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Posted to dev@avalon.apache.org by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org> on 2003/12/18 19:52:49 UTC
Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Hamilton Verissimo de Oliveira (Engenharia - SPO) wrote:
> The worst thing in the CVS is keeping folders. It's all right if a project
> wouldn't change, but I have never seen it happens.
>
> This weekend I'll change some things in the avalon# and don't like to go on
> with some zumbis directories. So I ask you: when merlin - for instance -
> evolves and packages are created/moved/removed what do you do with CVS?
>
> Yes, I know the next update will remove an empty folder from your working
> copy, but stills ugly. Is there any plan to move to subversion?
>
In the mean time try
cvs -z3 update -dP
The -d will add new directories that are on the server but not your machine,
and the P will delete the empty ones that contain nothing.
The last time we talked about subversion it needed some improvements on the
windows arena. It has improved much since then, but we have not had a chance
to try it out again.
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
>> Berin Loritsch wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes, I know the next update will remove an empty folder from your
>>>
>>
>> working
>>
>>>> copy, but stills ugly. Is there any plan to move to subversion?
>>>
>>
>>
>>> The last time we talked about subversion ...
>>
>>
>>
>> We have projects using Subversion now. Sometime in 2004, there will
>> be a
>> switch over from CVS. If people want, we can set up
>> avalon/[sandbox/]avalon-net.
>> --- Noel
>
>
> This is a vote we should have with the PMC.
This is a technical matter and as such its something the comitters decide.
Stephen.
> BTW, should we CC: the developer's
> list or just notify of the outcome?
>
>
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Timothy Bennett <ex...@comcast.net>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> We have real projects using Subversion already. We will almost certainly be
> migrating in 2004. The option on the table today was to move part of Avalon
> into Subversion, not all of it.
FWIW,
I've got a Subversion server set up on my Win2k box at work. I use
TortoiseSVN from home via VPN into my company's network to do version
control, and other team members at work use TortoiseSVN to
checkout/commit mods to the same code I work on.
So far no problems, but I'm still in the early stages of evaluating it.
Haven't done anything crazy yet like create branches, etc.
It was fairly painless to get a repository up and going with network
connectivity. However, I did take the easy way out by not using the
Apache httpd plug-in, and not setting up any kind of authentication
(anonymous logins have write permissions). I'll get into that later on
when I attempt to install a server on my Linux box.
But I just wanted to get something up an going quickly to start playing
with it.
The only real point of this post, I guess, is just to mention that I'm
attempting to play around with it.
Timothy
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Shall we have a vote?
>
> Shall the vote be on dev or pmc??
>
> Give it a break ;o)
>
> Seriously,
> Peter Royal is negative to subversion.
> Right now, I am so negative that if it goes through at this point in time,
> I'll probably volunteerly leave Avalon as quickly as I came in.
> I think some other "moderates" (as in "no more blood left") is along the same
> line.
Ok, that's fine. We will take subversion off the docket for now. I'm sure
someone will raise it again in the future--but it probably won't be me.
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deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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RE: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Peter Royal is negative to subversion.
> Right now, I am so negative that if it goes through at this point in time,
> I'll probably volunteerly leave Avalon as quickly as I came in.
Why?
>From what I saw of your comments, you had more questions than knowledge.
You praised TortoiseCVS without knowing about TortoiseSVN, then when told
about it you commented about version 0.23 ... well, Subversion itself is at
0.35 (later today). 0.35 is just about a release candidate for Subversion
1.0. Of more value would be
http://subversion.tigris.org/project_status.html. FWIW, there appears to be
one open and minor defect against TortoiseSVN.
We have real projects using Subversion already. We will almost certainly be
migrating in 2004. The option on the table today was to move part of Avalon
into Subversion, not all of it.
By the way, the Directory project committers had *exactly* the same response
to Subversion that you do. They panicked at the very thought. Then they
started planning changes, and did a very abrupt about face. Why don't you
ask them for their experiences?
-- Noel
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
Shall we have a vote?
Shall the vote be on dev or pmc??
Give it a break ;o)
Seriously,
Peter Royal is negative to subversion.
Right now, I am so negative that if it goes through at this point in time,
I'll probably volunteerly leave Avalon as quickly as I came in.
I think some other "moderates" (as in "no more blood left") is along the same
line.
Niclas
On Saturday 20 December 2003 00:45, Stephen McConnell wrote:
> Berin Loritsch wrote:
> > Stephen McConnell wrote:
> >> Bacause this is a technical subject - it does not belong on the PMC
> >> list - it belongs here.
> >
> > Actually, it is something the PMC is responsible for. Technical
> > matters that
> > the PMC has no say in are the kind that affect the CODE. Configuration
> > Management concerns such as JIRA, WIKI, and version control systems do
> > affect
> > the community in simple and profound ways--and are resources that must be
> > managed. THerefore they are PMC concerns--though they are concerns that
> > the community can add input to.
>
> Berin:
>
> There is nothing sensitive or political in this subject - it is a
> technical issue. Just as we have discussed the use of JIRA here on the
> dev list - this is where discussions on the potential of migration from
> CVS to SVN belong.
>
> Stephen.
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Stephen McConnell wrote:
>
>>
>> Bacause this is a technical subject - it does not belong on the PMC
>> list - it belongs here.
>
>
> Actually, it is something the PMC is responsible for. Technical
> matters that
> the PMC has no say in are the kind that affect the CODE. Configuration
> Management concerns such as JIRA, WIKI, and version control systems do
> affect
> the community in simple and profound ways--and are resources that must be
> managed. THerefore they are PMC concerns--though they are concerns that
> the community can add input to.
Berin:
There is nothing sensitive or political in this subject - it is a
technical issue. Just as we have discussed the use of JIRA here on the
dev list - this is where discussions on the potential of migration from
CVS to SVN belong.
Stephen.
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Stephen McConnell wrote:
>
> Bacause this is a technical subject - it does not belong on the PMC list
> - it belongs here.
Actually, it is something the PMC is responsible for. Technical matters that
the PMC has no say in are the kind that affect the CODE. Configuration
Management concerns such as JIRA, WIKI, and version control systems do affect
the community in simple and profound ways--and are resources that must be
managed. THerefore they are PMC concerns--though they are concerns that
the community can add input to.
--
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
>
>>Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We have projects using Subversion now. Sometime in 2004, there
>>>will be a switch over from CVS. If people want, we can set up
>>>avalon/[sandbox/]avalon-net.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>This is a vote we should have with the PMC. BTW, should we CC:
>>the developer's list or just notify of the outcome?
>>
>>
>
>Why not?
>
Bacause this is a technical subject - it does not belong on the PMC list
- it belongs here.
Stephen.
>For that matter, since it isn't about a human being, any reason
>not discuss it here?
>
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RE: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Berin Loritsch wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > We have projects using Subversion now. Sometime in 2004, there
> > will be a switch over from CVS. If people want, we can set up
> > avalon/[sandbox/]avalon-net.
> This is a vote we should have with the PMC. BTW, should we CC:
> the developer's list or just notify of the outcome?
Why not? For that matter, since it isn't about a human being, any reason
not discuss it here?
--- Noel
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Re: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Berin Loritsch wrote:
>
>>>Yes, I know the next update will remove an empty folder from your
>
> working
>
>>>copy, but stills ugly. Is there any plan to move to subversion?
>
>
>>The last time we talked about subversion ...
>
>
> We have projects using Subversion now. Sometime in 2004, there will be a
> switch over from CVS. If people want, we can set up
> avalon/[sandbox/]avalon-net.
> --- Noel
This is a vote we should have with the PMC. BTW, should we CC: the developer's
list or just notify of the outcome?
--
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deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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RE: How are you handling CVS/folders?
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Berin Loritsch wrote:
> > Yes, I know the next update will remove an empty folder from your
working
> > copy, but stills ugly. Is there any plan to move to subversion?
> The last time we talked about subversion ...
We have projects using Subversion now. Sometime in 2004, there will be a
switch over from CVS. If people want, we can set up
avalon/[sandbox/]avalon-net.
--- Noel
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