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Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
newsletter for some time. The goal is to increase the connection between
projects/committers and the larger Apache Software Foundation. As we
grow larger, it becomes harder and harder for projects and individuals
to connect with what's going on across the Foundation as a whole. To
Develop Community, you might say, since that's what we're supposed to be
doing here.
As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
committers every two months (perhaps more often, perhaps less often, as
we judge the reaction of our community) letting them know about upcoming
events, important community news, and committer resources that they may
be unaware of.
My draft for the April newsletter is here -
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dob08BhWVXMs9mThx1A_kcR9h0vY3Hsr4Q07Fu5UU0s/edit
- and I encourage you to have a look, make comments, and if you're
interested, I'll invite you to edit it.
I am sure that some people will feel that this is spammy, and that many
will delete it unread. But based on conversations at the last several
ApacheCons, I am confident that most of our community will appreciate
the information, and will find it an opportunity to increase their
cross-Foundation participation.
I don't have a firm deadline on this, but I was thinking perhaps April
5th might be a good date. Wednesdays tend to be good newsletter days,
according to people that know about stuff like that.
--
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
> On 2017-04-04, at 02:44, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>> ...As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
>> committers every two months..
>
> I like the idea (especially if you're doing the work ;-) and suggest
> publishing these newsletters under https://blogs.apache.org/comdev/ in
> a specific category as well. This helps write the history of the ASF,
> over time.
>
> -Bertrand
Just to understand more fully, and usual apologies if this has been already said, but this fine newsletter would:
a) not have a regular editor; and
b) would be like a blog.
The point being that if it needs an editor then it would obviously have a more terminal existence; a community-contributed blog, however, less so. (Community contributed meaning a set of all those entitled to contribute.) I raise this obvious point because I've initiated enough such newsletters and related efforts.
louis
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> ...As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
> committers every two months..
I like the idea (especially if you're doing the work ;-) and suggest
publishing these newsletters under https://blogs.apache.org/comdev/ in
a specific category as well. This helps write the history of the ASF,
over time.
-Bertrand
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
Brilliant suggestion. Will do.
On Apr 3, 2017 06:10, "Sharan Foga" <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
Hi Rich
I think it might be good to tie this in with some of the feedback from the
committer survey. Whenever people receive an email, the first questions
tend to be why am I getting this and why should I read it? So tying this
into something that came from the committers themselves could help.
It's good to see that there is an intro about why you are sending it, so
perhaps it could also link it the fact that some of the feedback from the
committer survey supports us trying to engage with the committer group more.
- At least one committer not knowing that we have annual Apachecon
conferences in the US and Europe
- Committers saying that they want to build relationships across projects
- Committers saying they want to meetup
- Committers asking for more integrated committer related resources
I've been quite conscious of posting messages out to the committer group
and you'll note that all the committer survey feedback was posted on ComDev
not on the committers list. So I think that there is also an opportunity to
use this newsletter to feed that information back into the committer group.
Thanks
Sharan
On 2017-03-31 15:07 (+0200), Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
> newsletter for some time. The goal is to increase the connection between
> projects/committers and the larger Apache Software Foundation. As we
> grow larger, it becomes harder and harder for projects and individuals
> to connect with what's going on across the Foundation as a whole. To
> Develop Community, you might say, since that's what we're supposed to be
> doing here.
>
> As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
> committers every two months (perhaps more often, perhaps less often, as
> we judge the reaction of our community) letting them know about upcoming
> events, important community news, and committer resources that they may
> be unaware of.
>
> My draft for the April newsletter is here -
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dob08BhWVXMs9mThx1A_
kcR9h0vY3Hsr4Q07Fu5UU0s/edit
> - and I encourage you to have a look, make comments, and if you're
> interested, I'll invite you to edit it.
>
> I am sure that some people will feel that this is spammy, and that many
> will delete it unread. But based on conversations at the last several
> ApacheCons, I am confident that most of our community will appreciate
> the information, and will find it an opportunity to increase their
> cross-Foundation participation.
>
> I don't have a firm deadline on this, but I was thinking perhaps April
> 5th might be a good date. Wednesdays tend to be good newsletter days,
> according to people that know about stuff like that.
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
>
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Sharan Foga <sh...@apache.org>.
Hi Rich
I think it might be good to tie this in with some of the feedback from the committer survey. Whenever people receive an email, the first questions tend to be why am I getting this and why should I read it? So tying this into something that came from the committers themselves could help.
It's good to see that there is an intro about why you are sending it, so perhaps it could also link it the fact that some of the feedback from the committer survey supports us trying to engage with the committer group more.
- At least one committer not knowing that we have annual Apachecon conferences in the US and Europe
- Committers saying that they want to build relationships across projects
- Committers saying they want to meetup
- Committers asking for more integrated committer related resources
I've been quite conscious of posting messages out to the committer group and you'll note that all the committer survey feedback was posted on ComDev not on the committers list. So I think that there is also an opportunity to use this newsletter to feed that information back into the committer group.
Thanks
Sharan
On 2017-03-31 15:07 (+0200), Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
> newsletter for some time. The goal is to increase the connection between
> projects/committers and the larger Apache Software Foundation. As we
> grow larger, it becomes harder and harder for projects and individuals
> to connect with what's going on across the Foundation as a whole. To
> Develop Community, you might say, since that's what we're supposed to be
> doing here.
>
> As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
> committers every two months (perhaps more often, perhaps less often, as
> we judge the reaction of our community) letting them know about upcoming
> events, important community news, and committer resources that they may
> be unaware of.
>
> My draft for the April newsletter is here -
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dob08BhWVXMs9mThx1A_kcR9h0vY3Hsr4Q07Fu5UU0s/edit
> - and I encourage you to have a look, make comments, and if you're
> interested, I'll invite you to edit it.
>
> I am sure that some people will feel that this is spammy, and that many
> will delete it unread. But based on conversations at the last several
> ApacheCons, I am confident that most of our community will appreciate
> the information, and will find it an opportunity to increase their
> cross-Foundation participation.
>
> I don't have a firm deadline on this, but I was thinking perhaps April
> 5th might be a good date. Wednesdays tend to be good newsletter days,
> according to people that know about stuff like that.
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
>
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Apr 3, 2017 02:51, "Richard Eckart de Castilho" <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 31.03.2017, at 15:07, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
> newsletter for some time.
Since it is quite some effort to produce one, it might be a good idea
to also get some idea about how well it reaches people.
Did you consider (how) to measure the impact of such a newsletter?
In an email-based newsletter, you could include a web-bug. Not sure
if such a web-bug would be preserved when the mail is archived though.
An alternative could be a blog-based newsletter with proper analytics.
It would be possible to refer to it easily from Twitter and other channels.
One of these channels could also be comitters@a.o. You could probably even
include some kind of channel-specific campaign ID to figure out if
committes@a.o. is a good channel.
Btw. apparently comitters@a.o is not an archived mailing list but an alias
[1].
Unless you want the newsletter to be a private thing going only to
committers,
having a public (blog) spot and pointing people to that might be preferable
anyway.
As you'll see in the draft, the very first parapraph points to
community.apache.org/newsletter where the archive will live.
Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 3 April 2017 at 07:51, Richard Eckart de Castilho <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> Btw. apparently comitters@a.o is not an archived mailing list but an alias [1].
As the issue implies, the mails do exist in the original mail archives:
https://mail-search.apache.org/members/private-arch/committers/
That issue is only about lists.a.o which is not currently a full
replacement for the ASF mail archives.
>
> -- Richard
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12068
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Apr 3, 2017 02:51, "Richard Eckart de Castilho" <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 31.03.2017, at 15:07, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
> newsletter for some time.
In an email-based newsletter, you could include a web-bug. Not sure
if such a web-bug would be preserved when the mail is archived though.
An alternative could be a blog-based newsletter with proper analytics.
It would be possible to refer to it easily from Twitter and other channels.
One of these channels could also be comitters@a.o. You could probably even
include some kind of channel-specific campaign ID to figure out if
committes@a.o. is a good channel.
I assume that committers is one of our lists that forbids html mail. Not
sure. I'll check into that.
Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Richard Eckart de Castilho <re...@apache.org>.
> On 31.03.2017, at 15:07, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
> newsletter for some time.
Since it is quite some effort to produce one, it might be a good idea
to also get some idea about how well it reaches people.
Did you consider (how) to measure the impact of such a newsletter?
In an email-based newsletter, you could include a web-bug. Not sure
if such a web-bug would be preserved when the mail is archived though.
An alternative could be a blog-based newsletter with proper analytics.
It would be possible to refer to it easily from Twitter and other channels.
One of these channels could also be comitters@a.o. You could probably even
include some kind of channel-specific campaign ID to figure out if
committes@a.o. is a good channel.
Btw. apparently comitters@a.o is not an archived mailing list but an alias [1].
Unless you want the newsletter to be a private thing going only to committers,
having a public (blog) spot and pointing people to that might be preferable
anyway.
Just my 2 cents,
-- Richard
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12068
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 03/31/2017 09:07 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> I don't have a firm deadline on this, but I was thinking perhaps April
> 5th might be a good date. Wednesdays tend to be good newsletter days,
> according to people that know about stuff like that.
>
Sally (VP Marketing) suggests the 12th, rather than the 5th, so that the
second edition could be posted from ApacheCon and have some juicy stuff
from there.
--
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http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 03/31/2017 11:30 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> I *thought* the policy for any email to committers@ was that it *must*
> have an alternate Reply-To address, but I can't find where it's written
> down. In Rich's newsletter case, it'd be Reply-To: dev@community here,
> and we can trust Rich to remember.
After a thorough scolding and public embarrassment the last time I
screwed that up, I do tend to remember. :-)
Yes, I would set the follow-up to dev@community
--Rich
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Great idea Rich, if you have the time to curate the content, and also
work to coordinate with the other recurring committers@ traffic (like
the monthly board email, etc.)
Katherine Marsden wrote on 3/31/17 11:20 AM:
> My only concern with this is creating a lot of followup discussion
> and chatter on committers.
Agreed. That's why you can't opt-out of committers@, unless you want to
ask infra to deactivate your committer account.
>
> Maybe make the reply-to this list and make it clear that folks need
> to subscribe here if they want to see/have followup discussions.
I *thought* the policy for any email to committers@ was that it *must*
have an alternate Reply-To address, but I can't find where it's written
down. In Rich's newsletter case, it'd be Reply-To: dev@community here,
and we can trust Rich to remember.
- Shane
>
> Thanks
>
> Katherine
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 31, 2017, at 7:34 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 03/31/2017 09:26 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The draft newsletter does not seem to have instructions for opting out.
>>> Do you plan to add that before going live?
>>
>> The intent is that this would go to committers@apache.org - a list to
>> which all committers are subscribed. There's no other list where we can
>> actually reach the audience I'm targeting - the very committers who are
>> less and less engaged with the larger Foundation with each passing year.
>>
>> Making this a separate newsletter mailing list would completely defeat
>> the purpose of the mailing.
>>
>> We also send board meeting minutes to this list, notifications of
>> upcoming events, notices of surveys, and various other messages that go
>> to the entire committership, without explicit mentions of ways to opt
>> out, other than the standard unsubscribe header.
>>
>> I'm hoping that if we make this a regular thing, the shotgun-style
>> messages to the list will decrease, and, rather, be included in a
>> regular, predictable monthly mailing, thus *reducing* rather than
>> increasing traffic on that list.
>>
>> Do you feel that an explicit opt-out mechanism is needed for this?
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>>
>
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Katherine Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
My only concern with this is creating a lot of followup discussion and chatter on committers.
Maybe make the reply-to this list and make it clear that folks need to subscribe here if they want to see/have followup discussions.
Thanks
Katherine
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 31, 2017, at 7:34 AM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On 03/31/2017 09:26 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> The draft newsletter does not seem to have instructions for opting out.
>> Do you plan to add that before going live?
>
> The intent is that this would go to committers@apache.org - a list to
> which all committers are subscribed. There's no other list where we can
> actually reach the audience I'm targeting - the very committers who are
> less and less engaged with the larger Foundation with each passing year.
>
> Making this a separate newsletter mailing list would completely defeat
> the purpose of the mailing.
>
> We also send board meeting minutes to this list, notifications of
> upcoming events, notices of surveys, and various other messages that go
> to the entire committership, without explicit mentions of ways to opt
> out, other than the standard unsubscribe header.
>
> I'm hoping that if we make this a regular thing, the shotgun-style
> messages to the list will decrease, and, rather, be included in a
> regular, predictable monthly mailing, thus *reducing* rather than
> increasing traffic on that list.
>
> Do you feel that an explicit opt-out mechanism is needed for this?
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Apr 2, 2017 02:04, "Isabel Drost-Fromm" <is...@apache.org> wrote:
First of all, I love the idea and content of this newsletter. However if
the goal is to reach committers that are less and less engaging, I wonder
how many ppl we will actually reach by sending it to a list nobody can
unsubscribe from. My reaction by being put on such lists is to simply
filter them to where I don't see their content ever again. Isn't it likely
that ppl who aren't engaging now might do the same?
I certainly hope not. My goal is to reach those people who are unaware of
what they're missing. I would like to think that most people here actually
care about community but just don't know. Do you think these people are
already filtering away the board reports and apachecon announcements?
Could be I suppose. That would be sad.
Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Isabel Drost-Fromm <is...@apache.org>.
First of all, I love the idea and content of this newsletter. However if the goal is to reach committers that are less and less engaging, I wonder how many ppl we will actually reach by sending it to a list nobody can unsubscribe from. My reaction by being put on such lists is to simply filter them to where I don't see their content ever again. Isn't it likely that ppl who aren't engaging now might do the same?
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 31 March 2017 at 15:34, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 03/31/2017 09:26 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> The draft newsletter does not seem to have instructions for opting out.
>> Do you plan to add that before going live?
>
> The intent is that this would go to committers@apache.org - a list to
> which all committers are subscribed. There's no other list where we can
> actually reach the audience I'm targeting - the very committers who are
> less and less engaged with the larger Foundation with each passing year.
>
> Making this a separate newsletter mailing list would completely defeat
> the purpose of the mailing.
>
> We also send board meeting minutes to this list, notifications of
> upcoming events, notices of surveys, and various other messages that go
> to the entire committership, without explicit mentions of ways to opt
> out, other than the standard unsubscribe header.
AFAIK it's not possible to unsubscribe from committers@ except by
ceasing to be a committer.
[Unsub might work temporarily, but the subs are regenerated at least
weekly from LDAP]
> I'm hoping that if we make this a regular thing, the shotgun-style
> messages to the list will decrease, and, rather, be included in a
> regular, predictable monthly mailing, thus *reducing* rather than
> increasing traffic on that list.
>
> Do you feel that an explicit opt-out mechanism is needed for this?
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 03/31/2017 09:26 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>
>>
>
> The draft newsletter does not seem to have instructions for opting out.
> Do you plan to add that before going live?
The intent is that this would go to committers@apache.org - a list to
which all committers are subscribed. There's no other list where we can
actually reach the audience I'm targeting - the very committers who are
less and less engaged with the larger Foundation with each passing year.
Making this a separate newsletter mailing list would completely defeat
the purpose of the mailing.
We also send board meeting minutes to this list, notifications of
upcoming events, notices of surveys, and various other messages that go
to the entire committership, without explicit mentions of ways to opt
out, other than the standard unsubscribe header.
I'm hoping that if we make this a regular thing, the shotgun-style
messages to the list will decrease, and, rather, be included in a
regular, predictable monthly mailing, thus *reducing* rather than
increasing traffic on that list.
Do you feel that an explicit opt-out mechanism is needed for this?
--
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
On 3/31/2017 6:07 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
> newsletter for some time. The goal is to increase the connection between
> projects/committers and the larger Apache Software Foundation. As we
> grow larger, it becomes harder and harder for projects and individuals
> to connect with what's going on across the Foundation as a whole. To
> Develop Community, you might say, since that's what we're supposed to be
> doing here.
>
> As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
> committers every two months (perhaps more often, perhaps less often, as
> we judge the reaction of our community) letting them know about upcoming
> events, important community news, and committer resources that they may
> be unaware of.
>
> My draft for the April newsletter is here -
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dob08BhWVXMs9mThx1A_kcR9h0vY3Hsr4Q07Fu5UU0s/edit
> - and I encourage you to have a look, make comments, and if you're
> interested, I'll invite you to edit it.
>
> I am sure that some people will feel that this is spammy, and that many
> will delete it unread. But based on conversations at the last several
> ApacheCons, I am confident that most of our community will appreciate
> the information, and will find it an opportunity to increase their
> cross-Foundation participation.
>
> I don't have a firm deadline on this, but I was thinking perhaps April
> 5th might be a good date. Wednesdays tend to be good newsletter days,
> according to people that know about stuff like that.
>
The draft newsletter does not seem to have instructions for opting out.
Do you plan to add that before going live?
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Re: Proposed: (Bi?)monthly committer newsletter
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
ok, two things.
1) I went ahead and went with the majority opinion and sent out the
inaugural newsletter. You'll hopefully see it on committers@, with
reply-to set to here.
2) The May newsletter is in
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/site/trunk/content/newsletter if
people want to help drafting next month's newsletter. It will be sent
from ApacheCon, so will have a section on the first few days of the event.
--Rich
On 03/31/2017 09:07 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> As you probably know, I have been pondering a (bi?)monthly community
> newsletter for some time. The goal is to increase the connection between
> projects/committers and the larger Apache Software Foundation. As we
> grow larger, it becomes harder and harder for projects and individuals
> to connect with what's going on across the Foundation as a whole. To
> Develop Community, you might say, since that's what we're supposed to be
> doing here.
>
> As a small way to address this, my desire is to send a newsletter to
> committers every two months (perhaps more often, perhaps less often, as
> we judge the reaction of our community) letting them know about upcoming
> events, important community news, and committer resources that they may
> be unaware of.
>
> My draft for the April newsletter is here -
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Dob08BhWVXMs9mThx1A_kcR9h0vY3Hsr4Q07Fu5UU0s/edit
> - and I encourage you to have a look, make comments, and if you're
> interested, I'll invite you to edit it.
>
> I am sure that some people will feel that this is spammy, and that many
> will delete it unread. But based on conversations at the last several
> ApacheCons, I am confident that most of our community will appreciate
> the information, and will find it an opportunity to increase their
> cross-Foundation participation.
>
> I don't have a firm deadline on this, but I was thinking perhaps April
> 5th might be a good date. Wednesdays tend to be good newsletter days,
> according to people that know about stuff like that.
>
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