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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by Anders Norrbring <li...@norrbring.se> on 2006/08/29 20:51:14 UTC
AWL confusion..
I just got rediciously confused..
I sent a mail to myself, testing some stuff, and of course it's in the
same domain and network as the server.
I got:
9.6 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
Shouldn't mail in the AWL get a *negative* score? Or did I just mess my
mind up?
--
Anders Norrbring
Norrbring Consulting
Re: AWL confusion..
Posted by Anthony Peacock <a....@chime.ucl.ac.uk>.
Anders Norrbring wrote:
> I just got rediciously confused..
>
> I sent a mail to myself, testing some stuff, and of course it's in the
> same domain and network as the server.
>
> I got:
> 9.6 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
>
> Shouldn't mail in the AWL get a *negative* score? Or did I just mess my
> mind up?
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/AwlWrongWay
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then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an
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Re: AWL confusion.. (drinking game)
Posted by Anders Norrbring <li...@norrbring.se>.
Matt Kettler skrev:
> Anders Norrbring wrote:
>>> *sigh*.. do we really need to start a SpamAssassin-Users mailing list
>>> drinking game?
>>>
>>> For those not familiar, when you get home for the evening, sit down,
>>> with a beverage of your choice (milk, soda, coffee, wine, beer) and read
>>> the days mail for spamassassin-users.
>>>
>>> 3 drinks - Poster believes the name AWL is accurate, and wonders why
>>> they got a positive score.
>>> 1 drink - Poster asks a question answered by a wiki article
>>>
>> Sure, go ahead... Or make a decent Wiki article index so it's possible
>> to surf the wiki in a way that makes any sense.
>>
>> Now it's hard to find articles, the wiki search often returns no
>> results, or even pages without relevance.
> While I'll agree the index needs some improvement, and the search does
> not work for many things, the default behavior if you type "awl" in the
> search box and hit enter yields:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=awl&titlesearch=Titles
>
> Which has AwlWrongWay as the first hit
>
> And going to the "CategoryFaq" link, under "starting points" on the
> index yields:
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CategoryFaq
>
> Which has AwlWrongWay as the 6th entry.
>
> That said, http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> really should link to http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CategoryFaq
True. Sadly enough, many people (me on that list) get so frustrated
while trying to find out about specific topics that we simply turn
elsewhere (like google) instead. Of course with loads of hits to hints,
tips and tricks, which turns out to be worth as much as a sunlamp in
Sahara when tested...
Or we go asking stupid questions on the list.
I'm very familiar with my old, but not so trustworthy anymore, SA 2.6.x
and I got kindof confused by the many changed options and concepts in 3.1.
<whine>
Since I'm setting up a new mail gateway, there are a couple of options
that need to interact, and with a documentation and wiki like the
current SA, it turns into a annoying job to do it.
</whine>
I'm on to the AV scanning now, wish me luck.. Hehe.
--
Anders Norrbring
Norrbring Consulting
Re: AWL confusion.. (drinking game)
Posted by DAve <da...@pixelhammer.com>.
Matt Kettler wrote:
> Anders Norrbring wrote:
>>> *sigh*.. do we really need to start a SpamAssassin-Users mailing list
>>> drinking game?
>>>
>>> For those not familiar, when you get home for the evening, sit down,
>>> with a beverage of your choice (milk, soda, coffee, wine, beer) and read
>>> the days mail for spamassassin-users.
>>>
>>> 3 drinks - Poster believes the name AWL is accurate, and wonders why
>>> they got a positive score.
>>> 1 drink - Poster asks a question answered by a wiki article
>>>
>> Sure, go ahead... Or make a decent Wiki article index so it's possible
>> to surf the wiki in a way that makes any sense.
>>
>> Now it's hard to find articles, the wiki search often returns no
>> results, or even pages without relevance.
> While I'll agree the index needs some improvement, and the search does
> not work for many things, the default behavior if you type "awl" in the
> search box and hit enter yields:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=awl&titlesearch=Titles
>
> Which has AwlWrongWay as the first hit
>
> And going to the "CategoryFaq" link, under "starting points" on the
> index yields:
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CategoryFaq
>
> Which has AwlWrongWay as the 6th entry.
>
> That said, http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> really should link to http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CategoryFaq
Wikis are evil, they remind me of the old faq-o-matic, ugh. That is
just my opinion, and opinions are like... well you know.
The problem with searching is that someone new to a product doesn't
always know what to search for. Many times I have had our support guys
pass an issue on to me and I found the solution first try in Yahoo
Search. The difference was I searched on "wigit rotation knob" and they
searched on 'turning wigitknob left".
In your example "autowhitelist low score" returns nothing useful, nor
does "change awl score" or "awl score too high". Not everyone would try
just entering "awl". Certainly after most people have gotten
eighty-two-hundred-bazillion hits on a search engine, 99% of which are
unrelated, by using a simplistic search. Folks learn to be very specific
when searching.
Maybe each article on the wiki should be indexed to a specific config
option, or options? Just a thought.
DAve
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Re: AWL confusion.. (drinking game)
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@comcast.net>.
Anders Norrbring wrote:
>
>> *sigh*.. do we really need to start a SpamAssassin-Users mailing list
>> drinking game?
>>
>> For those not familiar, when you get home for the evening, sit down,
>> with a beverage of your choice (milk, soda, coffee, wine, beer) and read
>> the days mail for spamassassin-users.
>>
>> 3 drinks - Poster believes the name AWL is accurate, and wonders why
>> they got a positive score.
>> 1 drink - Poster asks a question answered by a wiki article
>>
>
> Sure, go ahead... Or make a decent Wiki article index so it's possible
> to surf the wiki in a way that makes any sense.
>
> Now it's hard to find articles, the wiki search often returns no
> results, or even pages without relevance.
While I'll agree the index needs some improvement, and the search does
not work for many things, the default behavior if you type "awl" in the
search box and hit enter yields:
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=awl&titlesearch=Titles
Which has AwlWrongWay as the first hit
And going to the "CategoryFaq" link, under "starting points" on the
index yields:
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CategoryFaq
Which has AwlWrongWay as the 6th entry.
That said, http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
really should link to http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CategoryFaq
Re: AWL confusion.. (drinking game)
Posted by Anders Norrbring <li...@norrbring.se>.
> *sigh*.. do we really need to start a SpamAssassin-Users mailing list
> drinking game?
>
> For those not familiar, when you get home for the evening, sit down,
> with a beverage of your choice (milk, soda, coffee, wine, beer) and read
> the days mail for spamassassin-users.
>
> 3 drinks - Poster believes the name AWL is accurate, and wonders why
> they got a positive score.
> 1 drink - Poster asks a question answered by a wiki article
>
Sure, go ahead... Or make a decent Wiki article index so it's possible
to surf the wiki in a way that makes any sense.
Now it's hard to find articles, the wiki search often returns no
results, or even pages without relevance.
--
Anders Norrbring
Norrbring Consulting
Re: AWL confusion.. (drinking game)
Posted by Matt Kettler <mk...@comcast.net>.
Theo Van Dinter wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:51:14PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote:
>
>> Shouldn't mail in the AWL get a *negative* score? Or did I just mess my
>> mind up?
>>
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/AwlWrongWay
>
>
*sigh*.. do we really need to start a SpamAssassin-Users mailing list
drinking game?
For those not familiar, when you get home for the evening, sit down,
with a beverage of your choice (milk, soda, coffee, wine, beer) and read
the days mail for spamassassin-users.
3 drinks - Poster believes the name AWL is accurate, and wonders why
they got a positive score.
1 drink - Poster asks a question answered by a wiki article
Others rules, not applicable here:
2 drinks - Poster asks a question answered in the FAQ
2 drinks - Poster asks a question answered in the README, INSTALL or
UPGRADE files.
3 drinks - Poster installed SA, but didn't hook it to their mail system
and wonders why it isn't working.
quadruple-score - Poster is on the SpamAssassin project management
committee. (as per the section of CREDITS)
triple-score - Poster is a SpamAssassin committer (as per the section
of CREDITS)
double-score - Poster is a SpamAssassin contributor (anyone else listed
in CREDITS )
Re: AWL confusion..
Posted by Theo Van Dinter <fe...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 08:51:14PM +0200, Anders Norrbring wrote:
> Shouldn't mail in the AWL get a *negative* score? Or did I just mess my
> mind up?
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/AwlWrongWay
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Re: AWL confusion..
Posted by Andreas Pettersson <an...@telia.com>.
Anders Norrbring wrote:
> I just got rediciously confused..
>
> I sent a mail to myself, testing some stuff, and of course it's in the
> same domain and network as the server.
>
> I got:
> 9.6 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list
>
> Shouldn't mail in the AWL get a *negative* score? Or did I just mess
> my mind up?
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/AwlWrongWay
Regards,
Andreas