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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Damian Hamill <da...@herculeez.com> on 2006/01/18 01:15:22 UTC
media tools
is there any interest in developing a set of media tools to handle the
various audo/video formats that are around ?
regards
damian
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Re: media tools
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Legally it could be more challenging with all those patents around..
Mvgr,
Martin
Henri Yandell wrote:
> Probably not within Commons. They all sound like quite large projects
> and Commons is more about smaller codebases.
>
> That said, I've never developed audio/video so maybe it's simpler than
> I think :)
>
> Hen
>
> On 1/17/06, Damian Hamill <da...@herculeez.com> wrote:
>
>>is there any interest in developing a set of media tools to handle the
>>various audo/video formats that are around ?
>>
>>regards
>>damian
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Re: media tools
Posted by Paul Libbrecht <pa...@activemath.org>.
Damian Hamill wrote:
> I await your advice on the issue of patents (Martin van den Bemt)
> however should the possibility of patent issues stop us ? I mean
> there is a patent for MP3 but the folks at javazoom have released an
> MP3 decoder. Isn't it OK to release in source form ?
If you read a bit about it, you'll find quite diverging voices including
some that say that, in order to implement MP3, you basically need to
either call your project "LAME" or pay the license... would that be not
true anymore ?
paul
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Re: media tools
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On 1/20/06, Damian Hamill <da...@herculeez.com> wrote:
> OK I'll try contacting the implementors of what is out there so far to
> see if we can get some kind of co-ordinated package together. I still
> think jakarta is the best home for something like this though. Better
> to be part of a single well known software repositry than numerous
> divergent sources.
There might be enough interest for something like this in Apache, but
IMO it does not really fit with Jakarta (too big, too focused) but
instead would deserve its own project. Rather you should put together
your ideas etc. and propose this to the incubator.
Tom
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Re: media tools
Posted by Damian Hamill <da...@herculeez.com>.
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> Damian Hamill wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it wouldn't be a small project but maybe not as big as
>> httpclient. Of course it would depend on the number of
>> encoders/decoders included in the project. There are a couple of
>> Java implementations already for MP3 and OGG/Vorbis but by different
>> parties and so work differently. I would like to see a unified
>> interface to various encoders/decoders so client software can use a
>> simple API to access various kinds of media, hence my desire to see a
>> project in commons/jakarta to deal with this. I can't think of a
>> better home.
>
>
> I think this is already kind of covered by JMF. (see
> http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/jmf/reference/api/index.html),
> although this may be a bit broader scope than what you have in mind.
JMF needs to be installed on the users workstation, it isn't part of the
standard JRE and you can't just add the JMF jars to your jnlp or applet
classpath. Also it does not contain support for some popular compression
formats MP3, OGG/VORBIS, AAC, FLAC etc.
>> I await your advice on the issue of patents (Martin van den Bemt)
>> however should the possibility of patent issues stop us ? I mean
>> there is a patent for MP3 but the folks at javazoom have released an
>> MP3 decoder. Isn't it OK to release in source form ?
>>
>> how do we/I proceed ?
>
>
> First it needs enough support from current commons committers, which
> isn't there atm, before proceeding. I am not one of those supporters
> though, since I don't see myself getting involved in ayway with this,
> as it is technically not really my cup of tea.
OK I'll try contacting the implementors of what is out there so far to
see if we can get some kind of co-ordinated package together. I still
think jakarta is the best home for something like this though. Better
to be part of a single well known software repositry than numerous
divergent sources.
regards
damian
> Mvgr,
> Martin
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Re: media tools
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Damian Hamill wrote:
> I'm sure it wouldn't be a small project but maybe not as big as
> httpclient. Of course it would depend on the number of
> encoders/decoders included in the project. There are a couple of Java
> implementations already for MP3 and OGG/Vorbis but by different parties
> and so work differently. I would like to see a unified interface to
> various encoders/decoders so client software can use a simple API to
> access various kinds of media, hence my desire to see a project in
> commons/jakarta to deal with this. I can't think of a better home.
I think this is already kind of covered by JMF. (see
http://java.sun.com/products/java-media/jmf/reference/api/index.html), although this may be a bit
broader scope than what you have in mind.
>
> I await your advice on the issue of patents (Martin van den Bemt)
> however should the possibility of patent issues stop us ? I mean there
> is a patent for MP3 but the folks at javazoom have released an MP3
> decoder. Isn't it OK to release in source form ?
>
> how do we/I proceed ?
First it needs enough support from current commons committers, which isn't there atm, before
proceeding. I am not one of those supporters though, since I don't see myself getting involved in
ayway with this, as it is technically not really my cup of tea.
Mvgr,
Martin
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Re: media tools
Posted by Damian Hamill <da...@herculeez.com>.
I'm sure it wouldn't be a small project but maybe not as big as
httpclient. Of course it would depend on the number of
encoders/decoders included in the project. There are a couple of Java
implementations already for MP3 and OGG/Vorbis but by different parties
and so work differently. I would like to see a unified interface to
various encoders/decoders so client software can use a simple API to
access various kinds of media, hence my desire to see a project in
commons/jakarta to deal with this. I can't think of a better home.
I await your advice on the issue of patents (Martin van den Bemt)
however should the possibility of patent issues stop us ? I mean there
is a patent for MP3 but the folks at javazoom have released an MP3
decoder. Isn't it OK to release in source form ?
how do we/I proceed ?
regards
damian
Henri Yandell wrote:
>Probably not within Commons. They all sound like quite large projects
>and Commons is more about smaller codebases.
>
>That said, I've never developed audio/video so maybe it's simpler than
>I think :)
>
>Hen
>
>On 1/17/06, Damian Hamill <da...@herculeez.com> wrote:
>
>
>>is there any interest in developing a set of media tools to handle the
>>various audo/video formats that are around ?
>>
>>regards
>>damian
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Re: media tools
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
Probably not within Commons. They all sound like quite large projects
and Commons is more about smaller codebases.
That said, I've never developed audio/video so maybe it's simpler than
I think :)
Hen
On 1/17/06, Damian Hamill <da...@herculeez.com> wrote:
> is there any interest in developing a set of media tools to handle the
> various audo/video formats that are around ?
>
> regards
> damian
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