
> >
> > I'm pulling it now and will have a look :)
>
> Feel free to be rude about my use of Maven. We don't get along with
> each other well.
>
> The current POMs job is mostly to produce a stand-alone executable
> eyeball that Just Works with no classpath manipulation and a bunch
> of defaults. Producing a library artifact is a side-effect ... this is
> probably
> not What Maven Intended.
>
> Chris
>
> (Who will have to page Eyeball back in now)
>
> --
> RIP Diana Wynne Jones, 1934 - 2011.
>
> Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
> Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20
> 6PT
> Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number
> 7016688)
>
>
Re: Re: Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com>.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 02:33:26 PM Phil Coates wrote:
> Wow, Chris, that's fantastic!
>
> I'm pulling it now and will have a look :)
Feel free to be rude about my use of Maven. We don't get along with
each other well.
The current POMs job is mostly to produce a stand-alone executable
eyeball that Just Works with no classpath manipulation and a bunch
of defaults. Producing a library artifact is a side-effect ... this is probably
not What Maven Intended.
Chris
(Who will have to page Eyeball back in now)
--
RIP Diana Wynne Jones, 1934 - 2011.
Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20 6PT
Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number 7016688)
Re: Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Phil Coates <ph...@sparqlr.com>.
Wow, Chris, that's fantastic!
I'm pulling it now and will have a look :)
On 22 October 2013 14:26, Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 01:54:37 PM Chris Dollin wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13:52 AM Phil Coates wrote:
>
> > > If we use it, it would be handy if it was in a Maven-friendly format;
> if
> > > no-one is currently doing any active development of the project, would
> > > anyone have any objections to me Mavenizing it?
> >
> > I think that would be splendid and I'm willing to help where I can.
>
> (Fuzzy memories arise)
>
> In fact I'm so willing I already have (locally) a mavenised Eyeball!
>
> (fx:searching) Oct 2012 ... Nov 2012 ...
>
> Ah, that's the latest. There's a repo in Scratch:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Scratch/Eyeball/trunk
>
> with the end-of-2012 Eyeball code in it. The plan was
> to kick this into shape and put it appropriately into the main repo.
> Once we have an as-it-stands Eyeball we could think about suitable
> extensions (and taking account of the validation stuff that Mike
> Grove pointed to).
>
> Let the kicking commence ...
>
> Chris
>
> --
> RIP Diana Wynne Jones, 1934 - 2011.
>
> Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
> Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20
> 6PT
> Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number
> 7016688)
>
>
Re: Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com>.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 01:54:37 PM Chris Dollin wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13:52 AM Phil Coates wrote:
> > If we use it, it would be handy if it was in a Maven-friendly format; if
> > no-one is currently doing any active development of the project, would
> > anyone have any objections to me Mavenizing it?
>
> I think that would be splendid and I'm willing to help where I can.
(Fuzzy memories arise)
In fact I'm so willing I already have (locally) a mavenised Eyeball!
(fx:searching) Oct 2012 ... Nov 2012 ...
Ah, that's the latest. There's a repo in Scratch:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Scratch/Eyeball/trunk
with the end-of-2012 Eyeball code in it. The plan was
to kick this into shape and put it appropriately into the main repo.
Once we have an as-it-stands Eyeball we could think about suitable
extensions (and taking account of the validation stuff that Mike
Grove pointed to).
Let the kicking commence ...
Chris
--
RIP Diana Wynne Jones, 1934 - 2011.
Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20 6PT
Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number 7016688)
Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 22/10/13 13:54, Chris Dollin wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13:52 AM Phil Coates wrote:
...
>> Could it then be moved over to Apache with the rest of Jena?
>
> That would take a vote, I believe.
Not need in this case because it was covered by the HP Software Grant
that moved the code from SourceForge to Apache and is already here.
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Import/Jena-CVS/Eyeball/
It is not in state where it can be released as-is : it does need some
cleaning up : bring uptodate with Jena, the build, legal (what
dependecies does it have?) and a release.
Andy
Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Phil Coates <ph...@sparqlr.com>.
Great, where should I start?
I can pull a version of the source from https://svn.apache.org/repos/**
asf/jena/Import/Jena-CVS/**Eyeball/<https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jena/Import/Jena-CVS/Eyeball/>
into
GitHub and work on a simple migration of v2.3 from Ant to Maven there
(should the version go to 2.3.1 or something?) or do you have a preferred
repo location/SCM for doing this?
We could then look at the latest (2012) validation changes and see
where/how these can be implemented in future,
Thanks,
Phil.
On 22 October 2013 13:54, Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13:52 AM Phil Coates wrote:
>
> > Is anyone actively working on Eyeball at the moment?
>
> I'm [1] not actively working on it at the moment, partly because
> I'd like other people involved ...
>
> > We're developing some applications where we'd love to use it for
> validation
> > of ontologies and for checking uploaded RDF against these ontologies
> > (amongst other things, e.g. SPARQL-based inspection)
> >
> > If we use it, it would be handy if it was in a Maven-friendly format; if
> > no-one is currently doing any active development of the project, would
> > anyone have any objections to me Mavenizing it?
>
> I think that would be splendid and I'm willing to help where I can.
> Naturally I have Opinions.
>
> > Could it then be moved over to Apache with the rest of Jena?
>
> That would take a vote, I believe. There needs to be some assurance
> of long-term support, a I understand it (which seems reasonable to me).
>
> Chris
>
> [1] I'm the originator of Eyeball.
>
> --
> "It does not need to take events in their correct order."
> /Hexwood/
>
> Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
> Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20
> 6PT
> Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number
> 7016688)
>
>
Re: Jena Eyeball
Posted by Chris Dollin <ch...@epimorphics.com>.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13:52 AM Phil Coates wrote:
> Is anyone actively working on Eyeball at the moment?
I'm [1] not actively working on it at the moment, partly because
I'd like other people involved ...
> We're developing some applications where we'd love to use it for validation
> of ontologies and for checking uploaded RDF against these ontologies
> (amongst other things, e.g. SPARQL-based inspection)
>
> If we use it, it would be handy if it was in a Maven-friendly format; if
> no-one is currently doing any active development of the project, would
> anyone have any objections to me Mavenizing it?
I think that would be splendid and I'm willing to help where I can.
Naturally I have Opinions.
> Could it then be moved over to Apache with the rest of Jena?
That would take a vote, I believe. There needs to be some assurance
of long-term support, a I understand it (which seems reasonable to me).
Chris
[1] I'm the originator of Eyeball.
--
"It does not need to take events in their correct order." /Hexwood/
Epimorphics Ltd, http://www.epimorphics.com
Registered address: Court Lodge, 105 High Street, Portishead, Bristol BS20 6PT
Epimorphics Ltd. is a limited company registered in England (number 7016688)