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Struts with PHP
Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use PHP.
thanks
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@pingsite.com>.
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
>Yeah, you raise a fair point, maybe I didn't think it through enough...
>I'm not sure how much session really matters, but I think request does...
>I mean, I have an HttpServletRequest object that I populate in an Action,
>and let's assume I can forward that to a PHP page, it's still a Java
>object.
>
>Yeah, I'm starting to scream "D'oh!" in my head right now...
>
I don't think it's as bad as all that, unfortunately.
Obviously the parameters/attributes/etc. in the session and request
could be marshalled into an object/xml/blob that PHP could understand;
there are some useful utilities in the sandbox made just for that purpose ;)
Session tracking is trivial, just use the session ID from the java side
and keep a hash on the PHP side that uses the same ID (I do something
similar with Lisp using Lisplets).
The easiest way, of course, would be to write jPHP and have phpServlet
and phpTags so you could have both PHP-only presentation but still allow
mixing of PHP code via phpScriptlets in your existing
JSP/Velocity/FreeMarker pages.
Dave
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
Yeah, you raise a fair point, maybe I didn't think it through enough...
I'm not sure how much session really matters, but I think request does...
I mean, I have an HttpServletRequest object that I populate in an Action,
and let's assume I can forward that to a PHP page, it's still a Java
object.
Yeah, I'm starting to scream "D'oh!" in my head right now...
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On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:27 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
> I don't see how you would be able to forward to a PHP page and have all
> the
> fields work, one thing to consider is they do not share the same session.
>
> Struts is a java framework, that has jar files etc, a PHP server would not
> know what to do with them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:fzlists@omnytex.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:10 PM
> To: Folashade Adeyosoye
> Cc: Struts Users Mailing List; Rafael Taboada
> Subject: Re: Struts with PHP
>
> Actually, while I don't know much about PHP, I would say it *better* be
> possible :) Struts is, by and large, the "C" in MVC (some parts arguably
> cross boundaries, but as a generality...), so if I can't swap in a
> different "M" and "V", there's probably something wrong.
>
> I think it's probably a given that you aren't going to be able to use the
> Struts taglibs on a PHP page, so some of the automatic functions of Struts
> won't be available, but at the end of the day I should be able to forward
> to a PHP page and have it work, even if I have to do more manual labor to
> get values into fields and such.
>
> At least, I would be expecting that to be possible.
>
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> Founder and Chief Software Architect
> Omnytex Technologies
> http://www.omnytex.com
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:05 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
>> hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
>> struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
>> intergrated.
>>
>> 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>>>
>>> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
>>> PHP.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Rafael Taboada
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by Folashade Adeyosoye <sh...@gmail.com>.
I don't see how you would be able to forward to a PHP page and have all the
fields work, one thing to consider is they do not share the same session.
Struts is a java framework, that has jar files etc, a PHP server would not
know what to do with them.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:fzlists@omnytex.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:10 PM
To: Folashade Adeyosoye
Cc: Struts Users Mailing List; Rafael Taboada
Subject: Re: Struts with PHP
Actually, while I don't know much about PHP, I would say it *better* be
possible :) Struts is, by and large, the "C" in MVC (some parts arguably
cross boundaries, but as a generality...), so if I can't swap in a
different "M" and "V", there's probably something wrong.
I think it's probably a given that you aren't going to be able to use the
Struts taglibs on a PHP page, so some of the automatic functions of Struts
won't be available, but at the end of the day I should be able to forward
to a PHP page and have it work, even if I have to do more manual labor to
get values into fields and such.
At least, I would be expecting that to be possible.
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Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:05 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
> hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
> struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
> intergrated.
>
> 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
>
>
>
>
> On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>>
>> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
>> PHP.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rafael Taboada
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
Actually, while I don't know much about PHP, I would say it *better* be
possible :) Struts is, by and large, the "C" in MVC (some parts arguably
cross boundaries, but as a generality...), so if I can't swap in a
different "M" and "V", there's probably something wrong.
I think it's probably a given that you aren't going to be able to use the
Struts taglibs on a PHP page, so some of the automatic functions of Struts
won't be available, but at the end of the day I should be able to forward
to a PHP page and have it work, even if I have to do more manual labor to
get values into fields and such.
At least, I would be expecting that to be possible.
--
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:05 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
> hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
> struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
> intergrated.
>
> 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
>
>
>
>
> On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>>
>> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
>> PHP.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rafael Taboada
>>
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Joe Germuska <Jo...@Germuska.com>.
At 6:18 PM +0200 5/2/05, Stéphane Zuckerman wrote:
> > On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>>>
>>> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use PHP.
>>>
>
>Folashade Adeyosoye a écrit :
>>hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
>>struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
>>intergrated.
>>
>>1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
>>>thanks
>
>Well, I'm not saying this is possible either...
>But after all, people manage to do Struts +
>XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
Is there a Java PHP interpreter yet? If not, how
would the PHP environment have access to the
request, session, and application context?
I know there's a JSR for "scripting in Java"
which has a strong PHP focus -- but I don't think
it's done yet.
Joe
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
You know boys and girls, this just goes to show... DO NOT stick your nose
in a conversation that you don't have enough knowledge to contribute
intelligently to :)
As I said in my first post, I don't have much experience with PHP... I
made some incorrect assumptions about it and how it works, and thus my
reply was, as it turns out, pretty dumb, to be blunt.
I now bow out as graciously as I can after making myself look like a fool :)
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On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:35 pm, Folashade Adeyosoye said:
> Am assuming here that there is some sort of Servlets container or
> application server that runs Java/Struts and there is another PHP server
> all
> running on the same machine/box. Please explain how both containers would
> manage ONE session when a user logs in and pass/manage information between
> each other.... :)
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:fzlists@omnytex.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:30 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Struts with PHP
>
> I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
> request object in a PHP script, no? As long as you can do that, then you
> should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
> course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
> Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.
>
> Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's
> a fair question :)
>
> --
> Frank W. Zammetti
> Founder and Chief Software Architect
> Omnytex Technologies
> http://www.omnytex.com
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:
>>
>>> Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
>>> manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
>>
>>
>> Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
>> transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?
>>
>> And, after all, why should you want it at all?
>>
>> Leon.
>>
>> P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
>>
>>
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by Günther Wieser <gw...@creative-it.com>.
you can get parameters and headers (as they are part of http and included in
the http request), but no chance to get attributes, they only exist in the
virtual machine.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:fzlists@omnytex.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:30 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts with PHP
I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
request object in a PHP script, no? As long as you can do that, then you
should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.
Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's a
fair question :)
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Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:
>
>> Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
>> manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
>
>
> Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
> transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?
>
> And, after all, why should you want it at all?
>
> Leon.
>
> P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
>
>
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by Folashade Adeyosoye <sh...@gmail.com>.
Am assuming here that there is some sort of Servlets container or
application server that runs Java/Struts and there is another PHP server all
running on the same machine/box. Please explain how both containers would
manage ONE session when a user logs in and pass/manage information between
each other.... :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank W. Zammetti [mailto:fzlists@omnytex.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:30 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Cc: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts with PHP
I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
request object in a PHP script, no? As long as you can do that, then you
should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.
Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's
a fair question :)
--
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:
>
>> Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
>> manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
>
>
> Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
> transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?
>
> And, after all, why should you want it at all?
>
> Leon.
>
> P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
>
>
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
I presume one can get at the parameters, attributes and headers of the
request object in a PHP script, no? As long as you can do that, then you
should be able to replace JSP pages with PHP pages, sans the taglibs of
course, which, as some people seem to forget, are an OPTIONAL element of
Struts :) because you can get at anything Struts sends to a JSP.
Now, as for the *why* you'd want to use PHP instead of JSP, I think that's
a fair question :)
--
Frank W. Zammetti
Founder and Chief Software Architect
Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:22 pm, Leon Rosenberg said:
>
>> Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
>> manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
>
>
> Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
> transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?
>
> And, after all, why should you want it at all?
>
> Leon.
>
> P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
>
>
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
Oh great, now all those out-of-work COBOL programmers are going to be
useful again, making it even MORE difficult for us Java guys to find work!
Thanks a lot Dave! LOL ;)
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On Mon, May 2, 2005 12:48 pm, Dave Newton said:
> Leon Rosenberg wrote:
>
>>>Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
>>>manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
>>>
>>>
>>Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
>>transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?
>>
>>
> I'd stick 'em in the request or make a PHP add-on that could snarf 'em
> somehow.
>
> Or use SiteMesh.
>
>>P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
>>
>>
> I've been working on a Struts/COBOL bridge for some time now due to the
> inherent clarity of COBOL code. It's much easier to write the logic in a
> pure Business Side langage.
>
> Dave "I said 'Business Side' for a reason" Newton
>
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AW: Struts with PHP
Posted by Leon Rosenberg <st...@anotheria.net>.
Ok, Dave, I beg my pardon, but I think the initual intent of the thread
originator was far beyond struts/cobol bridges and such.
I don't want to start new senseless threads about using third generation
languages, when there are fifth generation languages available and so on.
So please forgive me, and forget my post :-)
Regards
Leon
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Dave Newton [mailto:newton@pingsite.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 2. Mai 2005 18:48
> An: Struts Users Mailing List
> Betreff: Re: Struts with PHP
>
> Leon Rosenberg wrote:
>
> >>Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after
> all, people
> >>manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
> >>
> >>
> >Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
> >transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a
> php script?
> >
> >
> I'd stick 'em in the request or make a PHP add-on that could
> snarf 'em somehow.
>
> Or use SiteMesh.
>
> >P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
> >
> >
> I've been working on a Struts/COBOL bridge for some time now
> due to the inherent clarity of COBOL code. It's much easier
> to write the logic in a pure Business Side langage.
>
> Dave "I said 'Business Side' for a reason" Newton
>
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@pingsite.com>.
Leon Rosenberg wrote:
>>Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
>>manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
>>
>>
>Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
>transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?
>
>
I'd stick 'em in the request or make a PHP add-on that could snarf 'em
somehow.
Or use SiteMesh.
>P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
>
>
I've been working on a Struts/COBOL bridge for some time now due to the
inherent clarity of COBOL code. It's much easier to write the logic in a
pure Business Side langage.
Dave "I said 'Business Side' for a reason" Newton
Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Leon Rosenberg <st...@anotheria.net>.
> Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
> manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
Yes, by generating XML out of the action or jsp, and adding an XSLT
transformer. How do you want to share any variables with a php script?
And, after all, why should you want it at all?
Leon.
P.S. I think we should forget this thread asap :-)
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by Folashade Adeyosoye <sh...@gmail.com>.
Because they are Oranges and Apples...
XML/XSLT are mainly file/processors that produces HTML that are universally
recognized by almost all servers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stéphane Zuckerman [mailto:stephane.zuckerman@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:19 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: Struts with PHP
> On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>>
>> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP,
use PHP.
>>
Folashade Adeyosoye a écrit :
> hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
> struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
> intergrated.
>
> 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
>> thanks
Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Stéphane Zuckerman <st...@gmail.com>.
> On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>>
>> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP,
use PHP.
>>
Folashade Adeyosoye a écrit :
> hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
> struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
> intergrated.
>
> 1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
>> thanks
Well, I'm not saying this is possible either... But after all, people
manage to do Struts + XML/XSLT without JSP. So why not with PHP ?
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Folashade Adeyosoye <sh...@gmail.com>.
hmm, good question, but i would not think so, one system developed in
struts can call a PHP and vise-visa, but i dont think they can be
intergrated.
1. PHP has a diff processor compared to java/jsp/struts
On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>
> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use PHP.
>
> thanks
>
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> Rafael Taboada
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Robin Ericsson <lo...@localhost.nu>.
Craig McClanahan wrote:
> http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detai?id=223
>
> The objectives of this JSR include the ability to connect the object
> models of a scripting language (with PHP being an obvious target) and
> a Java virtual machine. Servlet containers make a natural place to
> integrate this sort of functinality.
It should be with Zend being in the Initial Export Group and MySQL in
support.
regards,
Robin
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Re: Struts with PHP
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@gmail.com>.
On 5/2/05, Rafael Taboada <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
>
> Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use PHP.
For reasons discussed by several people in this thread, information
sharing between the Java logic and the PHP logic can be a challenge.
One technology to keep your eye on, however, is JSR 223: Scripting
for the Java Platform, where the spec is currently in public review:
http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detai?id=223
The objectives of this JSR include the ability to connect the object
models of a scripting language (with PHP being an obvious target) and
a Java virtual machine. Servlet containers make a natural place to
integrate this sort of functinality.
Craig
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by Folashade Adeyosoye <sh...@gmail.com>.
Completely not what is been discussed.
Php.mvc is a framework on its own, doing what struts does, not interaction
between PHP and Struts.
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From: Kris Barnhoorn [mailto:kris@biassweb.be]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Struts with PHP
http://www.phpmvc.net/ is a php port of struts
just info. Not used or tested it.
Kris.
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Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
PHP.
thanks
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RE: Struts with PHP
Posted by Kris Barnhoorn <kr...@biassweb.be>.
http://www.phpmvc.net/ is a php port of struts
just info. Not used or tested it.
Kris.
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Hi folks... I'm working right now with PHP...
Is it possible to combine PHP with struts? I mean, instead to JSP, use
PHP.
thanks
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Rafael Taboada
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