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[doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to
bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i
think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual
content rather a second hand account.
can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be private...?
- robert
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Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 8/29/06, Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com> wrote:
>
> (moved from general@incubator since I imagine some people want to say
> something who don't read that)
? Um, I don't think you moved it anywhere. ;-)
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:39:52AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> > On 8/28/06, robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to
> > >bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i
> > >think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual
> > >content rather a second hand account.
> > >
> > >can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be
> private...?
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html
> >
> > (They should generally be treated as private until the minutes are
> > approved and posted there.)
>
> Huh? Why? What kind of data is in there that needs to be private?
>
> You mean wait 9 months for a TLP to start operating? Or wait implementing
> new
> legal policies for about 6 months are they're ratifieid?
>
> If, after a board meeting, there was some kind of (short or long)
> notification
> that a particular resolution was made/tabled/rejected, I think you could
> trust
> the board@ people to be reasonable and appropriate about disclosing that
> information, sometimes including the full text of the resolution.
>
> That's certainly how I've seen things happen over the last few years (even
> if
> the result of board meetings is not always reported informally, when it
> is, that
> usually prompts near-immediate action). For example, I think loads of TLPs
> list
> their "Creation resolution", and I think most of them did that before it
> was in
> the official minutes. Similarly, I'll bet we had the ASLv1.1 -> ALv2
> conversion
> well underway before it appeared in the minutes.
Up to about a year ago, board summaries were sent to committers@, and so
were public. Since then, they've been sent to members@ instead, making them
private. I don't know the reason for the change, but if they went back to
being public again, I would expect that pieces of them could be extracted
and used as they used to be.
--
Martin Cooper
LSD
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Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 8/30/06, Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:30:32AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> > I just don't see the cause for your angst here. -- justin
>
> And I just don't see any reason to keep things private. Private ~= bad,
> when it can be avoided. Basic way to keep a distributed volunteer
> organisation transparent. Etc etc. We're obviously not communicating
> well. I'll let Robert figure out what he wanted and argue a specific
> point. Sorry for the mess.
i suspect that the documents are not actually official minutes until
they have been approved. to publicise private drafts would be
misleading.
i wanted to include some resolutions about mailing lists (naming and
so on) from months and months ago so that should be fine.
- robert
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Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:30:32AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> I just don't see the cause for your angst here. -- justin
And I just don't see any reason to keep things private. Private ~= bad,
when it can be avoided. Basic way to keep a distributed volunteer
organisation transparent. Etc etc. We're obviously not communicating
well. I'll let Robert figure out what he wanted and argue a specific
point. Sorry for the mess.
LSD
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Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>.
On 8/29/06, Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com> wrote:
> Huh? Why? What kind of data is in there that needs to be private?
>
> You mean wait 9 months for a TLP to start operating? Or wait implementing new
> legal policies for about 6 months are they're ratifieid?
Huh?
The minutes are generally approved at the following month's board
meeting (yes, there are occasional exceptions). But, until either the
minutes are approved by the Board or the Chairman explicitly permits
otherwise, I don't think the full text of the resolutions and their
accompanying votes should be posted on a public ASF website. Once the
minutes are approved though, it's obviously fair game.
As I understood Robert, this had nothing to do with informing people
that "The Board created TLP X", but rather disclosing the full text of
the resolution for informational purposes.
I just don't see the cause for your angst here. -- justin
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Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
(moved from general@incubator since I imagine some people want to say
something who don't read that)
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 11:39:52AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On 8/28/06, robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to
> >bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i
> >think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual
> >content rather a second hand account.
> >
> >can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be private...?
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html
>
> (They should generally be treated as private until the minutes are
> approved and posted there.)
Huh? Why? What kind of data is in there that needs to be private?
You mean wait 9 months for a TLP to start operating? Or wait implementing new
legal policies for about 6 months are they're ratifieid?
If, after a board meeting, there was some kind of (short or long) notification
that a particular resolution was made/tabled/rejected, I think you could trust
the board@ people to be reasonable and appropriate about disclosing that
information, sometimes including the full text of the resolution.
That's certainly how I've seen things happen over the last few years (even if
the result of board meetings is not always reported informally, when it is, that
usually prompts near-immediate action). For example, I think loads of TLPs list
their "Creation resolution", and I think most of them did that before it was in
the official minutes. Similarly, I'll bet we had the ASLv1.1 -> ALv2 conversion
well underway before it appeared in the minutes.
LSD
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Re: [doc] are board resolutions ok for http://incubator.apache.org/official/...?
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>.
On 8/28/06, robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i have one or two board resolutions that it would be a good idea to
> bring to the attention of new podlings. since it's board policy, i
> think it'd be better to link to html documents containing the actual
> content rather a second hand account.
>
> can anyone think of any reason why board resolutions should be private...?
http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html
(They should generally be treated as private until the minutes are
approved and posted there.)
HTH. -- justin
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