topics 4 newsgroup/mailing list 4 tomcat/catalina

[Warren Crossing <Wa...@nocode.com.au>]

i have noticed some familiar topics that arise on this mailing list and have
grouped them under the following, please feel free to contribute.

deployment/tomcat/catalina/runtime/configuration
ajp,performance tuning, server.xml config, virtual hosting
classpath. catalina operating systems, iis, netscape, stability, jndi, jdbc
realm web modules, ant build, mod_k, hanging, bouncing, access logs,

development/servlets/jsp/api
servlets api, jsp, tags, tomcat dev, ejbs, how tos, webapps examples,web-inf
web.xml lib & classes, java code, javascript, html, xml, turbine, struts,
beans, jndi, log4j, resource-jdbc pools, cookies, sessions, http, soap,
classloader, j_security_check

general/pre-sales/non-tech
not using tomcat yet but?, where can i find, next version differences,
release notes, wheres the documentation, whats j2ee, whats a jsp, database
support, vs's, unsubscribe, moderate,

might lead to a faster resolution of issues/questions/statements

another thing that might help is if threads are persued and continued and
knowledge is collected and gathered in a specific area, maybe to assist in
documentation & debugging, instead of the brandishing about of repeated
questions(spam, yes & spam) which could easily be searched for on this list.
even google.com does a pretty good job of indexing this mailing list, maybe
a week or two old but..

-----Original Message-----
From: Milt Epstein [mailto:mepstein@uiuc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2001 9:19 AM
To: tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: Should we do moderation on this mailinglist??


On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Gary Dale wrote:

> I'd prefer to see a news group rather than this mailing list.
> Something like comp.infosystems.www.servers.apache.jakarta or just
> comp.infosystems.www.servers.jakarta would be appropriate. For that
> matter, there should be comp.infosystems.www.servers.apache group
> too.  The ms-windows and unix subgroups of www.servers aren't very
> appropriate since many of the issues relating to Apache are common
> to multiple OSs.
[ ... ]

Seems to me, having a newsgroup is fine, but I don't see why it needs
to be an either/or thing.  There is a procedure for creating
newsgroups, and if anyone wants to get the process started for a
tomcat/jakarta/apache newsgroup (or newsgroups), they're certainly
welcome to.  But regardless of whether that happens (and/or succeeds,
which is certainly not a sure thing), there's no reason the mailing
list can't go on.

Regarding moderating the mailing list, I don't think that is feasible.
For one thing, as some have suggested, it would take a lot of work, so
it would be hard to find people to do it.  Plus philosophically, I'm
not sure we really want to go that route.  And of course, there is a
list owner (that exists as an entity, if not a person or persons, even
if they don't show themselves around here much :-), and they'd get
final say it what happens with this list.  That may be the biggest
point, because there has been no input from any "owner" on this list
for a while on any of these issues (although they are on record as
saying a newsgroup is a bad idea, mostly because many people don't
have access to newsgroups because of firewalls, proxies, and such).

Also, no disrespect intended, but I'm not sure it's such a good idea
to try to come up with sweeping ideas to "improve" a mailing list
after having only been subscribed a few weeks.  That's not very long
to get to know the ins and outs of a mailing list, how things ebb and
flow, what's been suggested/tried or not, etc.

Anyway, of the recent ideas suggested, I think the one that has the
best combination of merit/feasibility is dividing up the list into
sub-lists.  This would have to be done carefully, of course, to
actually improve the situation.  I'd be willing to give this a go
(although it might be the kind of thing where it would be good to have
more than one person involved).  The first step though, would be to
try to get in contact with the list owner and see if they would go for
it.  I'll try doing that.

Milt Epstein
Research Programmer
Software/Systems Development Group
Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
mepstein@uiuc.edu