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Linux Magazine article
Linux Magazine's backpage article is a little thing on Java and Linux
together etc. [Steve J. Vaughan-Nichols]. Apache Software Foundation's
Jakarta project gets a good mention, however he seems to ascribe JBoss as
being a Jakarta project :) Which is a shame that maybe Jakarta's brand is
being a bit too overpowering sometimes.
Tomcat, Ant and POI also get mentions.
My favourite quote:
"I know: to many of you Java is this wishy-washy language that's way too
wordy and structured." :)
Thought it was interest,
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
But there should be something adequate in addition to JBoss.
Steve Downey wrote:
>LGPL probably isn't bad enough to prevent people from using it. So the drive
>to create a BSD or Apache-style implementation hasn't exceeded the effort.
>
>On Friday 25 October 2002 08:16 pm, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
>
>>But JBoss is. JBoss support EJB but has some features as a general app
>>server that are pretty sweet.
>>
>>And as much as I wish we had something as good.... Jingoism aside....we
>>simply don't.
>>
>>But I don't think JBoss is crying over not being an apache project at
>>the moment ;-)
>>
>>I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
>>EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) but had the high performance app server
>>facillies like JBoss.
>>
>>Flame away!
>>
>>-Andy
>>
>>Paulo Gaspar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jon's predictions never became truth...
>>>...probably because J2EE is not interesting enough!
>>>=;o)
>>>
>>>Have fun,
>>>Paulo Gaspar
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>>2
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Steve Downey <st...@netfolio.com>.
LGPL probably isn't bad enough to prevent people from using it. So the drive
to create a BSD or Apache-style implementation hasn't exceeded the effort.
On Friday 25 October 2002 08:16 pm, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> But JBoss is. JBoss support EJB but has some features as a general app
> server that are pretty sweet.
>
> And as much as I wish we had something as good.... Jingoism aside....we
> simply don't.
>
> But I don't think JBoss is crying over not being an apache project at
> the moment ;-)
>
> I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
> EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) but had the high performance app server
> facillies like JBoss.
>
> Flame away!
>
> -Andy
>
> Paulo Gaspar wrote:
> >Jon's predictions never became truth...
> >...probably because J2EE is not interesting enough!
> >=;o)
> >
> >Have fun,
> >Paulo Gaspar
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> >>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM
> >>To: Jakarta General List
> >>Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article
> >>
> >>...
> >>
> >>Some history info:
> >>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=java-apache-framework&m=97567909732611&w=
> >>2
> >>
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
Never skip a start of something is my motto ;)
Mvgr,
Martin
On Sat, 2002-10-26 at 13:04, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> I'd rather perform their role from 1987-1999 or so ;-)
>
> -Andy
>
> Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>
> >>I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start
> >>trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business
> >>model...any busines model.....then sink slowly into the abyss taking
> >>java with them...but I think Sun today is the IBM of the 80s brought
> >>foward into the future given a jewel they have no idea what to do with
> >>(still).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >For my sake, I will preform the M$ role of the 80s :)))
> >
> >Mvgr,
> >Martin
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
I'd rather perform their role from 1987-1999 or so ;-)
-Andy
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>>I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start
>>trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business
>>model...any busines model.....then sink slowly into the abyss taking
>>java with them...but I think Sun today is the IBM of the 80s brought
>>foward into the future given a jewel they have no idea what to do with
>>(still).
>>
>>
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>For my sake, I will preform the M$ role of the 80s :)))
>
>Mvgr,
>Martin
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
> >
> I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start
> trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business
> model...any busines model.....then sink slowly into the abyss taking
> java with them...but I think Sun today is the IBM of the 80s brought
> foward into the future given a jewel they have no idea what to do with
> (still).
For my sake, I will preform the M$ role of the 80s :)))
Mvgr,
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
>on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
>>EOB (eob.sourceforge.net)
>>
>>
>
>Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument.
>
>
Agreed. Velocity looks better than JSP.
>People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is simple
>
agreed
>to use and implement and makes some real sense...while the whole time, we
>have Sun pushing their J2EE crap down our throats.
>
>
agreed
>Maybe once Sun's stock price dips below 1.0 will they wake up...
>
>
I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start
trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business
model...any busines model.....then sink slowly into the abyss taking
java with them...but I think Sun today is the IBM of the 80s brought
foward into the future given a jewel they have no idea what to do with
(still).
Sun still has two pistols pointed at each foot daring folks to make them
pull the trigger.. With the JCA issue they took some bullets out...
However Jon, we still don't have something with the really "balls"
behind it. (excuse the crudity). . I mean something that is documented
sufficiently, has the performance tools (transaction support,
hi-performance pooling including connections and objects) behind it and
has a non-sucky interface like EOB. EJB sucks, but app servers are
necessary for a good many people. We've got bits and pieces of app
servers...but we don't actually have one.
I plan on riding Paul's a** to finish getting an initial code base
together and I'll help with more docs so that he can attract enough
community. Having this thing here might drive some sort of cohesive app
server development instead of the little fiefdoms (so far as app server
stuff goes) we have today. Otherwise I think we'll kinda forefit our
b*tching rights for not coming up with something better. As much as I
like Marc, I hope we prove you right some day!
-Andy
>-jon
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Steve Downey <st...@netfolio.com>.
On Friday 25 October 2002 08:30 pm, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
> on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
> > EOB (eob.sourceforge.net)
>
> Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument.
>
> People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is simple
> to use and implement and makes some real sense...while the whole time, we
> have Sun pushing their J2EE crap down our throats.
>
Sun has a lot of trouble backing away from the 1.0 decisions they make, even
when they turn out to be wrong. MSFT does a bit better by renaming the
technology and walking away from the old one. c.v. DCOM -> MTS -> .NET
Still, container based declarative transactional components are a nice idea.
Writing data non-transactionally will eventually get you into trouble.
Reading isn't the same problem. And being able to join many components into a
single transaction without advance planning make a lot of deep problems
rather simple.
But the notion that a database row is a good remote object, even without the
overhead of transactionality, is just BAD.
> Maybe once Sun's stock price dips below 1.0 will they wake up...
>
Nah, I'm sure CA would acquire it then, and then there'd be boardroom pressure
to use it as the solution to everything.
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Paul Hammant <ha...@apache.org>.
Jon, Andy,
>>I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
>>EOB (eob.sourceforge.net)
>>
>>
>
>Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument.
>
>People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is simple
>to use and implement and makes some real sense...while the whole time, we
>have Sun pushing their J2EE crap down our throats.
>
>
Until I get it mounted on the net with some impressive demos it is going
to have problems marketing itself. People much prefer to download the
client side app of something, see it working, then poke though the
source, than download 10Mb+ of stuff and follow six deployment
instuctions....
What I really need is some more demos. We already have a slight fork of
Velocity's Forum demo running over RPC, and thus webapps are covered.
It is Swing GUIs with a decent interface/impl separated object model
that I need. Synergy blah blah with some other open source project.
There are a few nice ones already, but they are cursed by being EJB
using object models...
- Paul
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Jon Scott Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> wrote:
> I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
> EOB (eob.sourceforge.net)
Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument.
People realize that EJB sucks ass, so they develop something that is simple
to use and implement and makes some real sense...while the whole time, we
have Sun pushing their J2EE crap down our throats.
Maybe once Sun's stock price dips below 1.0 will they wake up...
-jon
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>.
But JBoss is. JBoss support EJB but has some features as a general app
server that are pretty sweet.
And as much as I wish we had something as good.... Jingoism aside....we
simply don't.
But I don't think JBoss is crying over not being an apache project at
the moment ;-)
I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like
EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) but had the high performance app server
facillies like JBoss.
Flame away!
-Andy
Paulo Gaspar wrote:
>Jon's predictions never became truth...
>...probably because J2EE is not interesting enough!
>=;o)
>
>Have fun,
>Paulo Gaspar
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
>>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM
>>To: Jakarta General List
>>Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article
>>
>>...
>>
>>Some history info:
>>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=java-apache-framework&m=97567909732611&w=2
>>
>>
>>--
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>> - verba volant, scripta manent -
>> (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
>>
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RE: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Paulo Gaspar <pa...@krankikom.de>.
Jon's predictions never became truth...
...probably because J2EE is not interesting enough!
=;o)
Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article
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>...
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> Some history info:
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
James Mitchell wrote:
> Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not
> accepted?
>
> I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed
> (from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there
> was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;)
>
> I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him
> directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few
> months back, and his response was something like...."nothing but a bunch of
> Sun guys there", but I couldn't make out exactly what he said.
>
> Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache?
Some history info:
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RE: Linux Magazine article
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@telocity.com>.
I'd like to see that.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:andy@superlinksoftware.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:55 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: Linux Magazine article
>
>
> I just wanted to say. I like Marc. He's fun :-)
> (but then again I like Jon too for many of the same reasons though I've
> not met him in person so my judgement may be suspect ;-) )
>
> BTW if we can get our act together and I can get the guts together to
> ask my boss for time off just after starting, I could try and bring VCDs
> of Marc vs IBM vs BEA vs Oracle (I couldn't find the right person to ask
> from sun until it was too late) to the apachecon. Let me know who wants
> them and I'll try.
>
> -Andy
>
> James Mitchell wrote:
>
> >Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not
> >accepted?
> >
> >I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed
> >(from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year)
> that there
> >was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;)
> >
> >I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him
> >directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few
> >months back, and his response was something like...."nothing but
> a bunch of
> >Sun guys there", but I couldn't make out exactly what he said.
> >
> >Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache?
> >
> >
> >James Mitchell
> >Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist
> >http://www.open-tools.org
> >
> >"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
> and I'm not
> >sure about the former."
> >- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Henri Yandell [mailto:bayard@generationjava.com]
> >>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:15 AM
> >>To: Jakarta General List
> >>Subject: Linux Magazine article
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Linux Magazine's backpage article is a little thing on Java and Linux
> >>together etc. [Steve J. Vaughan-Nichols]. Apache Software Foundation's
> >>Jakarta project gets a good mention, however he seems to
> ascribe JBoss as
> >>being a Jakarta project :) Which is a shame that maybe
> Jakarta's brand is
> >>being a bit too overpowering sometimes.
> >>
> >>Tomcat, Ant and POI also get mentions.
> >>
> >>My favourite quote:
> >>
> >>"I know: to many of you Java is this wishy-washy language that's way too
> >>wordy and structured." :)
> >>
> >>Thought it was interest,
> >>
> >>Hen
> >>
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <an...@superlinksoftware.com>.
I just wanted to say. I like Marc. He's fun :-)
(but then again I like Jon too for many of the same reasons though I've
not met him in person so my judgement may be suspect ;-) )
BTW if we can get our act together and I can get the guts together to
ask my boss for time off just after starting, I could try and bring VCDs
of Marc vs IBM vs BEA vs Oracle (I couldn't find the right person to ask
from sun until it was too late) to the apachecon. Let me know who wants
them and I'll try.
-Andy
James Mitchell wrote:
>Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not
>accepted?
>
>I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed
>(from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there
>was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;)
>
>I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him
>directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few
>months back, and his response was something like...."nothing but a bunch of
>Sun guys there", but I couldn't make out exactly what he said.
>
>Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache?
>
>
>James Mitchell
>Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist
>http://www.open-tools.org
>
>"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
>sure about the former."
>- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
>
>
>
>
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>>From: Henri Yandell [mailto:bayard@generationjava.com]
>>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:15 AM
>>To: Jakarta General List
>>Subject: Linux Magazine article
>>
>>
>>
>>Linux Magazine's backpage article is a little thing on Java and Linux
>>together etc. [Steve J. Vaughan-Nichols]. Apache Software Foundation's
>>Jakarta project gets a good mention, however he seems to ascribe JBoss as
>>being a Jakarta project :) Which is a shame that maybe Jakarta's brand is
>>being a bit too overpowering sometimes.
>>
>>Tomcat, Ant and POI also get mentions.
>>
>>My favourite quote:
>>
>>"I know: to many of you Java is this wishy-washy language that's way too
>>wordy and structured." :)
>>
>>Thought it was interest,
>>
>>Hen
>>
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Re: Linux Magazine article
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
On 25/10/02 7:17, "James Mitchell" <jm...@telocity.com> wrote:
> Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not
> accepted?
Question floats around from time to time... It always ends up in someone
being flamed badly and nothing happening...
The "wishy-washy" relationship started when, IIRC, when back in the days
(the first time we were told to "join efforts") he called us something like
"old ladies drinking tea", or some stuff like that...
> I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed
> (from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there
> was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;)
>
> I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him
> directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few
> months back, and his response was something like...."nothing but a bunch of
> Sun guys there", but I couldn't make out exactly what he said.
>
> Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache?
It's not true... I believe that the ASF doesn't want to have JBoss on its
list of projects, and JBoss doesn't want to move along and join the ASF...
>From time to time, someone happening to be in both communities at the same
time, thinks it might be a good idea to push for it, and does so...
But at the end, I believe that both communities are really divided and can't
be brought together... Both communities grew from the same seed, Java and
Open Source, but whilst one (Apache) has always been fond of its BSD roots
and moves along the lines, the Jboss one is actually more tied to GPL and
another vision of open source...
I think they both coexist happily in the world, but at the same time I don't
think any one of those should loose its credos to embrace the other
community way of doing things...
And plus, we're more polite, we don't call them "nothing but a bunch of
Fleury's adepts there", or "young kids drinking cocoa" :-)
Pier
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RE: Linux Magazine article
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@telocity.com>.
Is it true that Marc had asked to move JBoss over and that it was not
accepted?
I guess I was not around during that time (if it ever was). I had sensed
(from monitoring the Jboss-users and dev lists early this year) that there
was a bit of ill sentiment towards the 'Jakarta Love Train' ;)
I had heard rumors, but never knew what to make of it until I asked him
directly myself at a JBoss presentation at the local JUG meeting a few
months back, and his response was something like...."nothing but a bunch of
Sun guys there", but I couldn't make out exactly what he said.
Is any of this true? Was Jboss rejected from joining Apache?
James Mitchell
Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist
http://www.open-tools.org
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henri Yandell [mailto:bayard@generationjava.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:15 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Linux Magazine article
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> Linux Magazine's backpage article is a little thing on Java and Linux
> together etc. [Steve J. Vaughan-Nichols]. Apache Software Foundation's
> Jakarta project gets a good mention, however he seems to ascribe JBoss as
> being a Jakarta project :) Which is a shame that maybe Jakarta's brand is
> being a bit too overpowering sometimes.
>
> Tomcat, Ant and POI also get mentions.
>
> My favourite quote:
>
> "I know: to many of you Java is this wishy-washy language that's way too
> wordy and structured." :)
>
> Thought it was interest,
>
> Hen
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