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Posted to users@flex.apache.org by core000 <ka...@gmail.com> on 2015/08/22 04:31:25 UTC

Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Alex, let me first say that I commend you and your team on the effort on
maturing the FlexJS platform. However, from watching the videos from you
and your team on the overview and progress of Flex JS, the tone sounds one
of defeat. e.g. "transitioning to Flex JS will not convert all the AS
code, but atleast you do not have to do everything from scratch in JS".As
the mention of Flash on the Adobe site gets more rare each time I visit, I
don't see where Flash plays in Adobe's strategy anymore. Suggestion 1:
Why not convince Adobe to make the Flash Player open source and hand it over
to Apache? I'm not sure why they would want to hold on to it. I own a tech
firm in NYC and all of my platforms that I build for my clients are in Flex,
which they are thrilled about. Having to wait for Flex JS to mature and
semi-learning a new language does not seem the best way forward. Acquiring
Flash Player will ensure that the plugin consistently is patched (like OSX,
Windows,IOS, Android) and let us continue to mature our current
apps.Suggestion 2: From the time in 2011 when Steve Jobs attacked Flash,
it's been down hill for the Flex platform. Recently, you have Facebook
asking for the death to Flash. Why would they want something that their
platform does not even depend on to be decommissioned? And Kevin Lynch,
the father of Flash from Macromedia, now works at Apple. I sense something
fishy is going on. Also, my team and I have also researched HTML5/JS.
Besides a few good libraries like D3.js, I'm not sure what the hype is
about. Most of the features are not available in all browsers, JS
libraries pop up and die out, and the look and feel (e.g. jQuery) is
outdated. It feels like the 90's all over again. We must put effort in
socializing Flash/Flex benefits again. Perhaps having Flex vs. HTML5 sites
up to showcase how far ahead of the game Flex is.I'm confident that many in
the Flex community are concerned that any day Flash Player will be
decommissioned and that will put most of us (many in huge corporations) in a
bind. Adobe seems to be a company that can buckle under pressure.What are
your (and the community here) thoughts? Thanks,Core000

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Re: Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Posted by Gary Yang <fl...@gmail.com>.

html5 + JS can do more and more, but because of the compatibility issue,
Flash/Air will always have huge advantages only/when working on complex UI,
so the business model needs to change, Flash/Air should focus on complex UI
which delivers more value and productivity for professional need more than
just submitting forms or view videos.

html5 + JS is taking over only the lower end applications, which is
majority in quantity, advertise, submitting orders or controlling video
plays, but the high end value is still untouched, which is for
professionals to be productive!

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Hans Nuecke <hn...@vservu.de> wrote:

> +5 ;-)
> Northing's black & white, and a lot was/is driven by pure and egoistic
> interests of some big companies that only care about "shareholder value"
> and growth; and forget their customers about it.
> I like to have choices and attempt to use what is best for the actual job.
> This can be AS3/AIR/FLEX/FlexJS, Java, ... or JS; with whatever additional
> libs/framework (Typscript, AngularJS, JQuery, ...).
>
> I'm happy with what apache is doing; and how well e.g. Flex is maintained.
> Adding AS3/AIR and FLASH would make me feel much more comfortable than I
> feel right now ;-)
>
>
>
> Am 22.08.2015 um 09:43 schrieb OmPrakash Muppirala:
>
>> Can't we use both?  Why pick one and kill the other one?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Me.Com <an...@leapingbytes.net> wrote:
>>
>> Flash used to be the only game in town. Now, there is nothing that Flash
>>> can do which could not be done by JS. Maybe if Adobe open source Flash
>>> Player… the community can resolve all the security and performance issues
>>> that Flash is synonymous with… but it will require time… and it still
>>> will
>>> not answer the fundamental question - why bother?  Yes… there are number
>>> of
>>> Flash applications which some company rely on… but no one can argue that
>>> there are enough of these to justify keeping flash around.  Sorry… if
>>> your
>>> business relies on flash… you will get burn.  Better accept it ASAP and
>>> develop plan B.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Me.Com
>>> Sent with Airmail
>>>
>>> On August 21, 2015 at 19:36:05 , core000 (kaushal.shah05@gmail.com)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Alex, let me first say that I commend you and your team on the effort on
>>> maturing the FlexJS platform. However, from watching the videos from you
>>> and your team on the overview and progress of Flex JS, the tone sounds
>>> one
>>> of defeat. e.g. "transitioning to Flex JS will not convert all the AS
>>> code, but atleast you do not have to do everything from scratch in JS".As
>>> the mention of Flash on the Adobe site gets more rare each time I visit,
>>> I
>>> don't see where Flash plays in Adobe's strategy anymore. Suggestion 1:
>>> Why not convince Adobe to make the Flash Player open source and hand it
>>> over
>>> to Apache? I'm not sure why they would want to hold on to it. I own a
>>> tech
>>> firm in NYC and all of my platforms that I build for my clients are in
>>> Flex,
>>> which they are thrilled about. Having to wait for Flex JS to mature and
>>> semi-learning a new language does not seem the best way forward.
>>> Acquiring
>>> Flash Player will ensure that the plugin consistently is patched (like
>>> OSX,
>>> Windows,IOS, Android) and let us continue to mature our current
>>> apps.Suggestion 2: From the time in 2011 when Steve Jobs attacked Flash,
>>> it's been down hill for the Flex platform. Recently, you have Facebook
>>> asking for the death to Flash. Why would they want something that their
>>> platform does not even depend on to be decommissioned? And Kevin Lynch,
>>> the father of Flash from Macromedia, now works at Apple. I sense
>>> something
>>> fishy is going on. Also, my team and I have also researched HTML5/JS.
>>> Besides a few good libraries like D3.js, I'm not sure what the hype is
>>> about. Most of the features are not available in all browsers, JS
>>> libraries pop up and die out, and the look and feel (e.g. jQuery) is
>>> outdated. It feels like the 90's all over again. We must put effort in
>>> socializing Flash/Flex benefits again. Perhaps having Flex vs. HTML5
>>> sites
>>> up to showcase how far ahead of the game Flex is.I'm confident that many
>>> in
>>> the Flex community are concerned that any day Flash Player will be
>>> decommissioned and that will put most of us (many in huge corporations)
>>> in
>>> a
>>> bind. Adobe seems to be a company that can buckle under pressure.What are
>>> your (and the community here) thoughts? Thanks,Core000
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>>
>>> http://apache-flex-users.2333346.n4.nabble.com/Attention-Alex-Harui-Acquire-Flash-Player-tp11010.html
>>> Sent from the Apache Flex Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>

Re: Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Posted by Hans Nuecke <hn...@vservu.de>.

+5 ;-)
Northing's black & white, and a lot was/is driven by pure and egoistic 
interests of some big companies that only care about "shareholder value" 
and growth; and forget their customers about it.
I like to have choices and attempt to use what is best for the actual 
job. This can be AS3/AIR/FLEX/FlexJS, Java, ... or JS; with whatever 
additional libs/framework (Typscript, AngularJS, JQuery, ...).

I'm happy with what apache is doing; and how well e.g. Flex is maintained.
Adding AS3/AIR and FLASH would make me feel much more comfortable than I 
feel right now ;-)


Am 22.08.2015 um 09:43 schrieb OmPrakash Muppirala:
> Can't we use both?  Why pick one and kill the other one?
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Me.Com <an...@leapingbytes.net> wrote:
>
>> Flash used to be the only game in town. Now, there is nothing that Flash
>> can do which could not be done by JS. Maybe if Adobe open source Flash
>> Player… the community can resolve all the security and performance issues
>> that Flash is synonymous with… but it will require time… and it still will
>> not answer the fundamental question - why bother?  Yes… there are number of
>> Flash applications which some company rely on… but no one can argue that
>> there are enough of these to justify keeping flash around.  Sorry… if your
>> business relies on flash… you will get burn.  Better accept it ASAP and
>> develop plan B.
>>
>> --
>> Me.Com
>> Sent with Airmail
>>
>> On August 21, 2015 at 19:36:05 , core000 (kaushal.shah05@gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>> Alex, let me first say that I commend you and your team on the effort on
>> maturing the FlexJS platform. However, from watching the videos from you
>> and your team on the overview and progress of Flex JS, the tone sounds one
>> of defeat. e.g. "transitioning to Flex JS will not convert all the AS
>> code, but atleast you do not have to do everything from scratch in JS".As
>> the mention of Flash on the Adobe site gets more rare each time I visit, I
>> don't see where Flash plays in Adobe's strategy anymore. Suggestion 1:
>> Why not convince Adobe to make the Flash Player open source and hand it
>> over
>> to Apache? I'm not sure why they would want to hold on to it. I own a tech
>> firm in NYC and all of my platforms that I build for my clients are in
>> Flex,
>> which they are thrilled about. Having to wait for Flex JS to mature and
>> semi-learning a new language does not seem the best way forward. Acquiring
>> Flash Player will ensure that the plugin consistently is patched (like OSX,
>> Windows,IOS, Android) and let us continue to mature our current
>> apps.Suggestion 2: From the time in 2011 when Steve Jobs attacked Flash,
>> it's been down hill for the Flex platform. Recently, you have Facebook
>> asking for the death to Flash. Why would they want something that their
>> platform does not even depend on to be decommissioned? And Kevin Lynch,
>> the father of Flash from Macromedia, now works at Apple. I sense something
>> fishy is going on. Also, my team and I have also researched HTML5/JS.
>> Besides a few good libraries like D3.js, I'm not sure what the hype is
>> about. Most of the features are not available in all browsers, JS
>> libraries pop up and die out, and the look and feel (e.g. jQuery) is
>> outdated. It feels like the 90's all over again. We must put effort in
>> socializing Flash/Flex benefits again. Perhaps having Flex vs. HTML5 sites
>> up to showcase how far ahead of the game Flex is.I'm confident that many in
>> the Flex community are concerned that any day Flash Player will be
>> decommissioned and that will put most of us (many in huge corporations) in
>> a
>> bind. Adobe seems to be a company that can buckle under pressure.What are
>> your (and the community here) thoughts? Thanks,Core000
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://apache-flex-users.2333346.n4.nabble.com/Attention-Alex-Harui-Acquire-Flash-Player-tp11010.html
>> Sent from the Apache Flex Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>

Re: Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Posted by Chen Xiao <ch...@gmail.com>.

Nothing can live forever. Perhaps someday the career of programming will
vanished too.

I'm flex programmer, I still use flex to develop desktop application.
I still feel strongly the  beauty and smooth when using flex to develop.
To resolve client's problem is the most import., you can use any tool you
want, js, flex, c++.
Don't too mind of the popular trend.
If you can use flex to develop a great application,
so you can learn and develop the same great application using Js.

Something beyond specific programming platform don't change.

2015-08-22 16:43 GMT+08:00 Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>:

> Hi,
>
> The Flash Roadmap [1] under "Flash Player and AIR focus for 2015 and
> beyond” contains some information of what direction and what feature Adobe
> will be adding to Flash and AIR in future releases.
>
> It’s unlikely that Adobe would open source the Flash Player, but IMO
> that’s because some of it would be not be able to be open sourced (e.g.
> video codecs) as Adobe would of licensed the code off other people.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
> 1. http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html

Re: Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.

Hi,

The Flash Roadmap [1] under "Flash Player and AIR focus for 2015 and beyond” contains some information of what direction and what feature Adobe will be adding to Flash and AIR in future releases.

It’s unlikely that Adobe would open source the Flash Player, but IMO that’s because some of it would be not be able to be open sourced (e.g. video codecs) as Adobe would of licensed the code off other people.

Thanks,
Justin


1. http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html

Re: Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <an...@redtulp.com>.

+1 Om!

I think the main "question" is: will flash live "forever" to permit our
apps to stay up & running forever too?

I can somehow accept flash stops improve his features but i need flash
still be available for a long time to permit our clients to use their apps.

Angelo

El sáb., 22 ago. 2015 a las 9:44, OmPrakash Muppirala (<bi...@gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Can't we use both?  Why pick one and kill the other one?
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Me.Com <an...@leapingbytes.net> wrote:
>
> > Flash used to be the only game in town. Now, there is nothing that Flash
> > can do which could not be done by JS. Maybe if Adobe open source Flash
> > Player… the community can resolve all the security and performance issues
> > that Flash is synonymous with… but it will require time… and it still
> will
> > not answer the fundamental question - why bother?  Yes… there are number
> of
> > Flash applications which some company rely on… but no one can argue that
> > there are enough of these to justify keeping flash around.  Sorry… if
> your
> > business relies on flash… you will get burn.  Better accept it ASAP and
> > develop plan B.
> >
> > --
> > Me.Com
> > Sent with Airmail
> >
> > On August 21, 2015 at 19:36:05 , core000 (kaushal.shah05@gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >
> > Alex, let me first say that I commend you and your team on the effort on
> > maturing the FlexJS platform. However, from watching the videos from you
> > and your team on the overview and progress of Flex JS, the tone sounds
> one
> > of defeat. e.g. "transitioning to Flex JS will not convert all the AS
> > code, but atleast you do not have to do everything from scratch in JS".As
> > the mention of Flash on the Adobe site gets more rare each time I visit,
> I
> > don't see where Flash plays in Adobe's strategy anymore. Suggestion 1:
> > Why not convince Adobe to make the Flash Player open source and hand it
> > over
> > to Apache? I'm not sure why they would want to hold on to it. I own a
> tech
> > firm in NYC and all of my platforms that I build for my clients are in
> > Flex,
> > which they are thrilled about. Having to wait for Flex JS to mature and
> > semi-learning a new language does not seem the best way forward.
> Acquiring
> > Flash Player will ensure that the plugin consistently is patched (like
> OSX,
> > Windows,IOS, Android) and let us continue to mature our current
> > apps.Suggestion 2: From the time in 2011 when Steve Jobs attacked Flash,
> > it's been down hill for the Flex platform. Recently, you have Facebook
> > asking for the death to Flash. Why would they want something that their
> > platform does not even depend on to be decommissioned? And Kevin Lynch,
> > the father of Flash from Macromedia, now works at Apple. I sense
> something
> > fishy is going on. Also, my team and I have also researched HTML5/JS.
> > Besides a few good libraries like D3.js, I'm not sure what the hype is
> > about. Most of the features are not available in all browsers, JS
> > libraries pop up and die out, and the look and feel (e.g. jQuery) is
> > outdated. It feels like the 90's all over again. We must put effort in
> > socializing Flash/Flex benefits again. Perhaps having Flex vs. HTML5
> sites
> > up to showcase how far ahead of the game Flex is.I'm confident that many
> in
> > the Flex community are concerned that any day Flash Player will be
> > decommissioned and that will put most of us (many in huge corporations)
> in
> > a
> > bind. Adobe seems to be a company that can buckle under pressure.What are
> > your (and the community here) thoughts? Thanks,Core000
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> >
> http://apache-flex-users.2333346.n4.nabble.com/Attention-Alex-Harui-Acquire-Flash-Player-tp11010.html
> > Sent from the Apache Flex Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
>

Re: Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.

Can't we use both?  Why pick one and kill the other one?

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Me.Com <an...@leapingbytes.net> wrote:

> Flash used to be the only game in town. Now, there is nothing that Flash
> can do which could not be done by JS. Maybe if Adobe open source Flash
> Player… the community can resolve all the security and performance issues
> that Flash is synonymous with… but it will require time… and it still will
> not answer the fundamental question - why bother?  Yes… there are number of
> Flash applications which some company rely on… but no one can argue that
> there are enough of these to justify keeping flash around.  Sorry… if your
> business relies on flash… you will get burn.  Better accept it ASAP and
> develop plan B.
>
> --
> Me.Com
> Sent with Airmail
>
> On August 21, 2015 at 19:36:05 , core000 (kaushal.shah05@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Alex, let me first say that I commend you and your team on the effort on
> maturing the FlexJS platform. However, from watching the videos from you
> and your team on the overview and progress of Flex JS, the tone sounds one
> of defeat. e.g. "transitioning to Flex JS will not convert all the AS
> code, but atleast you do not have to do everything from scratch in JS".As
> the mention of Flash on the Adobe site gets more rare each time I visit, I
> don't see where Flash plays in Adobe's strategy anymore. Suggestion 1:
> Why not convince Adobe to make the Flash Player open source and hand it
> over
> to Apache? I'm not sure why they would want to hold on to it. I own a tech
> firm in NYC and all of my platforms that I build for my clients are in
> Flex,
> which they are thrilled about. Having to wait for Flex JS to mature and
> semi-learning a new language does not seem the best way forward. Acquiring
> Flash Player will ensure that the plugin consistently is patched (like OSX,
> Windows,IOS, Android) and let us continue to mature our current
> apps.Suggestion 2: From the time in 2011 when Steve Jobs attacked Flash,
> it's been down hill for the Flex platform. Recently, you have Facebook
> asking for the death to Flash. Why would they want something that their
> platform does not even depend on to be decommissioned? And Kevin Lynch,
> the father of Flash from Macromedia, now works at Apple. I sense something
> fishy is going on. Also, my team and I have also researched HTML5/JS.
> Besides a few good libraries like D3.js, I'm not sure what the hype is
> about. Most of the features are not available in all browsers, JS
> libraries pop up and die out, and the look and feel (e.g. jQuery) is
> outdated. It feels like the 90's all over again. We must put effort in
> socializing Flash/Flex benefits again. Perhaps having Flex vs. HTML5 sites
> up to showcase how far ahead of the game Flex is.I'm confident that many in
> the Flex community are concerned that any day Flash Player will be
> decommissioned and that will put most of us (many in huge corporations) in
> a
> bind. Adobe seems to be a company that can buckle under pressure.What are
> your (and the community here) thoughts? Thanks,Core000
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://apache-flex-users.2333346.n4.nabble.com/Attention-Alex-Harui-Acquire-Flash-Player-tp11010.html
> Sent from the Apache Flex Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Re: Attention: Alex Harui. Acquire Flash Player

Posted by "Me.Com" <an...@leapingbytes.net>.

Flash used to be the only game in town. Now, there is nothing that Flash can do which could not be done by JS. Maybe if Adobe open source Flash Player… the community can resolve all the security and performance issues that Flash is synonymous with… but it will require time… and it still will not answer the fundamental question - why bother? Yes… there are number of Flash applications which some company rely on… but no one can argue that there are enough of these to justify keeping flash around. Sorry… if your business relies on flash… you will get burn. Better accept it ASAP and develop plan B.

--
Me.Com
Sent with Airmail

On August 21, 2015 at 19:36:05 , core000 (kaushal.shah05@gmail.com) wrote: