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Posted to dev@metron.apache.org by Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> on 2017/10/06 12:27:05 UTC
Quick Dev
So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure everybody's
been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably broken since
I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to use quick
dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is going to be
incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so we aren't
at least broken to anyone coming in.
After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and full dev
and take care of whatever needs to be done.
Thoughts?
Justin
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>.
Created METRON-1239 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/METRON-1239> to
track this.
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Simon Elliston Ball <
simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
> I think the codelab build might be more Metron archeologist!
>
> +1 to a big old clearout, especially on the wiki.
>
> > On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:57, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
> >
> > I doubt it has been run in a long, long time. It was originally created
> > for some Meetups that we did early on in the project. Useful then, but
> not
> > any longer. It might have even predated Quick Dev.
> >
> > FYI - We have an opening for Metron Team Historian. Send a cover letter,
> > CV and $150 application fee to me for consideration. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:52 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> What is the point of that anyway? It just looks like full dev with no
> >> skipTags? That seems like it should just be documented that you can run
> >> with Vagrant with '--ansible-skip-tags'? We probably should document any
> >> tags you might want to skip anyway.
> >>
> >> I'm pretty in favor of killing that.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The same case might be made for the Code Lab Platform
> >>> `metron-deployment/vagrant/codelab-platform`?
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:44 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Wiki updated. It now points to full dev and the link just says "Dev
> >>>> Platform"
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1 To killing Quick Dev and updating the Wiki. Quick Dev has been
> >>> broken
> >>>>> for eons. Simon's point about "profusion of installs" makes a lot of
> >>>> sense
> >>>>> too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM Simon Elliston Ball <
> >>>>> simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> +1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install
> >>> and
> >>>>> run
> >>>>>> methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be
> >> a
> >>>> lot
> >>>>>> easier on the user list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one
> >> less
> >>>>> thing
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> upgrade to centos 7 as well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jon
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure
> >>>>> everybody's
> >>>>>>>> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably
> >>> broken
> >>>>>> since
> >>>>>>>> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to
> >> use
> >>>>> quick
> >>>>>>>> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is
> >>>> going
> >>>>>> to be
> >>>>>>>> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so
> >>> we
> >>>>>> aren't
> >>>>>>>> at least broken to anyone coming in.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and
> >>> full
> >>>>> dev
> >>>>>>>> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Justin
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Simon Elliston Ball <si...@simonellistonball.com>.
I think the codelab build might be more Metron archeologist!
+1 to a big old clearout, especially on the wiki.
> On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:57, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
>
> I doubt it has been run in a long, long time. It was originally created
> for some Meetups that we did early on in the project. Useful then, but not
> any longer. It might have even predated Quick Dev.
>
> FYI - We have an opening for Metron Team Historian. Send a cover letter,
> CV and $150 application fee to me for consideration. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:52 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What is the point of that anyway? It just looks like full dev with no
>> skipTags? That seems like it should just be documented that you can run
>> with Vagrant with '--ansible-skip-tags'? We probably should document any
>> tags you might want to skip anyway.
>>
>> I'm pretty in favor of killing that.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The same case might be made for the Code Lab Platform
>>> `metron-deployment/vagrant/codelab-platform`?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:44 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wiki updated. It now points to full dev and the link just says "Dev
>>>> Platform"
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 To killing Quick Dev and updating the Wiki. Quick Dev has been
>>> broken
>>>>> for eons. Simon's point about "profusion of installs" makes a lot of
>>>> sense
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM Simon Elliston Ball <
>>>>> simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install
>>> and
>>>>> run
>>>>>> methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be
>> a
>>>> lot
>>>>>> easier on the user list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one
>> less
>>>>> thing
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> upgrade to centos 7 as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure
>>>>> everybody's
>>>>>>>> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably
>>> broken
>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to
>> use
>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is
>>>> going
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so
>>> we
>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>> at least broken to anyone coming in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and
>>> full
>>>>> dev
>>>>>>>> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org>.
I doubt it has been run in a long, long time. It was originally created
for some Meetups that we did early on in the project. Useful then, but not
any longer. It might have even predated Quick Dev.
FYI - We have an opening for Metron Team Historian. Send a cover letter,
CV and $150 application fee to me for consideration. :)
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:52 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the point of that anyway? It just looks like full dev with no
> skipTags? That seems like it should just be documented that you can run
> with Vagrant with '--ansible-skip-tags'? We probably should document any
> tags you might want to skip anyway.
>
> I'm pretty in favor of killing that.
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
>
> > The same case might be made for the Code Lab Platform
> > `metron-deployment/vagrant/codelab-platform`?
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:44 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Wiki updated. It now points to full dev and the link just says "Dev
> > > Platform"
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 To killing Quick Dev and updating the Wiki. Quick Dev has been
> > broken
> > > > for eons. Simon's point about "profusion of installs" makes a lot of
> > > sense
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM Simon Elliston Ball <
> > > > simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install
> > and
> > > > run
> > > > > methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be
> a
> > > lot
> > > > > easier on the user list.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one
> less
> > > > thing
> > > > > to
> > > > > > upgrade to centos 7 as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure
> > > > everybody's
> > > > > >> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably
> > broken
> > > > > since
> > > > > >> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to
> use
> > > > quick
> > > > > >> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is
> > > going
> > > > > to be
> > > > > >> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so
> > we
> > > > > aren't
> > > > > >> at least broken to anyone coming in.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and
> > full
> > > > dev
> > > > > >> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Justin
> > > > > >>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>.
What is the point of that anyway? It just looks like full dev with no
skipTags? That seems like it should just be documented that you can run
with Vagrant with '--ansible-skip-tags'? We probably should document any
tags you might want to skip anyway.
I'm pretty in favor of killing that.
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
> The same case might be made for the Code Lab Platform
> `metron-deployment/vagrant/codelab-platform`?
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:44 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wiki updated. It now points to full dev and the link just says "Dev
> > Platform"
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 To killing Quick Dev and updating the Wiki. Quick Dev has been
> broken
> > > for eons. Simon's point about "profusion of installs" makes a lot of
> > sense
> > > too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM Simon Elliston Ball <
> > > simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install
> and
> > > run
> > > > methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be a
> > lot
> > > > easier on the user list.
> > > >
> > > > > On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one less
> > > thing
> > > > to
> > > > > upgrade to centos 7 as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure
> > > everybody's
> > > > >> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably
> broken
> > > > since
> > > > >> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to use
> > > quick
> > > > >> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is
> > going
> > > > to be
> > > > >> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so
> we
> > > > aren't
> > > > >> at least broken to anyone coming in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and
> full
> > > dev
> > > > >> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Justin
> > > > >>
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org>.
The same case might be made for the Code Lab Platform
`metron-deployment/vagrant/codelab-platform`?
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:44 AM Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wiki updated. It now points to full dev and the link just says "Dev
> Platform"
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 To killing Quick Dev and updating the Wiki. Quick Dev has been broken
> > for eons. Simon's point about "profusion of installs" makes a lot of
> sense
> > too.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM Simon Elliston Ball <
> > simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install and
> > run
> > > methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be a
> lot
> > > easier on the user list.
> > >
> > > > On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one less
> > thing
> > > to
> > > > upgrade to centos 7 as well.
> > > >
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure
> > everybody's
> > > >> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably broken
> > > since
> > > >> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
> > > >>
> > > >> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to use
> > quick
> > > >> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is
> going
> > > to be
> > > >> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
> > > >>
> > > >> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so we
> > > aren't
> > > >> at least broken to anyone coming in.
> > > >>
> > > >> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and full
> > dev
> > > >> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> Justin
> > > >>
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com>.
Wiki updated. It now points to full dev and the link just says "Dev
Platform"
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org> wrote:
> +1 To killing Quick Dev and updating the Wiki. Quick Dev has been broken
> for eons. Simon's point about "profusion of installs" makes a lot of sense
> too.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM Simon Elliston Ball <
> simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
>
> > +1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install and
> run
> > methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be a lot
> > easier on the user list.
> >
> > > On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one less
> thing
> > to
> > > upgrade to centos 7 as well.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure
> everybody's
> > >> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably broken
> > since
> > >> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
> > >>
> > >> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to use
> quick
> > >> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is going
> > to be
> > >> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
> > >>
> > >> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so we
> > aren't
> > >> at least broken to anyone coming in.
> > >>
> > >> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and full
> dev
> > >> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> Justin
> > >>
> > > --
> > >
> > > Jon
> >
> >
>
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Nick Allen <ni...@nickallen.org>.
+1 To killing Quick Dev and updating the Wiki. Quick Dev has been broken
for eons. Simon's point about "profusion of installs" makes a lot of sense
too.
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:33 AM Simon Elliston Ball <
simon@simonellistonball.com> wrote:
> +1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install and run
> methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be a lot
> easier on the user list.
>
> > On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one less thing
> to
> > upgrade to centos 7 as well.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure everybody's
> >> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably broken
> since
> >> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
> >>
> >> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to use quick
> >> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is going
> to be
> >> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
> >>
> >> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so we
> aren't
> >> at least broken to anyone coming in.
> >>
> >> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and full dev
> >> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Justin
> >>
> > --
> >
> > Jon
>
>
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by Simon Elliston Ball <si...@simonellistonball.com>.
+1 we see a lot of people struggling with the profusion of install and run methods as it is, if we can reduce that surface area, life will be a lot easier on the user list.
> On 6 Oct 2017, at 13:28, Zeolla@GMail.com <ze...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one less thing to
> upgrade to centos 7 as well.
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure everybody's
>> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably broken since
>> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
>>
>> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to use quick
>> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is going to be
>> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
>>
>> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so we aren't
>> at least broken to anyone coming in.
>>
>> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and full dev
>> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Justin
>>
> --
>
> Jon
Re: Quick Dev
Posted by "Zeolla@GMail.com" <ze...@gmail.com>.
I say we kill it and repoint the site. That will give us one less thing to
upgrade to centos 7 as well.
Jon
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017, 08:27 Justin Leet <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So what are we going to do with Quick Dev? I'm pretty sure everybody's
> been using full dev for awhile now (and quick dev is probably broken since
> I'm sure we haven't been regularly updating it).
>
> I just realized our website links to a wiki page that says to use quick
> dev. Given that quick dev is broken or behind or both, this is going to be
> incredibly confusing and misleading to anyone wandering in.
>
> A short term fix is to just point that wiki page to full dev, so we aren't
> at least broken to anyone coming in.
>
> After that we should figure out what we're doing with quick and full dev
> and take care of whatever needs to be done.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Justin
>
--
Jon