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Posted to user@xmlbeans.apache.org by Elvis Stansvik <el...@gmail.com> on 2013/07/22 19:28:57 UTC
Project still maintained?
Hi folks,
I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1].
None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been
commented on by a commiter/maintainer.
Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.
So my question is: Is the project still maintained?
Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use XMLBeans
and like it a lot.
Best regards,
Elvis Stansvik
[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
RE: Project still maintained?
Posted by Paul Gillen <pa...@gmail.com>.
The spirit is willing but the coding skills are weak.
Cordially,
Paul Gillen
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Burch [mailto:apache@gagravarr.org]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 2:00 PM
To: user@xmlbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Project still maintained?
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Michael Bishop wrote:
> This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable
> product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues
> that we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that
> future releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't
> appear to be the case.
The project is set to go to the attic as there aren't enough people around
(on the current PMC) to help maintain it.
If there are new volunteers to help look after it, then it could be saved
from the attic! If you might be interested in this role, now might be the
time to read through the resources on http://www.apache.org/dev/ to work out
what you'd be getting yourself in for, then put yourself forward
Nick
(Who's not on the XMLBeans PMC, but is on other ones)
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Re: Project still maintained?
Posted by Michael Bishop <bi...@gmail.com>.
If I knew the first thing about most of the issues, I'd be more help.
XMLBeans has helped me learn a few things about XML and schemas in general.
Most of our issues are "high level"; i.e., not just minor bug fixes. For
those interested:
- Documentation on getting XMLBeans to run on the NetBeans platform and/or
an OSGi container would be helpful. With JARs in different modules,
XMLBeans can't find dependent libraries (i.e., finding Saxon to do XPath
queries).
- XMLBeans is advertised as DOM Level 2 compliant, but that doesn't seem to
include the DOM Level 2 event model. In the grand scheme of things, there's
no way I'm aware of to listen for add/edit/remove events in XMLBeans. We've
ended up writing our own and firing the events as needed.
- XML Digital Signatures requires that ID attributes be identified as xs:ID
attributes in the schema. XMLBeans' DOM doesn't support this as it's a DOM
Level 3 feature. Digitally signing documents requires us to reparse the
document as DOM.
If I had the ability to address some of these issues or even provide
guidance, I'd do so. My knowledge to date is that of an end user; I
understand the problem, but not a path to the solution.
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Nick Burch <ap...@gagravarr.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Michael Bishop wrote:
>
>> This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable
>> product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues that
>> we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that future
>> releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't appear to be
>> the case.
>>
>
> The project is set to go to the attic as there aren't enough people around
> (on the current PMC) to help maintain it.
>
> If there are new volunteers to help look after it, then it could be saved
> from the attic! If you might be interested in this role, now might be the
> time to read through the resources on http://www.apache.org/dev/ to work
> out what you'd be getting yourself in for, then put yourself forward
>
> Nick
> (Who's not on the XMLBeans PMC, but is on other ones)
>
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Re: Project still maintained?
Posted by Nick Burch <ap...@gagravarr.org>.
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Michael Bishop wrote:
> This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable
> product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues
> that we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that
> future releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't
> appear to be the case.
The project is set to go to the attic as there aren't enough people around
(on the current PMC) to help maintain it.
If there are new volunteers to help look after it, then it could be saved
from the attic! If you might be interested in this role, now might be the
time to read through the resources on http://www.apache.org/dev/ to work
out what you'd be getting yourself in for, then put yourself forward
Nick
(Who's not on the XMLBeans PMC, but is on other ones)
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Re: Project still maintained?
Posted by Peter Keller <pk...@globalphasing.com>.
On Mon, 2013-07-22 at 14:16 -0500, jzhang@ximpleware.com wrote:
> I think vtd-xml is quite comparable to xml bean,...
Looking at the vtd-xml web site on sourceforge, I am struggling to see
much similarity with XMLBeans beyond the superficial one that they both
operate on XML-format data. From my point of view the most significant
difference is that XMLBeans generates a domain-specific API from XML
Schemata, which is done before any XML data can be processed. vtd-xml
presents a generic API to parse and index XML data directly, without
reference to any user/developer-written external entities that define
the structure of the XML data.
Put another way, XMLBeans is all about data integrity, strong and static
typing, validation against external domain-specific data definitions,
and access paths to data that are derived from those external
definitions. vtd-xml is all about efficiency and optimising generic
access to XML data.
Another difference is that in order to distribute applications using
vtd-xml under a non-GPL licence you have to get a commercial licence
from XimpleWare. XMLBeans is distributed under the Apache licence which
is much more permissive.
>
>
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> Re: Project still maintained?
>
>
> This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no
> comparable product out there. We're still struggling with a
> few XMLBeans issues that we've had to go to straight DOM to
> work around. I was hoping that future releases would address
> some of these issues, but it doesn't appear to be the case.
Certainly, the reference JAXB implementation doesn't come close, at
least when I tried it last. I was bitten badly by the loss of typing
when every instance of a subtype of IDREF just became a reference to
java.lang.Object. XMLBeans excels in its handling of this kind of thing.
The last time I looked around, the closest thing that I found to
XMLBeans was EclipseLink MOXy. IIRC one of the MOXy developers pointed
out the similarity on this list. Having said that, I fully agree with
others on this thread that it is a real pity that XMLBeans has reached
this state, and would much prefer to see it remain live and at least
maintained, even without development of new features. I don't have a
huge amount of time or advanced expertise to contribute right now,
ironically this is partly because we are just starting a new project
that uses XMLBeans. Porting earlier XMLBeans work to something like MOXy
for this project would be a big task. Also, if I understand the
situation correctly, it would introduce requirements for Eclipse
components at the build stage that use MOXy. These requirements don't
exist with XMLBeans: I can build the API+extensions and bundle them up
with nothing more than a JDK and Saxon, together with ant or some basic
scripting.
I am sure that I could find some time to make a few contributions at the
coding/debugging level. Like others, I have my pet gripes that I would
like to see fixed (such as support for covariant return types that I
have to work around in awful hacky ways, and better handling of
Extension Interfaces). The timing is very bad for me to even consider
taking on a substantial role though.
Regards,
Peter.
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Re: Project still maintained?
Posted by jz...@ximpleware.com.
I think vtd-xml is quite comparable to xml bean,...
----- Original Message -----
From: user@xmlbeans.apache.org
To:
Cc:
Sent:Mon, 22 Jul 2013 13:46:37 -0400
Subject:Re: Project still maintained?
This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable
product out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues
that we've had to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that
future releases would address some of these issues, but it doesn't
appear to be the case.
Michael
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Elvis Stansvik wrote:
2013/7/22 Jacob Danner
Hi Elvis,The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the
attichttp://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
[3]
Ah I should have suspected that. That's bad news to me, but
understandable. I had a small patch I was hoping to get into a 2.6.1
release.
Thanks for the quick response.
Elvis
-jacobd
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik wrote:
Hi folks,
I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503)
[1]. None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have
been commented on by a commiter/maintainer.
Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.
So my question is: Is the project still maintained?
Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use
XMLBeans and like it a lot.
Best regards,Elvis Stansvik
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
[5]
Links:
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[1] mailto:elvstone@gmail.com
[2] mailto:jacob.danner@gmail.com
[3]
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
[4] mailto:elvstone@gmail.com
[5]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
Re: Project still maintained?
Posted by Michael Bishop <bi...@gmail.com>.
This is awfully unfortunate. To my knowledge, there's no comparable product
out there. We're still struggling with a few XMLBeans issues that we've had
to go to straight DOM to work around. I was hoping that future releases
would address some of these issues, but it doesn't appear to be the case.
Michael
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Elvis Stansvik <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013/7/22 Jacob Danner <ja...@gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Elvis,
>> The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
>>
>
> Ah I should have suspected that. That's bad news to me, but
> understandable. I had a small patch I was hoping to get into a 2.6.1
> release.
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> Elvis
>
>
>> -jacobd
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik <el...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1].
>>> None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been
>>> commented on by a commiter/maintainer.
>>>
>>> Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
>>> description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
>>> patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.
>>>
>>> So my question is: Is the project still maintained?
>>>
>>> Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use
>>> XMLBeans and like it a lot.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Elvis Stansvik
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Project still maintained?
Posted by Elvis Stansvik <el...@gmail.com>.
2013/7/22 Jacob Danner <ja...@gmail.com>
> Hi Elvis,
> The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
>
Ah I should have suspected that. That's bad news to me, but understandable.
I had a small patch I was hoping to get into a 2.6.1 release.
Thanks for the quick response.
Elvis
> -jacobd
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik <el...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1].
>> None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been
>> commented on by a commiter/maintainer.
>>
>> Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
>> description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
>> patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.
>>
>> So my question is: Is the project still maintained?
>>
>> Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use
>> XMLBeans and like it a lot.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Elvis Stansvik
>>
>> [1]
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
>>
>
>
RE: Project still maintained?
Posted by Paul Gillen <pa...@gmail.com>.
Once again simplicity, utility, and elegance lose out.
Cordially,
Paul Gillen
_____
From: Jacob Danner [mailto:jacob.danner@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:38 PM
To: user@xmlbeans.apache.org
Subject: Re: Project still maintained?
Hi Elvis,
The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
-jacobd
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1]. None
of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been commented
on by a commiter/maintainer.
Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good description,
or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual patches. One of
them seems to be a dupe.
So my question is: Is the project still maintained?
Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use XMLBeans
and like it a lot.
Best regards,
Elvis Stansvik
[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20
created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%
20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
Re: Project still maintained?
Posted by Jacob Danner <ja...@gmail.com>.
Hi Elvis,
The XMLBeans project is in the process of moving to the attic
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40xmlbeans.apache.org/msg02815.html
-jacobd
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Elvis Stansvik <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I had a look at the bugs reported over the past 6 months (496-503) [1].
> None of these 7 bugs have been assigned to anyone, and none have been
> commented on by a commiter/maintainer.
>
> Most of them are fairly well described and have test cases/good
> description, or at least an idea of a fix. Two of them include actual
> patches. One of them seems to be a dupe.
>
> So my question is: Is the project still maintained?
>
> Not complaining, just interested in what the status is, since use XMLBeans
> and like it a lot.
>
> Best regards,
> Elvis Stansvik
>
> [1]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20XMLBEANS%20AND%20created%20%3E%3D%202013-01-01%20AND%20created%20%3C%3D%202013-07-22%20ORDER%20BY%20created%20DESC%2C%20key%20DESC
>