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Posted to dev@quickstep.apache.org by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> on 2016/05/08 21:47:41 UTC
When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Hi!
as part of my sign-off on this months' report I wanted
to get your take on how soon do you think you can
transition to ASF infrastructure 100%?
If there are still any blockers -- I'd be more than happy
to help. I really think for the next months' report we have
to fully transition.
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io>.
Thank you Julian for the info.
I've created an INFRA ticket for this.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11839
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by "Jignesh M. Patel" <ji...@pivotal.io>.
Thanks Julian. So good to have you and Roman help us through this process!
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 10, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I did a quick search and found Geode’s request: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11322 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11322>.
>
> I think you need to log a similar INFRA issue. Link it to QUICKSTEP-2 and mention me & Roman so we can follow it.
>
> Julian
>
>> On May 10, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>
>> We have a JIRA ticket QUICKSTEP-2 to track the progress of the Travis CI
>> setup. What should we do regarding the INFRA request?
>
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
I did a quick search and found Geode’s request: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11322 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-11322>.
I think you need to log a similar INFRA issue. Link it to QUICKSTEP-2 and mention me & Roman so we can follow it.
Julian
> On May 10, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> We have a JIRA ticket QUICKSTEP-2 to track the progress of the Travis CI
> setup. What should we do regarding the INFRA request?
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io>.
We have a JIRA ticket QUICKSTEP-2 to track the progress of the Travis CI
setup. What should we do regarding the INFRA request?
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io>.
Zuyu is working with Roman on this. Thanks for the tip!
Cheers
Jignesh
> On May 10, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> OK, you should log an INFRA request to get Travis set up. It shouldn’t take more than a day or two but definitely nothing will happen until you log an INFRA request. Ask the Geode folks what they had to do to set up Travis.
>
> Julian
>
>
>> On May 10, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Julian: The current workflow is to have the PRs go through Travis to make the job of the reviewer far easier. This is what is missing and slows closing PRs.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jignesh
>>
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> It’s a question of priority. Let’s not let the low priority stuff block the important stuff. Moving source control is urgent. I haven’t yet heard a reason why CI should delay moving source control.
>>>
>>>> On May 10, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Julian,
>>>>
>>>> You do make a good point, but we have a very heavy reliance on the CI and it will certainly help the transition.
>>>>
>>>> Since other Apache projects do have a Travis CI, Zuyu has reached out to Roman to see if we can set this up.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed about the points that both you and Roman are making — we do need to move fully to ASF soon. Thanks for your patience.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jignesh
>>>>
>>>>> On May 9, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>>>>>
>>>>> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
OK, you should log an INFRA request to get Travis set up. It shouldn’t take more than a day or two but definitely nothing will happen until you log an INFRA request. Ask the Geode folks what they had to do to set up Travis.
Julian
> On May 10, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> Hi Julian: The current workflow is to have the PRs go through Travis to make the job of the reviewer far easier. This is what is missing and slows closing PRs.
>
> Cheers,
> Jignesh
>
>> On May 10, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> It’s a question of priority. Let’s not let the low priority stuff block the important stuff. Moving source control is urgent. I haven’t yet heard a reason why CI should delay moving source control.
>>
>>> On May 10, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Julian,
>>>
>>> You do make a good point, but we have a very heavy reliance on the CI and it will certainly help the transition.
>>>
>>> Since other Apache projects do have a Travis CI, Zuyu has reached out to Roman to see if we can set this up.
>>>
>>> Agreed about the points that both you and Roman are making — we do need to move fully to ASF soon. Thanks for your patience.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jignesh
>>>
>>>> On May 9, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>>>>
>>>> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>>>>
>>>> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>
>>
>
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io>.
Hi Julian: The current workflow is to have the PRs go through Travis to make the job of the reviewer far easier. This is what is missing and slows closing PRs.
Cheers,
Jignesh
> On May 10, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> It’s a question of priority. Let’s not let the low priority stuff block the important stuff. Moving source control is urgent. I haven’t yet heard a reason why CI should delay moving source control.
>
>> On May 10, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Julian,
>>
>> You do make a good point, but we have a very heavy reliance on the CI and it will certainly help the transition.
>>
>> Since other Apache projects do have a Travis CI, Zuyu has reached out to Roman to see if we can set this up.
>>
>> Agreed about the points that both you and Roman are making — we do need to move fully to ASF soon. Thanks for your patience.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jignesh
>>
>>> On May 9, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>>>
>>> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>>>
>>> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>>>
>>> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>
>
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
It’s a question of priority. Let’s not let the low priority stuff block the important stuff. Moving source control is urgent. I haven’t yet heard a reason why CI should delay moving source control.
> On May 10, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> Dear Julian,
>
> You do make a good point, but we have a very heavy reliance on the CI and it will certainly help the transition.
>
> Since other Apache projects do have a Travis CI, Zuyu has reached out to Roman to see if we can set this up.
>
> Agreed about the points that both you and Roman are making — we do need to move fully to ASF soon. Thanks for your patience.
>
> Cheers,
> Jignesh
>
>> On May 9, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>>
>> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>>
>> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>>
>> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>>
>> Julian
>
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io>.
Dear Julian,
You do make a good point, but we have a very heavy reliance on the CI and it will certainly help the transition.
Since other Apache projects do have a Travis CI, Zuyu has reached out to Roman to see if we can set this up.
Agreed about the points that both you and Roman are making — we do need to move fully to ASF soon. Thanks for your patience.
Cheers,
Jignesh
> On May 9, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>
> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>
> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>
> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>
> Julian
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
Regarding getting communication onto the ASF list. Rather than waiting until the perfect moment when everyone is on the Apache list, just tell developers to stop other channels, right now. Within hours the communication will have moved to the public list.
Regarding figuring out who has submitted what agreement, there are some useful links here:
https://people.apache.org/ <https://people.apache.org/>
But remember you don’t need to sign a CLA to join the dev list. Anyone can join.
I’m not sure why Quickstep is not showing up at https://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?podling=quickstep <https://people.apache.org/phonebook.html?podling=quickstep>. Other mentors, any ideas?
Julian
> On May 9, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> I agree with the emails that moving faster is better. Working on it.
>
> Is there an easy way to see who has already signed the ICLA for Quickstep?
>
> Thanks!
> Jignesh
>
>> On May 9, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Also, how is the transition to Apache email lists going? I see a couple of commits per day going into git, and some discussion against pull requests, but no discussion on the dev list. Where is this discussion happening?
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>>>
>>> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>>>
>>> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>>>
>>> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>
>
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Jignesh Patel <ji...@pivotal.io>.
Hi Julian,
I agree with the emails that moving faster is better. Working on it.
Is there an easy way to see who has already signed the ICLA for Quickstep?
Thanks!
Jignesh
> On May 9, 2016, at 1:36 AM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Also, how is the transition to Apache email lists going? I see a couple of commits per day going into git, and some discussion against pull requests, but no discussion on the dev list. Where is this discussion happening?
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>>
>> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>>
>> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>>
>> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>>
>> Julian
>
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
Also, how is the transition to Apache email lists going? I see a couple of commits per day going into git, and some discussion against pull requests, but no discussion on the dev list. Where is this discussion happening?
> On May 8, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
>
> I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
>
> At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
>
> As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
>
> Julian
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
> On May 8, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
I disagree. It is much more important that you use ASF infrastructure for source control than for CI, and the one does not block the other.
At Calcite it took a long time before we had CI running on ASF infrastructure. We continued to use Travis-CI, which we’d used before ASF.
As Roman says, it is important for IP hygiene that commits are made directly to ASF git, and the sooner you switch over the better. I think you can do that before you transition CI.
Julian
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Zuyu Zhang <zz...@pivotal.io>.
Yes, we need fix QUICKSTEP-2 before transiting to ASF.
Cheers,
Zuyu
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Jignesh M. Patel <ji...@pivotal.io> wrote:
> Dear Roman,
>
> I think we still need 3 more weeks as the students are trying to wrap up the semester.
> As they transition to the summer, we should be able to find a few days to hold everything
> and move completely. So I'd say we should be moved over by June 3.
June 3d is not inconceivable, but I've got to ask: what is preventing
you guys to
start using ASF infra as a single source of truth today? May be if we can get
to the bottom of this -- we can start solving the issues ASAP.
> Would love to get your help in getting Travis setup before we transition.
> (I think Zuyu may have reached out to you on that).
Sure.
> Thanks for your patience!
Well, its not just a question of convenience or good practices, I see
quite a bit
of commits still flying by on GitHub and that makes me nervous re: IP
management.
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: When do you think you can fully transition to ASF infrastructure?
Posted by "Jignesh M. Patel" <ji...@pivotal.io>.
Dear Roman,
I think we still need 3 more weeks as the students are trying to wrap up the semester. As they transition to the summer, we should be able to find a few days to hold everything and move completely. So I'd say we should be moved over by June 3.
Would love to get your help in getting Travis setup before we transition. (I think Zuyu may have reached out to you on that).
Thanks for your patience!
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 8, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> as part of my sign-off on this months' report I wanted
> to get your take on how soon do you think you can
> transition to ASF infrastructure 100%?
>
> If there are still any blockers -- I'd be more than happy
> to help. I really think for the next months' report we have
> to fully transition.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.