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Next release...
What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
Thanks!
Erick
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>.
Created a blocker https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-8269 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-8269> so we don’t forget… There could be other workarounds than waiting for their release, feel free to degrade priority if necessary.
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> 10. nov. 2015 kl. 14.44 skrev Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com>:
>
> Le lun. 9 nov. 2015 à 19:16, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk <ma...@odoko.co.uk>> a écrit :
> I would love to see a 5.4 release. All the tasks I had planned for the
> admin UI are done, so, barring any unforseen and as yet unreported bugs,
> it is ready to go.
>
> How much time commitment does it typically take to make a release? I'd
> consider volunteering, but may not have sufficient time to carry it all
> the way.
>
> There is some good documentation about the release process at https://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/ReleaseTodo <https://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/ReleaseTodo.> Some operations take time, like publishing javadocs, but it's mostly a matter of waiting for a command to return so you're free to do other things at the same time. Making a release is usually more about coordination (eg. when to cut the branch and cut a RC), making sure that nobody shoves last-minute features that could destabilize the build, leading discussions about whether to respin when a bug is found depending on the criticity of the bug, etc.
Re: Next release...
Posted by Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com>.
Le lun. 9 nov. 2015 à 19:16, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> a écrit :
> I would love to see a 5.4 release. All the tasks I had planned for the
> admin UI are done, so, barring any unforseen and as yet unreported bugs,
> it is ready to go.
>
> How much time commitment does it typically take to make a release? I'd
> consider volunteering, but may not have sufficient time to carry it all
> the way.
>
There is some good documentation about the release process at
https://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/ReleaseTodo
<https://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/ReleaseTodo.> Some operations take
time, like publishing javadocs, but it's mostly a matter of waiting for a
command to return so you're free to do other things at the same time.
Making a release is usually more about coordination (eg. when to cut the
branch and cut a RC), making sure that nobody shoves last-minute features
that could destabilize the build, leading discussions about whether to
respin when a bug is found depending on the criticity of the bug, etc.
Re: Next release...
Posted by Susheel Kumar <su...@gmail.com>.
CDCR will help many of the folks who are currently trying other
alternatives. Would love to see coming this out sooner and providing
feedback.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> I would love to see a 5.4 release. All the tasks I had planned for the
> admin UI are done, so, barring any unforseen and as yet unreported bugs,
> it is ready to go.
>
> How much time commitment does it typically take to make a release? I'd
> consider volunteering, but may not have sufficient time to carry it all
> the way.
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015, at 04:10 PM, Erick Erickson wrote:
> > Adrien:
> >
> > I can certainly wait for a while to commit CDCR to 5.4, there's no
> > huge need to rush 5.4 out the door, particularly not just to
> > accommodate me! After all, let's just say it's been a while that we've
> > been working on this, a bit more time isn't critical....
> >
> > I don't want to wait a month though, so if someone is already thinking
> > of branching for 5.4 anyway so I asked to I can plan around it.
> >
> > Erick
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Le lun. 9 nov. 2015 à 16:32, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>
> a
> > > écrit :
> > >>
> > >> What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
> > >> is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
> > >> push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
> > >> imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think that we should release Lucene 5.4 soon indeed! Maybe we could
> create
> > > a 5.4 branch today already so that you can commit the CDCR changes.
> This
> > > will also help make sure that the 5.4 branch only gets bug fixes as of
> today
> > > and then we have one week to make sure things are stable and we can
> start
> > > the release process next week?
> >
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Upayavira <uv...@odoko.co.uk>.
I would love to see a 5.4 release. All the tasks I had planned for the
admin UI are done, so, barring any unforseen and as yet unreported bugs,
it is ready to go.
How much time commitment does it typically take to make a release? I'd
consider volunteering, but may not have sufficient time to carry it all
the way.
Upayavira
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015, at 04:10 PM, Erick Erickson wrote:
> Adrien:
>
> I can certainly wait for a while to commit CDCR to 5.4, there's no
> huge need to rush 5.4 out the door, particularly not just to
> accommodate me! After all, let's just say it's been a while that we've
> been working on this, a bit more time isn't critical....
>
> I don't want to wait a month though, so if someone is already thinking
> of branching for 5.4 anyway so I asked to I can plan around it.
>
> Erick
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Le lun. 9 nov. 2015 à 16:32, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> a
> > écrit :
> >>
> >> What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
> >> is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
> >> push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
> >> imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
> >
> >
> > I think that we should release Lucene 5.4 soon indeed! Maybe we could create
> > a 5.4 branch today already so that you can commit the CDCR changes. This
> > will also help make sure that the 5.4 branch only gets bug fixes as of today
> > and then we have one week to make sure things are stable and we can start
> > the release process next week?
>
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>.
Adrien:
I can certainly wait for a while to commit CDCR to 5.4, there's no
huge need to rush 5.4 out the door, particularly not just to
accommodate me! After all, let's just say it's been a while that we've
been working on this, a bit more time isn't critical....
I don't want to wait a month though, so if someone is already thinking
of branching for 5.4 anyway so I asked to I can plan around it.
Erick
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le lun. 9 nov. 2015 à 16:32, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>>
>> What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
>> is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
>> push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
>> imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
>
>
> I think that we should release Lucene 5.4 soon indeed! Maybe we could create
> a 5.4 branch today already so that you can commit the CDCR changes. This
> will also help make sure that the 5.4 branch only gets bug fixes as of today
> and then we have one week to make sure things are stable and we can start
> the release process next week?
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com>.
Le lun. 9 nov. 2015 à 16:32, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> a
écrit :
> What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
> is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
> push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
> imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
>
I think that we should release Lucene 5.4 soon indeed! Maybe we could
create a 5.4 branch today already so that you can commit the CDCR changes.
This will also help make sure that the 5.4 branch only gets bug fixes as of
today and then we have one week to make sure things are stable and we can
start the release process next week?
Re: Next release...
Posted by Jack Krupansky <ja...@gmail.com>.
Bummer... the prospect of Credence Clearwater Revival having a new release
had me going there.
-- Jack Krupansky
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Make that CDCR....
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
> > is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
> > push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
> > imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Erick
>
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>.
Make that CDCR....
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
> is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
> push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
> imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
>
> Thanks!
> Erick
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Re: Next release...
Posted by "david.w.smiley@gmail.com" <da...@gmail.com>.
+1 to not sooner than February 2016 (one year later)
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 6:25 AM Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le jeu. 12 nov. 2015 à 18:21, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Are there any tentative (not firm commitments) time frames for 6.0?
>>
>
> I don't think we talked about it before. Maybe we could aim for something
> like February 2016. This would be one year after 5.0, which I think is a
> nice trade-off between us being able to drop support for old index formats
> and users not feeling to much pressure to upgrade all the time. It also
> means that features that are almost ready like the new dimensional format
> and cdcr wouldn't have to wait for too long before going into the hands of
> our users.
>
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Adrien Grand <jp...@gmail.com>.
Le jeu. 12 nov. 2015 à 18:21, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> a
écrit :
> Are there any tentative (not firm commitments) time frames for 6.0?
>
I don't think we talked about it before. Maybe we could aim for something
like February 2016. This would be one year after 5.0, which I think is a
nice trade-off between us being able to drop support for old index formats
and users not feeling to much pressure to upgrade all the time. It also
means that features that are almost ready like the new dimensional format
and cdcr wouldn't have to wait for too long before going into the hands of
our users.
Re: Next release...
Posted by Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>.
Are there any tentative (not firm commitments) time frames for 6.0? If
there is it'll help me figure out the right thing to do here.
I'm about to incorporate SOLR-8263 and beast. If that all works out,
I'm thinking of declaring victory here and closing both SOLR-8263 and
SOLR-6273. There haven't been any Jenkins failures in a while,
although these tests are only run nightly. But they used to fail very
regularly.
I need to decide whether or not to backport and knowing any plans for
6.0 would help. I've already backported SOLR-6273 locally to 5x, and
I'll backport and test 8263 over the weekend so I have a clue about
the effort involved.
I'd like to get this into people's hands sooner rather than later,
although Marks point about this being an "ideal" 6.0 feature is well
taken.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Alexandre Rafalovitch
<ar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A sort of related thought.
>
> There will most likely be a 5.4.1 at least for the Admin UI once
> people start seriously using it every day. Because: obscure browser
> bugs, Windows, Mobile, etc. Especially if Solr 6 is on Java 8 (it is,
> right?), we would need a stable version for Java 7 users.
>
>
> ----
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> http://www.solr-start.com/
>
>
> On 10 November 2015 at 13:29, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark:
>>
>> Well, whether to put it into 5.x at all is one of the
>> not-intentionally-hidden agenda items for me. How far out is "not that
>> far"? A few weeks? 6 months? If it's too far out then the motivation
>> for 5x is to get it in people's hands in a timely manner. OTOH, if 6.0
>> is coming out in roughly the same time-frame as a possible 5.5 (and
>> probably thus there wouldn't _be_ a 5.5) it changes the equation.
>>
>> Shalin:
>>
>> Right, SOLR-8263 is being worked on. I'm mostly trying to get a sense
>> of whether or what the time frame for 5.4 (or 5.5 or 6.0) allows.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Mark Miller <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I wonder what the rush to put CDCR into 5x is?
>>>
>>> Seems like an ideal feature for 6x. Especially given it's current hardening
>>> level and that 6x is not that far out.
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:37 AM Shalin Shekhar Mangar
>>> <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Erick,
>>>>
>>>> I believe SOLR-8263 can cause data loss problems in CDCR so I don't
>>>> think we should put CDCR in 5.4 unless that issue is fixed first.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
>>>> > is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
>>>> > push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
>>>> > imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> > Erick
>>>> >
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>>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@lucene.apache.org
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Shalin Shekhar Mangar.
>>>>
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>>> - Mark
>>> about.me/markrmiller
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Alexandre Rafalovitch <ar...@gmail.com>.
A sort of related thought.
There will most likely be a 5.4.1 at least for the Admin UI once
people start seriously using it every day. Because: obscure browser
bugs, Windows, Mobile, etc. Especially if Solr 6 is on Java 8 (it is,
right?), we would need a stable version for Java 7 users.
----
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http://www.solr-start.com/
On 10 November 2015 at 13:29, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark:
>
> Well, whether to put it into 5.x at all is one of the
> not-intentionally-hidden agenda items for me. How far out is "not that
> far"? A few weeks? 6 months? If it's too far out then the motivation
> for 5x is to get it in people's hands in a timely manner. OTOH, if 6.0
> is coming out in roughly the same time-frame as a possible 5.5 (and
> probably thus there wouldn't _be_ a 5.5) it changes the equation.
>
> Shalin:
>
> Right, SOLR-8263 is being worked on. I'm mostly trying to get a sense
> of whether or what the time frame for 5.4 (or 5.5 or 6.0) allows.
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Mark Miller <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wonder what the rush to put CDCR into 5x is?
>>
>> Seems like an ideal feature for 6x. Especially given it's current hardening
>> level and that 6x is not that far out.
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:37 AM Shalin Shekhar Mangar
>> <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Erick,
>>>
>>> I believe SOLR-8263 can cause data loss problems in CDCR so I don't
>>> think we should put CDCR in 5.4 unless that issue is fixed first.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
>>> > is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
>>> > push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
>>> > imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> > Erick
>>> >
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Shalin Shekhar Mangar.
>>>
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>> --
>> - Mark
>> about.me/markrmiller
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>.
Mark:
Well, whether to put it into 5.x at all is one of the
not-intentionally-hidden agenda items for me. How far out is "not that
far"? A few weeks? 6 months? If it's too far out then the motivation
for 5x is to get it in people's hands in a timely manner. OTOH, if 6.0
is coming out in roughly the same time-frame as a possible 5.5 (and
probably thus there wouldn't _be_ a 5.5) it changes the equation.
Shalin:
Right, SOLR-8263 is being worked on. I'm mostly trying to get a sense
of whether or what the time frame for 5.4 (or 5.5 or 6.0) allows.
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Mark Miller <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder what the rush to put CDCR into 5x is?
>
> Seems like an ideal feature for 6x. Especially given it's current hardening
> level and that 6x is not that far out.
>
> - Mark
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:37 AM Shalin Shekhar Mangar
> <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Erick,
>>
>> I believe SOLR-8263 can cause data loss problems in CDCR so I don't
>> think we should put CDCR in 5.4 unless that issue is fixed first.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
>> > is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
>> > push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
>> > imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Erick
>> >
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>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Shalin Shekhar Mangar.
>>
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Mark Miller <ma...@gmail.com>.
I wonder what the rush to put CDCR into 5x is?
Seems like an ideal feature for 6x. Especially given it's current hardening
level and that 6x is not that far out.
- Mark
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:37 AM Shalin Shekhar Mangar <
shalinmangar@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Erick,
>
> I believe SOLR-8263 can cause data loss problems in CDCR so I don't
> think we should put CDCR in 5.4 unless that issue is fixed first.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
> > is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
> > push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
> > imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Erick
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Shalin Shekhar Mangar.
>
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Re: Next release...
Posted by Shalin Shekhar Mangar <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi Erick,
I believe SOLR-8263 can cause data loss problems in CDCR so I don't
think we should put CDCR in 5.4 unless that issue is fixed first.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Erick Erickson <er...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the thinking on cutting 5.4? It looks like the CCR (SOLR-6273)
> is about ready to rock-n-roll. It's a lot of code, and I don't want to
> push it into 5x just before we cut the next release. So if 5.4 is
> imminent I'd like to know for my planning.
>
> Thanks!
> Erick
>
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