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Source Code being used by LibreOffice
In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO
being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We
shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect
in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
Copying is one of the best form of complementing.
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Antoine Chevrier <1a...@gmail.com>.
Andrea Pescetti might wrote:
>OpenOffice is not the group that forked. It continued the OpenOffice
experience. And continued in a way that makes all code and contributions
available to all derived products. So the OpenOffice strategy is hardly
objectionable here, and it is rather clear that OpenOffice would welcome
cooperation and is not putting any barriers to it.
Agreed. Thanck you for this precision.
And ... all the same, even so, Aoo Strategy maybe should take in account
the potential maybe-to-be-checked-if-relevant fact that common end users
and some information system rules decision makers, might feel in trouble to
get 2 similar projects in front of their eyes ... and if so, then, bridge
question between Aoo and Liboo, might get a high strategy interest for both
Aoo or Liboo projects, whatever who is the official recipient of historical
OpenOffice or who is the most free or most efficient or nicest or most
sympathetic or mots reliable or any other subjective or rational reasons.
For that reason *if relevant again* , this discussion topic should maybe
not considered as "no need for further discussion on this issue ...".
One again, a relevant Game Theory Matrix, could help to define if "yes" or
"no", this topic might have an interest.
But, maybe I'm fully wrong. If so, forget what I wrote.
Freely,
Antoine
2013/6/9 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> Antoine Chevrier wrote:
>
>> if I would be one of strategic decision
>> maker of both project, I would place this on top position of decisions of
>> both project
>>
>
> OpenOffice is not the group that forked. It continued the OpenOffice
> experience. And continued in a way that makes all code and contributions
> available to all derived products. So the OpenOffice strategy is hardly
> objectionable here, and it is rather clear that OpenOffice would welcome
> cooperation and is not putting any barriers to it.
>
> For more see my presentation from November 2012:
> http://s.apache.org/**openoffice-aceu2012-day-1<http://s.apache.org/openoffice-aceu2012-day-1>
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Antoine Chevrier wrote:
> if I would be one of strategic decision
> maker of both project, I would place this on top position of decisions of
> both project
OpenOffice is not the group that forked. It continued the OpenOffice
experience. And continued in a way that makes all code and contributions
available to all derived products. So the OpenOffice strategy is hardly
objectionable here, and it is rather clear that OpenOffice would welcome
cooperation and is not putting any barriers to it.
For more see my presentation from November 2012:
http://s.apache.org/openoffice-aceu2012-day-1
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
Valid and good point! We should see from the end user point of view. The
trouble to choose from AOO and LO may keep the user away from both
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
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On 9 June 2013 12:29, Antoine Chevrier <1a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > But if its causing volunteers pain then I would express that to the PMC/
> mailing list. They don't know if you don't speak up.
>
> Hummmm ... and what about "commen end user pain" ?
> The split into Aoo and Liboo might have generated a big pain for lot of end
> users. Surely, it has generated a big pain for some users. Many, how could
> we know (a survey diffused on all user forums, opened during 6 months and
> not less, would be certainty a great tool to measure this). This split
> added to the fact Aoo and Liboo will create great innovations, each by
> their side, will increase questions for end user. When the choice of
> OpenOffice for common end users was clear before the split into the 2 big
> Aoo / Liboo forks, it became a bit less clear nowdays. And for a decision
> maker of an organization, this generates also some questions which did not
> exist before the split: which of *X*oo fork should the decision maker have
> to do ? Which of *X*oo fork will be best for common end users of its
> organization considering they work with other common end users of other
> organization where information system decision makers will take decision
> also about *X*oo fork ...
>
> All of this seems to generate some troubles and might generate more
> troubles in the future. The way to stop this appearence of trouble, would
> be to decide actions to operate on this problem of common end-users
> perception.
>
> >But honestly I don't think there is a need for further discussion of this
> issue
> Honestly, from my point of view, if I would be one of strategic decision
> maker of both project, I would place this on top position of decisions of
> both project ... seing this from the common end user view, and not from
> developper view. Just put this problem on few Games Theory Matrice
> Decision, and just tell us after, if there is no need to think of it ...
>
> All of this from my own point of view, which might be not so clever, not so
> relevant, not so aligned with the reality.
>
> If this adding comments "troll" you and the list, please tell it.
>
> Freely,
>
> Antoine
>
>
> 2013/6/7 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>
> > Samer Mansour wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 7, 2013 10:35 AM, "Kadal Amutham" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why both AOO and LO, which are open source, are required in this world?
> >>> Can
> >>> just one serve the purpose?
> >>>
> >>
> > Everybody used to be more or less happy with OpenOffice until late 2010.
> A
> > group decided to fork OpenOffice (which is perfectly allowed by the
> > license) back then and to start a separate product. I could maybe
> > understand that there is a justification for having two products, but
> I've
> > always believed that this does not imply having two communities.
> >
> >
> > But if its causing volunteers pain then I would express that to the PMC/
> >> mailing list. They don't know if you don't speak up.
> >>
> >
> > The PMC already knows. Some PMC members already collaborate (as
> > individuals) to both projects. What I would like to see happening, and
> > hasn't so far, is some form of official cooperation. For license reasons,
> > the OpenOffice code can freely be reused (and it does get reused), so
> > working on OpenOffice (code, QA, translations) automatically benefits all
> > derived programs.
> >
> > But honestly I don't think there is a need for further discussion of this
> > issue, besides what Louis wrote: the OpenOffice project should be better,
> > much better, in communicating that innovation happens at Apache (or, at
> > least, ALSO at Apache). The OpenOffice 4.0 release is an excellent
> > opportunity for this, so let's try not to miss it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea.
> >
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Antoine Chevrier <1a...@gmail.com>.
> But if its causing volunteers pain then I would express that to the PMC/
mailing list. They don't know if you don't speak up.
Hummmm ... and what about "commen end user pain" ?
The split into Aoo and Liboo might have generated a big pain for lot of end
users. Surely, it has generated a big pain for some users. Many, how could
we know (a survey diffused on all user forums, opened during 6 months and
not less, would be certainty a great tool to measure this). This split
added to the fact Aoo and Liboo will create great innovations, each by
their side, will increase questions for end user. When the choice of
OpenOffice for common end users was clear before the split into the 2 big
Aoo / Liboo forks, it became a bit less clear nowdays. And for a decision
maker of an organization, this generates also some questions which did not
exist before the split: which of *X*oo fork should the decision maker have
to do ? Which of *X*oo fork will be best for common end users of its
organization considering they work with other common end users of other
organization where information system decision makers will take decision
also about *X*oo fork ...
All of this seems to generate some troubles and might generate more
troubles in the future. The way to stop this appearence of trouble, would
be to decide actions to operate on this problem of common end-users
perception.
>But honestly I don't think there is a need for further discussion of this
issue
Honestly, from my point of view, if I would be one of strategic decision
maker of both project, I would place this on top position of decisions of
both project ... seing this from the common end user view, and not from
developper view. Just put this problem on few Games Theory Matrice
Decision, and just tell us after, if there is no need to think of it ...
All of this from my own point of view, which might be not so clever, not so
relevant, not so aligned with the reality.
If this adding comments "troll" you and the list, please tell it.
Freely,
Antoine
2013/6/7 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> Samer Mansour wrote:
>
> On Jun 7, 2013 10:35 AM, "Kadal Amutham" wrote:
>>
>>> Why both AOO and LO, which are open source, are required in this world?
>>> Can
>>> just one serve the purpose?
>>>
>>
> Everybody used to be more or less happy with OpenOffice until late 2010. A
> group decided to fork OpenOffice (which is perfectly allowed by the
> license) back then and to start a separate product. I could maybe
> understand that there is a justification for having two products, but I've
> always believed that this does not imply having two communities.
>
>
> But if its causing volunteers pain then I would express that to the PMC/
>> mailing list. They don't know if you don't speak up.
>>
>
> The PMC already knows. Some PMC members already collaborate (as
> individuals) to both projects. What I would like to see happening, and
> hasn't so far, is some form of official cooperation. For license reasons,
> the OpenOffice code can freely be reused (and it does get reused), so
> working on OpenOffice (code, QA, translations) automatically benefits all
> derived programs.
>
> But honestly I don't think there is a need for further discussion of this
> issue, besides what Louis wrote: the OpenOffice project should be better,
> much better, in communicating that innovation happens at Apache (or, at
> least, ALSO at Apache). The OpenOffice 4.0 release is an excellent
> opportunity for this, so let's try not to miss it.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Samer Mansour wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2013 10:35 AM, "Kadal Amutham" wrote:
>> Why both AOO and LO, which are open source, are required in this world? Can
>> just one serve the purpose?
Everybody used to be more or less happy with OpenOffice until late 2010.
A group decided to fork OpenOffice (which is perfectly allowed by the
license) back then and to start a separate product. I could maybe
understand that there is a justification for having two products, but
I've always believed that this does not imply having two communities.
> But if its causing volunteers pain then I would express that to the PMC/
> mailing list. They don't know if you don't speak up.
The PMC already knows. Some PMC members already collaborate (as
individuals) to both projects. What I would like to see happening, and
hasn't so far, is some form of official cooperation. For license
reasons, the OpenOffice code can freely be reused (and it does get
reused), so working on OpenOffice (code, QA, translations) automatically
benefits all derived programs.
But honestly I don't think there is a need for further discussion of
this issue, besides what Louis wrote: the OpenOffice project should be
better, much better, in communicating that innovation happens at Apache
(or, at least, ALSO at Apache). The OpenOffice 4.0 release is an
excellent opportunity for this, so let's try not to miss it.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Samer Mansour <sa...@gmail.com>.
This has been brought up before.
Organizations back each project with possibly different interest or man
hours.
Its really up to each organization to come together if their interests are
in line with one another's.
Also i don't know if they have been approached to consider coming back
together since Oracle donated code base to Apache. If its in our interest I
would expect the PMC to formally approach LO. Its not our call as
committers. Because nothing stops us from committing to both.
But if its causing volunteers pain then I would express that to the PMC/
mailing list. They don't know if you don't speak up.
Samer
On Jun 7, 2013 10:35 AM, "Kadal Amutham" <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have gone through the licence document. I am having
> another fundamental question w.r.t LO and AOO.
>
> Why both AOO and LO, which are open source, are required in this world? Can
> just one serve the purpose? Both the group of volunteers are making wheels
> of same specification.
>
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 7 June 2013 19:47, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thanks Mr. Dave for clarification. Is the policy statement in line with
> > > this discussion in the thread? Can you give the link of the policy
> > > statement?
> > >
> >
> > Apache policy on releases is here:
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
> >
> > But that policy only concerns what we do at Apache, within Apache
> > projects. The rights and responsibilities of those who use our
> > releases (including the source code in our releases) is set out in the
> > license:
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html
> >
> > But beyond policy and license there are the unwritten rules and
> > expectations of how open source communities behave. These are
> > cultural values, things like the sharing (rather than "hoarding"), of
> > giving proper recognition/credit for contributions, etc.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > With Warm Regards
> > >
> > > V.Kadal Amutham
> > > 919444360480
> > > 914422396480
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7 June 2013 18:22, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> There is a policy in place for the whole of the Apache Software
> > Foundation
> > >> and that is the Apache License 2.0.
> > >>
> > >> If we want to have a statement then we can clearly state that this
> > allows
> > >> reuse so long as trademarks, other included licenses and copyrights
> are
> > >> respected.
> > >>
> > >> This is why we have a NOTICE and LICENSE in all of our releases.
> > >>
> > >> When we vote on a release we are saying that this is in order first.
> > That
> > >> the software works is secondary.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse
> by
> > >> > others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website
> for
> > >> all
> > >> > to know.
> > >> >
> > >> > With Warm Regards
> > >> >
> > >> > V.Kadal Amutham
> > >> > 919444360480
> > >> > 914422396480
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the
> > >> movie
> > >> >> is
> > >> >>> "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a
> > short
> > >> >>> film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of
> bread
> > >> >> from a
> > >> >>> bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills
> > the
> > >> >>> father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world
> is
> > >> very
> > >> >>> bad. But we should live in righteous way"
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has
> > done
> > >> >> tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie
> and
> > >> >> Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for
> > his
> > >> >> efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight
> > of
> > >> his.
> > >> >> But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to,
> > the
> > >> >> homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
> > >> >> profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who
> > made
> > >> it
> > >> >> and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime
> in
> > >> >> Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by
> > comparison.
> > >> >> (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.)
> As a
> > >> >> result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also
> > name
> > >> >> many, many others) would make far more films each year than their
> > >> Hollywood
> > >> >> compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances.
> > (The
> > >> >> film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
> > >> >> training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry
> in
> > HK.
> > >> >> But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless
> > >> rusty.)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic
> > that's
> > >> >> been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the
> world
> > of
> > >> >> what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say
> that
> > >> >> segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs,
> > believe
> > >> >> that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is
> the
> > >> spawn
> > >> >> of something else.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest
> > about
> > >> >> one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
> > >> >> construction of community.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> louis
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> With Warm Regards
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> V.Kadal Amutham
> > >> >>> 919444360480
> > >> >>> 914422396480
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
> > luispo@gmail.com>
> > >> >>>> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community
> > feels
> > >> >> about
> > >> >>>>>> this process?
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out
> > and
> > >> as
> > >> >>>> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the
> > >> debt--and
> > >> >>>> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative
> > uses
> > >> >>>> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they
> contribute
> > >> >> back to
> > >> >>>> the project to which they are indebted.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall,
> LO
> > >> >>>> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share
> > their
> > >> >>>> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was
> > necessary to
> > >> >>>> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO
> sponsors
> > --
> > >> >>>> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or
> > cooperate.
> > >> >>>> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership
> group
> > >> >>>> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
> > >> >>>> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
> > >> >>>> privileges.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> -Rob
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
> > >> >>>> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that
> the
> > >> tech
> > >> >>>> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and
> > that
> > >> >>>> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> louis
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> With Warm Regards
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> V.Kadal Amutham
> > >> >>>>>> 919444360480
> > >> >>>>>> 914422396480
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding
> source
> > >> code
> > >> >>>> of AOO
> > >> >>>>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely
> known
> > as
> > >> it
> > >> >>>>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has
> been
> > >> >> reused.
> > >> >>>>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's
> Sidebar
> > >> work.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
> > >> >> community.
> > >> >>>> We
> > >> >>>>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What
> we
> > can
> > >> >>>> expect
> > >> >>>>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO
> community.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not
> done
> > >> very
> > >> >>>>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited
> > >> instead
> > >> >>>> of
> > >> >>>>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be
> clearer).
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>>>>> Andrea.
> > >> >>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
I have gone through the licence document. I am having
another fundamental question w.r.t LO and AOO.
Why both AOO and LO, which are open source, are required in this world? Can
just one serve the purpose? Both the group of volunteers are making wheels
of same specification.
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480
On 7 June 2013 19:47, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Mr. Dave for clarification. Is the policy statement in line with
> > this discussion in the thread? Can you give the link of the policy
> > statement?
> >
>
> Apache policy on releases is here:
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>
> But that policy only concerns what we do at Apache, within Apache
> projects. The rights and responsibilities of those who use our
> releases (including the source code in our releases) is set out in the
> license:
>
> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html
>
> But beyond policy and license there are the unwritten rules and
> expectations of how open source communities behave. These are
> cultural values, things like the sharing (rather than "hoarding"), of
> giving proper recognition/credit for contributions, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
> > With Warm Regards
> >
> > V.Kadal Amutham
> > 919444360480
> > 914422396480
> >
> >
> > On 7 June 2013 18:22, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> There is a policy in place for the whole of the Apache Software
> Foundation
> >> and that is the Apache License 2.0.
> >>
> >> If we want to have a statement then we can clearly state that this
> allows
> >> reuse so long as trademarks, other included licenses and copyrights are
> >> respected.
> >>
> >> This is why we have a NOTICE and LICENSE in all of our releases.
> >>
> >> When we vote on a release we are saying that this is in order first.
> That
> >> the software works is secondary.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by
> >> > others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for
> >> all
> >> > to know.
> >> >
> >> > With Warm Regards
> >> >
> >> > V.Kadal Amutham
> >> > 919444360480
> >> > 914422396480
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the
> >> movie
> >> >> is
> >> >>> "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a
> short
> >> >>> film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread
> >> >> from a
> >> >>> bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills
> the
> >> >>> father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is
> >> very
> >> >>> bad. But we should live in righteous way"
> >> >>
> >> >> Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has
> done
> >> >> tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and
> >> >> Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for
> his
> >> >> efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight
> of
> >> his.
> >> >> But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to,
> the
> >> >> homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
> >> >> profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who
> made
> >> it
> >> >> and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in
> >> >> Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by
> comparison.
> >> >> (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a
> >> >> result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also
> name
> >> >> many, many others) would make far more films each year than their
> >> Hollywood
> >> >> compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances.
> (The
> >> >> film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
> >> >> training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in
> HK.
> >> >> But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless
> >> rusty.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic
> that's
> >> >> been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world
> of
> >> >> what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that
> >> >> segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs,
> believe
> >> >> that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the
> >> spawn
> >> >> of something else.
> >> >>
> >> >> License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest
> about
> >> >> one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
> >> >> construction of community.
> >> >>
> >> >> louis
> >> >>>
> >> >>> With Warm Regards
> >> >>>
> >> >>> V.Kadal Amutham
> >> >>> 919444360480
> >> >>> 914422396480
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
> luispo@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community
> feels
> >> >> about
> >> >>>>>> this process?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out
> and
> >> as
> >> >>>> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the
> >> debt--and
> >> >>>> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative
> uses
> >> >>>> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute
> >> >> back to
> >> >>>> the project to which they are indebted.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
> >> >>>> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share
> their
> >> >>>> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was
> necessary to
> >> >>>> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors
> --
> >> >>>> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or
> cooperate.
> >> >>>> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
> >> >>>> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
> >> >>>> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
> >> >>>> privileges.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -Rob
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
> >> >>>> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the
> >> tech
> >> >>>> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and
> that
> >> >>>> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> louis
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> With Warm Regards
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> V.Kadal Amutham
> >> >>>>>> 919444360480
> >> >>>>>> 914422396480
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source
> >> code
> >> >>>> of AOO
> >> >>>>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known
> as
> >> it
> >> >>>>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been
> >> >> reused.
> >> >>>>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar
> >> work.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
> >> >> community.
> >> >>>> We
> >> >>>>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we
> can
> >> >>>> expect
> >> >>>>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done
> >> very
> >> >>>>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited
> >> instead
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>>> Andrea.
> >> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
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> >> >> openoffice.apache.org<
> >> >>>> marketing-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org>
> >> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.**
> >> >>>> apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Mr. Dave for clarification. Is the policy statement in line with
> this discussion in the thread? Can you give the link of the policy
> statement?
>
Apache policy on releases is here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
But that policy only concerns what we do at Apache, within Apache
projects. The rights and responsibilities of those who use our
releases (including the source code in our releases) is set out in the
license:
http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html
But beyond policy and license there are the unwritten rules and
expectations of how open source communities behave. These are
cultural values, things like the sharing (rather than "hoarding"), of
giving proper recognition/credit for contributions, etc.
Regards,
-Rob
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 7 June 2013 18:22, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is a policy in place for the whole of the Apache Software Foundation
>> and that is the Apache License 2.0.
>>
>> If we want to have a statement then we can clearly state that this allows
>> reuse so long as trademarks, other included licenses and copyrights are
>> respected.
>>
>> This is why we have a NOTICE and LICENSE in all of our releases.
>>
>> When we vote on a release we are saying that this is in order first. That
>> the software works is secondary.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by
>> > others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for
>> all
>> > to know.
>> >
>> > With Warm Regards
>> >
>> > V.Kadal Amutham
>> > 919444360480
>> > 914422396480
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the
>> movie
>> >> is
>> >>> "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short
>> >>> film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread
>> >> from a
>> >>> bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
>> >>> father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is
>> very
>> >>> bad. But we should live in righteous way"
>> >>
>> >> Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done
>> >> tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and
>> >> Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his
>> >> efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of
>> his.
>> >> But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the
>> >> homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
>> >> profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made
>> it
>> >> and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in
>> >> Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison.
>> >> (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a
>> >> result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name
>> >> many, many others) would make far more films each year than their
>> Hollywood
>> >> compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The
>> >> film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
>> >> training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK.
>> >> But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless
>> rusty.)
>> >>
>> >> I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's
>> >> been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of
>> >> what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that
>> >> segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe
>> >> that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the
>> spawn
>> >> of something else.
>> >>
>> >> License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about
>> >> one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
>> >> construction of community.
>> >>
>> >> louis
>> >>>
>> >>> With Warm Regards
>> >>>
>> >>> V.Kadal Amutham
>> >>> 919444360480
>> >>> 914422396480
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels
>> >> about
>> >>>>>> this process?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and
>> as
>> >>>> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the
>> debt--and
>> >>>> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
>> >>>> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute
>> >> back to
>> >>>> the project to which they are indebted.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
>> >>>> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
>> >>>> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
>> >>>> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
>> >>>> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
>> >>>> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
>> >>>> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
>> >>>> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
>> >>>> privileges.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Rob
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
>> >>>> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the
>> tech
>> >>>> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
>> >>>> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> louis
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> With Warm Regards
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> V.Kadal Amutham
>> >>>>>> 919444360480
>> >>>>>> 914422396480
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source
>> code
>> >>>> of AOO
>> >>>>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as
>> it
>> >>>>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been
>> >> reused.
>> >>>>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar
>> work.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
>> >> community.
>> >>>> We
>> >>>>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can
>> >>>> expect
>> >>>>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done
>> very
>> >>>>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited
>> instead
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>> Andrea.
>> >>
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**
>> >> openoffice.apache.org<
>> >>>> marketing-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org>
>> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.**
>> >>>> apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail:
>> marketing-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Mr. Dave for clarification. Is the policy statement in line with
this discussion in the thread? Can you give the link of the policy
statement?
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480
On 7 June 2013 18:22, Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There is a policy in place for the whole of the Apache Software Foundation
> and that is the Apache License 2.0.
>
> If we want to have a statement then we can clearly state that this allows
> reuse so long as trademarks, other included licenses and copyrights are
> respected.
>
> This is why we have a NOTICE and LICENSE in all of our releases.
>
> When we vote on a release we are saying that this is in order first. That
> the software works is secondary.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by
> > others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for
> all
> > to know.
> >
> > With Warm Regards
> >
> > V.Kadal Amutham
> > 919444360480
> > 914422396480
> >
> >
> > On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the
> movie
> >> is
> >>> "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short
> >>> film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread
> >> from a
> >>> bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
> >>> father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is
> very
> >>> bad. But we should live in righteous way"
> >>
> >> Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done
> >> tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and
> >> Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his
> >> efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of
> his.
> >> But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the
> >> homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
> >> profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made
> it
> >> and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in
> >> Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison.
> >> (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a
> >> result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name
> >> many, many others) would make far more films each year than their
> Hollywood
> >> compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The
> >> film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
> >> training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK.
> >> But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless
> rusty.)
> >>
> >> I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's
> >> been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of
> >> what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that
> >> segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe
> >> that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the
> spawn
> >> of something else.
> >>
> >> License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about
> >> one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
> >> construction of community.
> >>
> >> louis
> >>>
> >>> With Warm Regards
> >>>
> >>> V.Kadal Amutham
> >>> 919444360480
> >>> 914422396480
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels
> >> about
> >>>>>> this process?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and
> as
> >>>> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the
> debt--and
> >>>> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
> >>>> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute
> >> back to
> >>>> the project to which they are indebted.
> >>>>
> >>>> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
> >>>> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
> >>>> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
> >>>> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
> >>>> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
> >>>> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
> >>>> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
> >>>> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
> >>>> privileges.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Rob
> >>>>
> >>>>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
> >>>> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the
> tech
> >>>> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
> >>>> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> louis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> With Warm Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> V.Kadal Amutham
> >>>>>> 919444360480
> >>>>>> 914422396480
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source
> code
> >>>> of AOO
> >>>>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as
> it
> >>>>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been
> >> reused.
> >>>>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar
> work.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
> >> community.
> >>>> We
> >>>>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can
> >>>> expect
> >>>>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done
> very
> >>>>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited
> instead
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Andrea.
> >>
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**
> >> openoffice.apache.org<
> >>>> marketing-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org>
> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.**
> >>>> apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi,
There is a policy in place for the whole of the Apache Software Foundation and that is the Apache License 2.0.
If we want to have a statement then we can clearly state that this allows reuse so long as trademarks, other included licenses and copyrights are respected.
This is why we have a NOTICE and LICENSE in all of our releases.
When we vote on a release we are saying that this is in order first. That the software works is secondary.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by
> others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all
> to know.
>
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie
>> is
>>> "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short
>>> film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread
>> from a
>>> bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
>>> father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is very
>>> bad. But we should live in righteous way"
>>
>> Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done
>> tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and
>> Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his
>> efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of his.
>> But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the
>> homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
>> profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it
>> and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in
>> Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison.
>> (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a
>> result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name
>> many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood
>> compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The
>> film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
>> training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK.
>> But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.)
>>
>> I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's
>> been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of
>> what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that
>> segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe
>> that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn
>> of something else.
>>
>> License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about
>> one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
>> construction of community.
>>
>> louis
>>>
>>> With Warm Regards
>>>
>>> V.Kadal Amutham
>>> 919444360480
>>> 914422396480
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels
>> about
>>>>>> this process?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as
>>>> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and
>>>> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
>>>> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute
>> back to
>>>> the project to which they are indebted.
>>>>
>>>> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
>>>> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
>>>> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
>>>> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
>>>> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
>>>> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
>>>> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
>>>> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
>>>> privileges.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
>>>> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech
>>>> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
>>>> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
>>>>>
>>>>> louis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With Warm Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> V.Kadal Amutham
>>>>>> 919444360480
>>>>>> 914422396480
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code
>>>> of AOO
>>>>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
>>>>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been
>> reused.
>>>>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
>> community.
>>>> We
>>>>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can
>>>> expect
>>>>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
>>>>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead
>>>> of
>>>>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andrea.
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
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>> openoffice.apache.org<
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>>>>>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
I do translation for LO and AOO as well. In LO, there is no mailing list
like this. I contact a single person to do my translations.
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480
On 7 June 2013 04:03, Samer Mansour <sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think we are looking for public shaming of others.
> I think we are looking for 1. recognition and 2. mutual benefits, from what
> is being mentioned previously in this thread.
>
> Lets assume conspiracy theory and everyone who isn't us is evil and that
> they are not contributing bug fixes they find in our code.
> They would be pulling code bugs from us that they already fixed but
> manually would have to override every time we make a release with new
> fixes.
>
> That doesn't sound reasonable, neither the first part about conspiracy nor
> the manual code fixing part.
>
> I would ask the dev list and see if anyone from AOO dev has built
> relationships with LO dev.
> If so what is the general mood and understanding of the relationship
> between the organizations? Friendly, untrustworthy, optimists, fake,
> mutual, one way.
> Is it that they need our help, or we need theirs? Is it because we can't
> seem to get over the fact we work for different organizations and we have a
> different name? Our goals seem generally aligned.
>
> I wouldn't assume they are malicious, but again I haven't been around AOO
> very long and also not involved with LO.
> I live thinking most people are not malicious and out to get or use me.
> At the same time I don't do anything I don't want to do, applies to anyone.
>
> Samer
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by
> > others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for
> all
> > to know.
> >
> > With Warm Regards
> >
> > V.Kadal Amutham
> > 919444360480
> > 914422396480
> >
> >
> > On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the
> > movie
> > > is
> > > > "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a
> short
> > > > film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread
> > > from a
> > > > bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
> > > > father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is
> > very
> > > > bad. But we should live in righteous way"
> > >
> > > Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has
> done
> > > tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and
> > > Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his
> > > efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of
> > his.
> > > But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the
> > > homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
> > > profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made
> it
> > > and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in
> > > Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by
> comparison.
> > > (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a
> > > result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also
> name
> > > many, many others) would make far more films each year than their
> > Hollywood
> > > compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The
> > > film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
> > > training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in
> HK.
> > > But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless
> > rusty.)
> > >
> > > I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's
> > > been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of
> > > what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that
> > > segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs,
> believe
> > > that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the
> > spawn
> > > of something else.
> > >
> > > License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest
> about
> > > one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
> > > construction of community.
> > >
> > > louis
> > > >
> > > > With Warm Regards
> > > >
> > > > V.Kadal Amutham
> > > > 919444360480
> > > > 914422396480
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <
> luispo@gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels
> > > about
> > > >>>> this process?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out
> and
> > as
> > > >> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the
> > debt--and
> > > >> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
> > > >> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute
> > > back to
> > > >> the project to which they are indebted.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
> > > >> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share
> their
> > > >> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary
> to
> > > >> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors
> --
> > > >> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
> > > >> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
> > > >> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
> > > >> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
> > > >> privileges.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Rob
> > > >>
> > > >>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
> > > >> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the
> > tech
> > > >> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
> > > >> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> louis
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> With Warm Regards
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> V.Kadal Amutham
> > > >>>> 919444360480
> > > >>>> 914422396480
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source
> > code
> > > >> of AOO
> > > >>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known
> as
> > it
> > > >>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been
> > > reused.
> > > >>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar
> > work.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
> > > community.
> > > >> We
> > > >>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we
> can
> > > >> expect
> > > >>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done
> > very
> > > >>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited
> > instead
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>> Andrea.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
> > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**
> > > openoffice.apache.org<
> > > >> marketing-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org>
> > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: marketing-help@openoffice.**
> > > >> apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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>
Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Samer Mansour <sa...@gmail.com>.
I don't think we are looking for public shaming of others.
I think we are looking for 1. recognition and 2. mutual benefits, from what
is being mentioned previously in this thread.
Lets assume conspiracy theory and everyone who isn't us is evil and that
they are not contributing bug fixes they find in our code.
They would be pulling code bugs from us that they already fixed but
manually would have to override every time we make a release with new fixes.
That doesn't sound reasonable, neither the first part about conspiracy nor
the manual code fixing part.
I would ask the dev list and see if anyone from AOO dev has built
relationships with LO dev.
If so what is the general mood and understanding of the relationship
between the organizations? Friendly, untrustworthy, optimists, fake,
mutual, one way.
Is it that they need our help, or we need theirs? Is it because we can't
seem to get over the fact we work for different organizations and we have a
different name? Our goals seem generally aligned.
I wouldn't assume they are malicious, but again I haven't been around AOO
very long and also not involved with LO.
I live thinking most people are not malicious and out to get or use me.
At the same time I don't do anything I don't want to do, applies to anyone.
Samer
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by
> others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all
> to know.
>
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the
> movie
> > is
> > > "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short
> > > film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread
> > from a
> > > bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
> > > father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is
> very
> > > bad. But we should live in righteous way"
> >
> > Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done
> > tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and
> > Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his
> > efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of
> his.
> > But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the
> > homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
> > profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it
> > and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in
> > Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison.
> > (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a
> > result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name
> > many, many others) would make far more films each year than their
> Hollywood
> > compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The
> > film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
> > training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK.
> > But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless
> rusty.)
> >
> > I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's
> > been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of
> > what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that
> > segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe
> > that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the
> spawn
> > of something else.
> >
> > License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about
> > one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
> > construction of community.
> >
> > louis
> > >
> > > With Warm Regards
> > >
> > > V.Kadal Amutham
> > > 919444360480
> > > 914422396480
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels
> > about
> > >>>> this process?
> > >>>
> > >>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and
> as
> > >> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the
> debt--and
> > >> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
> > >>>
> > >>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
> > >> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute
> > back to
> > >> the project to which they are indebted.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
> > >> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
> > >> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
> > >> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
> > >> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
> > >> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
> > >> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
> > >> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
> > >> privileges.
> > >>
> > >> -Rob
> > >>
> > >>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
> > >> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the
> tech
> > >> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
> > >> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
> > >>>
> > >>> louis
> > >>>>
> > >>>> With Warm Regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> V.Kadal Amutham
> > >>>> 919444360480
> > >>>> 914422396480
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source
> code
> > >> of AOO
> > >>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as
> it
> > >>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been
> > reused.
> > >>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar
> work.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
> > community.
> > >> We
> > >>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can
> > >> expect
> > >>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done
> very
> > >>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited
> instead
> > >> of
> > >>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>> Andrea.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: marketing-unsubscribe@**
> > openoffice.apache.org<
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
I think we should clearly frame a policy statement w.r.t code reuse by
others, and AOO taking code from other sources, put in the website for all
to know.
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480
On 6 June 2013 20:24, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie
> is
> > "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short
> > film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread
> from a
> > bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
> > father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is very
> > bad. But we should live in righteous way"
>
> Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done
> tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and
> Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his
> efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of his.
> But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the
> homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were
> profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it
> and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in
> Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison.
> (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a
> result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name
> many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood
> compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The
> film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early
> training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK.
> But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.)
>
> I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's
> been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of
> what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that
> segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe
> that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn
> of something else.
>
> License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about
> one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the
> construction of community.
>
> louis
> >
> > With Warm Regards
> >
> > V.Kadal Amutham
> > 919444360480
> > 914422396480
> >
> >
> > On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels
> about
> >>>> this process?
> >>>
> >>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as
> >> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and
> >> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
> >>>
> >>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
> >> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute
> back to
> >> the project to which they are indebted.
> >>>
> >>
> >> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
> >> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
> >> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
> >> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
> >> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
> >> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
> >> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
> >> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
> >> privileges.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
> >> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech
> >> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
> >> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
> >>>
> >>> louis
> >>>>
> >>>> With Warm Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> V.Kadal Amutham
> >>>> 919444360480
> >>>> 914422396480
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code
> >> of AOO
> >>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
> >>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been
> reused.
> >>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO
> community.
> >> We
> >>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can
> >> expect
> >>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
> >>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead
> >> of
> >>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Andrea.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 2013-06-06, at 16:38 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is
> "Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short
> film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a
> bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
> father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is very
> bad. But we should live in righteous way"
Your point is somewhat complicated by the fact that Jackie Chan has done tremendous work to remove the triads from informing the HK movie and Cantopop scene. And he's also recently gotten into some trouble for his efforts. (Just Google "jackie chan triads".) It's been a long fight of his. But when he made Police Story A (I think it's the one you refer to, the homage to Buster Keaton; this was back in the 80s), the triads were profoundly dominant and determined not just what got made but who made it and for how much. Their control made (or makes) the studio regime in Hollywood (which ended mid-20th cent., more or less) pale by comparison. (Bollywood does not have anything like this, either, I believe.) As a result of the triads' control, actors like Chan (but one could also name many, many others) would make far more films each year than their Hollywood compeers and for far less--and under far, far worse circumstances. (The film, Painted Faces, ostensibly about Samo Hung's and Chan's early training, I recall, could also be read as about the film industry in HK. But it's been years since I studied this, so my data are doubtless rusty.)
I don't think that we actually have an answer to the problematic that's been pointed out except the one I suggested: simply inform the world of what is actually going on. Right now, the world, which is to say that segment fed by the tech writers and who read self-serving blogs, believe that LO is the acme of originality and community and that AOO is the spawn of something else.
License allows for many things; that's its point. But being honest about one's doings and acknowledging debt is also very important in the construction of community.
louis
>
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about
>>>> this process?
>>>
>>> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as
>> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and
>> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
>>>
>>> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
>> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to
>> the project to which they are indebted.
>>>
>>
>> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
>> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
>> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
>> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
>> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
>> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
>> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
>> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
>> privileges.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
>> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech
>> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
>> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
>>>
>>> louis
>>>>
>>>> With Warm Regards
>>>>
>>>> V.Kadal Amutham
>>>> 919444360480
>>>> 914422396480
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code
>> of AOO
>>>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
>>>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused.
>>>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community.
>> We
>>>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can
>> expect
>>>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
>>>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead
>> of
>>>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
This reminds me of a movie of Jackie Chan. I think the name of the movie is
"Police Story". The movie comes to an end. Afterwards there was a short
film. A small boy was very hungry. His father steals a loaf of bread from a
bakery to feed his son. The police arrives at that time and kills the
father. Then Jackie Chan comes and consoles the boy, "This world is very
bad. But we should live in righteous way"
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480
On 6 June 2013 19:54, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about
> >> this process?
> >
> > This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as
> I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and
> then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
> >
> > So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses
> Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to
> the project to which they are indebted.
> >
>
> And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
> touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
> code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
> force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
> Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
> Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
> that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
> anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
> privileges.
>
> -Rob
>
> > And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the
> imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech
> press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that
> OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
> >
> > louis
> >>
> >> With Warm Regards
> >>
> >> V.Kadal Amutham
> >> 919444360480
> >> 914422396480
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code
> of AOO
> >>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
> >>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused.
> >>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community.
> We
> >>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can
> expect
> >>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
> >>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead
> of
> >>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Andrea.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:56 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about
>> this process?
>
> This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
>
> So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to the project to which they are indebted.
>
And that is the great irony, or hypocrisy even. If you recall, LO
touted the GPL as necessary to ensure that companies would share their
code, and argued that adherence to a copyleft license was necessary to
force corporations to behave. But now we see the main LO sponsors --
Redhat and Suse -- taking code, but refusing to share or cooperate.
Their problem is they've formed a self-interested leadership group
that benefits financially from the continued existence of LO. So
anything that would end the fork would end their self-assigned
privileges.
-Rob
> And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
>
> louis
>>
>> With Warm Regards
>>
>> V.Kadal Amutham
>> 919444360480
>> 914422396480
>>
>>
>> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
>>>
>>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO
>>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
>>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused.
>>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
>>>
>>>
>>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We
>>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect
>>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
>>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead of
>>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 2013-06-06, at 02:23 , Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about
> this process?
This is the nature of open source. Equally, as Andrea points out and as I think most would agree, what is crucial is acknowledging the debt--and then also to pay it back by contributing *back* to OpenOffice.
So, the issue is not that Libre Office or any other derivative uses Apache OpenOffice code, the issue is rather whether they contribute back to the project to which they are indebted.
And the larger campaign is then to inform the tech press of the imbalance, if that is what it is. For right now, it seems that the tech press wrongly believes that Libre Office is in the vanguard and that OpenOffice is limping along, in arrears.
louis
>
> With Warm Regards
>
> V.Kadal Amutham
> 919444360480
> 914422396480
>
>
> On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
>>
>>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO
>>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>>
>>
>> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
>> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused.
>> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
>>
>>
>> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We
>>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect
>>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
>>>
>>
>> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
>> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead of
>> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 2013-06-06, at 09:06 , Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Obviously, I would appreciate very much to see better relationship and collaboration in place; it is true that OpenOffice cannot do the converse and reuse code from projects that adopt more restrictive licenses, but there are fields, like QA, where everybody would benefit from official cooperation.
What would you propose to encourage that?
Me? I'd ask some of the tech journalists to raise it as an issue, keeping in mind that there'd be the usual mis- and mal-understandings.
Also, other occasions, such as, when feasible and reasonable, joint tracks at agreeable events, perhaps.
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Kadal Amutham wrote:
> Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about
> this process?
The OpenOffice project mission is to provide an excellent free and open
source office suite to the world, that users can use for personal
productivity tasks and developers can use to build upon. If the Apache
OpenOffice code is reused in other projects, this is entirely part of
the mission, so it's very good to see it reused.
Obviously, I would appreciate very much to see better relationship and
collaboration in place; it is true that OpenOffice cannot do the
converse and reuse code from projects that adopt more restrictive
licenses, but there are fields, like QA, where everybody would benefit
from official cooperation.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Kadal Amutham <vk...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Andrea for the response. In general how our community feels about
this process?
With Warm Regards
V.Kadal Amutham
919444360480
914422396480
On 6 June 2013 00:54, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
>
>> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO
>> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>
> This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
> should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused.
> Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
>
>
> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We
>> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect
>> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
>>
>
> It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
> prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead of
> the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: Source Code being used by LibreOffice
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 05/06/2013 Kadal Amutham wrote:
> In one of the threads, there was a discussion regarding source code of AOO
> being used by LibreOffice. Please correct me if I am wrong.
This is correct and well known (well, maybe not as widely known as it
should be). Code from all version of Apache OpenOffice has been reused.
Notable examples include Armin's SVG import and Andre's Sidebar work.
> If this happens this shall be considered as a credit by AOO community. We
> shall feel happy to share our code in full or in part. What we can expect
> in return is mention of contribution of code by AOO community.
It is acknowledged most of the times, even though it is not done very
prominently and at times individual contributors are credited instead of
the Apache OpenOffice project (which would probably be clearer).
Regards,
Andrea.
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