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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> on 2018/03/18 08:48:12 UTC
Podling announcing releases
Hi All,
In dec 2017 the Apache Trafodion Project graduated from incubation.
As any other podling we released our works several times. And we announced
releases via announce@a.o. In those announcements we mentioned where
(potential) adopters could download the code from, and we advised to either
download from/via our project's download page or from/via
https://dist.apache.org
I want to make (P)PMC Members and podling mentors aware that (since
recently) this is not allowed. Each latest release download must be
from/via:
https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/<podlingName>
and that older releases must be from/via:
https://archive.apache.org/dist/<podlingName>
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
V.P. Apache Trafodion
Fwd: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Byung-Gon Chun <bg...@gmail.com>.
FYI.
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From: Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:48 PM
Subject: Podling announcing releases
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Hi All,
In dec 2017 the Apache Trafodion Project graduated from incubation.
As any other podling we released our works several times. And we announced
releases via announce@a.o. In those announcements we mentioned where
(potential) adopters could download the code from, and we advised to either
download from/via our project's download page or from/via
https://dist.apache.org
I want to make (P)PMC Members and podling mentors aware that (since
recently) this is not allowed. Each latest release download must be
from/via:
https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/<podlingName>
and that older releases must be from/via:
https://archive.apache.org/dist/<podlingName>
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
V.P. Apache Trafodion
--
Byung-Gon Chun
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Trafodion 2.1 was incorrect, [1]. 2.0.1's email looks fine [2] (not the
exact same format, but acceptable). 2.0's is perfect [3].
[1]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/290dada834e9bd11507ae84b76b944a02e5fccff3bf05bfc1e690134@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
[2]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b486d99f20c1009bfce596a51a7ef2dad3c40ec3bc242c7a84936478@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
[3]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e845f00c9cc8e307d911bdaa8adca1aff12158019614a699afc2a807@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:18 AM Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> And yet some still slip through the cracks.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> V.P. Apache Trafodion
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Using download.cgi or closer.lua (ie. using the mirror network) has been
> > Apache policy since its inception. This is not "recently".
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#host-GA
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 3:48 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > In dec 2017 the Apache Trafodion Project graduated from incubation.
> > >
> > > As any other podling we released our works several times. And we
> > announced
> > > releases via announce@a.o. In those announcements we mentioned where
> > > (potential) adopters could download the code from, and we advised to
> > either
> > > download from/via our project's download page or from/via
> > >
> > > https://dist.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> > > I want to make (P)PMC Members and podling mentors aware that (since
> > > recently) this is not allowed. Each latest release download must be
> > > from/via:
> > >
> > > https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/<podlingName>
> > >
> > >
> > > and that older releases must be from/via:
> > >
> > > https://archive.apache.org/dist/<podlingName>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > V.P. Apache Trafodion
> > >
> >
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>.
And yet some still slip through the cracks.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
V.P. Apache Trafodion
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Using download.cgi or closer.lua (ie. using the mirror network) has been
> Apache policy since its inception. This is not "recently".
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#host-GA
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 3:48 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > In dec 2017 the Apache Trafodion Project graduated from incubation.
> >
> > As any other podling we released our works several times. And we
> announced
> > releases via announce@a.o. In those announcements we mentioned where
> > (potential) adopters could download the code from, and we advised to
> either
> > download from/via our project's download page or from/via
> >
> > https://dist.apache.org
> >
> >
> > I want to make (P)PMC Members and podling mentors aware that (since
> > recently) this is not allowed. Each latest release download must be
> > from/via:
> >
> > https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/<podlingName>
> >
> >
> > and that older releases must be from/via:
> >
> > https://archive.apache.org/dist/<podlingName>
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > V.P. Apache Trafodion
> >
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Using download.cgi or closer.lua (ie. using the mirror network) has been
Apache policy since its inception. This is not "recently".
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#host-GA
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 3:48 AM, Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> In dec 2017 the Apache Trafodion Project graduated from incubation.
>
> As any other podling we released our works several times. And we announced
> releases via announce@a.o. In those announcements we mentioned where
> (potential) adopters could download the code from, and we advised to either
> download from/via our project's download page or from/via
>
> https://dist.apache.org
>
>
> I want to make (P)PMC Members and podling mentors aware that (since
> recently) this is not allowed. Each latest release download must be
> from/via:
>
> https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/<podlingName>
>
>
> and that older releases must be from/via:
>
> https://archive.apache.org/dist/<podlingName>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> V.P. Apache Trafodion
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Looks like they've updated the web page just recently. Agreed: it has the
correct links now.
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Mike,
>
> The latest release (2.2.0) has this link for the source:
> http://www.apache.org/dist/trafodion/apache-trafodion-2.
> 2.0/src/apache-trafodion-2.2.0-src.tar.gz
>
> (seen on http://trafodion.apache.org/download.html)
>
> That does not use the mirrors, but instead uses *only* our TLP web server.
> That is an explicit violation of the policy.
>
> Further, the announce@apache moderators informed Trafodion of this, and
> held back the release announcement. My warning is simply an escalation of
> an already-provided request to fix the download page.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 17:11 Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> I'm confused about this warning. It looks like Pierre was explicitly
>> telling people not to do the wrong thing, and spot checking their website
>> the download links point to the mirror page for at least their latest
>> release.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 4:09 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > High Nick, all,
>> > >
>> > > Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs
>> their
>> > web
>> > > presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's
>> incorrect
>> > link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your
>> misuse
>> > of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network,
>> per
>> > release policy.
>> >
>> > Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Greg Stein
>> > Infrastructure Administrator
>> >
>>
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Looks like they've updated the web page just recently. Agreed: it has the
correct links now.
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 5:21 PM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Mike,
>
> The latest release (2.2.0) has this link for the source:
> http://www.apache.org/dist/trafodion/apache-trafodion-2.
> 2.0/src/apache-trafodion-2.2.0-src.tar.gz
>
> (seen on http://trafodion.apache.org/download.html)
>
> That does not use the mirrors, but instead uses *only* our TLP web server.
> That is an explicit violation of the policy.
>
> Further, the announce@apache moderators informed Trafodion of this, and
> held back the release announcement. My warning is simply an escalation of
> an already-provided request to fix the download page.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 17:11 Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> I'm confused about this warning. It looks like Pierre was explicitly
>> telling people not to do the wrong thing, and spot checking their website
>> the download links point to the mirror page for at least their latest
>> release.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 4:09 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > High Nick, all,
>> > >
>> > > Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs
>> their
>> > web
>> > > presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's
>> incorrect
>> > link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your
>> misuse
>> > of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network,
>> per
>> > release policy.
>> >
>> > Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Greg Stein
>> > Infrastructure Administrator
>> >
>>
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Hey Mike,
The latest release (2.2.0) has this link for the source:
http://www.apache.org/dist/trafodion/apache-trafodion-2.2.0/src/apache-trafodion-2.2.0-src.tar.gz
(seen on http://trafodion.apache.org/download.html)
That does not use the mirrors, but instead uses *only* our TLP web server.
That is an explicit violation of the policy.
Further, the announce@apache moderators informed Trafodion of this, and
held back the release announcement. My warning is simply an escalation of
an already-provided request to fix the download page.
Cheers,
-g
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 17:11 Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I'm confused about this warning. It looks like Pierre was explicitly
> telling people not to do the wrong thing, and spot checking their website
> the download links point to the mirror page for at least their latest
> release.
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 4:09 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > High Nick, all,
> > >
> > > Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs their
> > web
> > > presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
> > >
> >
> > Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's incorrect
> > link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your
> misuse
> > of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network,
> per
> > release policy.
> >
> > Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
> >
> > Regards,
> > Greg Stein
> > Infrastructure Administrator
> >
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Hey Mike,
The latest release (2.2.0) has this link for the source:
http://www.apache.org/dist/trafodion/apache-trafodion-2.2.0/src/apache-trafodion-2.2.0-src.tar.gz
(seen on http://trafodion.apache.org/download.html)
That does not use the mirrors, but instead uses *only* our TLP web server.
That is an explicit violation of the policy.
Further, the announce@apache moderators informed Trafodion of this, and
held back the release announcement. My warning is simply an escalation of
an already-provided request to fix the download page.
Cheers,
-g
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 17:11 Mike Drob <md...@apache.org> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I'm confused about this warning. It looks like Pierre was explicitly
> telling people not to do the wrong thing, and spot checking their website
> the download links point to the mirror page for at least their latest
> release.
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 4:09 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > High Nick, all,
> > >
> > > Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs their
> > web
> > > presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
> > >
> >
> > Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's incorrect
> > link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your
> misuse
> > of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network,
> per
> > release policy.
> >
> > Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
> >
> > Regards,
> > Greg Stein
> > Infrastructure Administrator
> >
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Mike Drob <md...@apache.org>.
Greg,
I'm confused about this warning. It looks like Pierre was explicitly
telling people not to do the wrong thing, and spot checking their website
the download links point to the mirror page for at least their latest
release.
Mike
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 4:09 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > High Nick, all,
> >
> > Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs their
> web
> > presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
> >
>
> Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's incorrect
> link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your misuse
> of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network, per
> release policy.
>
> Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
>
> Regards,
> Greg Stein
> Infrastructure Administrator
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Mike Drob <md...@apache.org>.
Greg,
I'm confused about this warning. It looks like Pierre was explicitly
telling people not to do the wrong thing, and spot checking their website
the download links point to the mirror page for at least their latest
release.
Mike
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 4:09 PM Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > High Nick, all,
> >
> > Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs their
> web
> > presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
> >
>
> Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's incorrect
> link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your misuse
> of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network, per
> release policy.
>
> Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
>
> Regards,
> Greg Stein
> Infrastructure Administrator
>
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> High Nick, all,
>
> Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs their web
> presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
>
Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's incorrect
link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your misuse
of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network, per
release policy.
Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
Regards,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 08:18 Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> High Nick, all,
>
> Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs their web
> presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
>
Well, Infra *can* coerce you to fix Trafodion's download Page's incorrect
link. I don't think we would edit your page, but we *can* stop your misuse
of www.a.o/dist, and recommend you switch to using the mirror network, per
release policy.
Consider Trafodion officially warned. cc:dev@trafodion
Regards,
Greg Stein
Infrastructure Administrator
Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org>.
High Nick, all,
Who am I to tell how a community - incubating or not - constructs their web
presence in general and their download links/page in particular.
Some may even say that having a link to the Apache archive(s) is undesired,
unwanted or even Verboten. As it (https://archive.apache.org/dist/
<podlingName>) is similar - in perception at least - to having a link
pointing to https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/<projectName>/
But my tip: keep it simple to prevent information overload, and have the
latest release download link just point to
https://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.lua/<projectName>.
For doing releases, you may consider taking hints and tips from [1] (which
was established - and refined - during the incubation of Apache Trafodion.
Best regards,
Pierre Smits
V.P. Apache Trafodion
On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:48:12 +0100
> Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I want to make (P)PMC Members and podling mentors aware that (since
> > recently) this is not allowed. Each latest release download must be
> > from/via:
>
> It is indeed a subject with potential for confusion.
> If you've just been doing battle with the docs, maybe
> you might have ideas on how to improve them?
>
> (my recollection is of figuring out details like that
> largely by looking at a previous release - obviously
> not so useful for a new project!)
>
> --
> Nick Kew
>
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Re: Podling announcing releases
Posted by Nick Kew <ni...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 09:48:12 +0100
Pierre Smits <pi...@apache.org> wrote:
> I want to make (P)PMC Members and podling mentors aware that (since
> recently) this is not allowed. Each latest release download must be
> from/via:
It is indeed a subject with potential for confusion.
If you've just been doing battle with the docs, maybe
you might have ideas on how to improve them?
(my recollection is of figuring out details like that
largely by looking at a previous release - obviously
not so useful for a new project!)
--
Nick Kew
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