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Posted to dev@karaf.apache.org by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> on 2014/01/20 16:33:25 UTC
Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Hi
So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
The last release available is 3.2.4.
I asked on twitter and got this reply
https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
doing Spring OSGi release
http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
So down the road we have 2 problems
1)
Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
2)
The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
So any thoughts what we can do?
--
Claus Ibsen
-----------------
Red Hat, Inc.
Email: cibsen@redhat.com
Twitter: davsclaus
Blog: http://davsclaus.com
Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
Make your Camel applications look hawt, try: http://hawt.io
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Sure, I can tackle both 3.2.x and 4.0.x release.
For Spring 4.0.0 and Spring-DM, I have to check.
Regards
JB
On 01/20/2014 04:44 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>> Hi Claus,
>>
>> I propose to release Spring 4.0.0 bundles as ServiceMix Bundles.
>>
>> We already provide Spring LDAP and Spring Security in ServiceMix Bundles
>> set.
>>
>> If we all agree, I will prepare Spring 4.0.0 bundles (aspect, core, context,
>> beans, etc) to release in ServiceMix Bundles 2014.01 release.
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
>
> Yeah if we can do this ourselves just as the SMX team does with the
> bundle releases, then that would be good.
>
> Though it would be great with Spring 3.2.x (3.2.5 or 3.2.6 or the
> upcoming 3.2.7) release too. As there is some security issues among
> others that would be great that Karaf end users could get also. So
> 3.2.5 fixes some security issues in 3.2.4. And 3.2.7 fixes one or more
> in 3.2.5 or 3.2.6 etc.
>
> And for Spring 4.0 is there an issue with the old spring-dm 1.2.1 not
> supporting that? I think I heard/read somewhere about that?
>
>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On 01/20/2014 04:33 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
>>> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
>>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>>>
>>> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>>>
>>> I asked on twitter and got this reply
>>> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>>>
>>> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
>>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>>>
>>> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>>>
>>> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
>>> doing Spring OSGi release
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>>>
>>>
>>> So down the road we have 2 problems
>>>
>>> 1)
>>> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>>>
>>> 2)
>>> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So any thoughts what we can do?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> Hi Claus,
>
> I propose to release Spring 4.0.0 bundles as ServiceMix Bundles.
>
> We already provide Spring LDAP and Spring Security in ServiceMix Bundles
> set.
>
> If we all agree, I will prepare Spring 4.0.0 bundles (aspect, core, context,
> beans, etc) to release in ServiceMix Bundles 2014.01 release.
>
> WDYT ?
>
Yeah if we can do this ourselves just as the SMX team does with the
bundle releases, then that would be good.
Though it would be great with Spring 3.2.x (3.2.5 or 3.2.6 or the
upcoming 3.2.7) release too. As there is some security issues among
others that would be great that Karaf end users could get also. So
3.2.5 fixes some security issues in 3.2.4. And 3.2.7 fixes one or more
in 3.2.5 or 3.2.6 etc.
And for Spring 4.0 is there an issue with the old spring-dm 1.2.1 not
supporting that? I think I heard/read somewhere about that?
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 01/20/2014 04:33 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
>> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>>
>> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>>
>> I asked on twitter and got this reply
>> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>>
>> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>>
>> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>>
>> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
>> doing Spring OSGi release
>> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>>
>>
>> So down the road we have 2 problems
>>
>> 1)
>> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>>
>> 2)
>> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>>
>>
>>
>> So any thoughts what we can do?
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
--
Claus Ibsen
-----------------
Red Hat, Inc.
Email: cibsen@redhat.com
Twitter: davsclaus
Blog: http://davsclaus.com
Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
Make your Camel applications look hawt, try: http://hawt.io
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Claus,
I propose to release Spring 4.0.0 bundles as ServiceMix Bundles.
We already provide Spring LDAP and Spring Security in ServiceMix Bundles
set.
If we all agree, I will prepare Spring 4.0.0 bundles (aspect, core,
context, beans, etc) to release in ServiceMix Bundles 2014.01 release.
WDYT ?
Regards
JB
On 01/20/2014 04:33 PM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> Hi
>
> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>
> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>
> I asked on twitter and got this reply
> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>
> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>
> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>
> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
> doing Spring OSGi release
> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>
>
> So down the road we have 2 problems
>
> 1)
> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>
> 2)
> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>
>
>
> So any thoughts what we can do?
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>.
And some more information about the Spring OSGi bundles being dropped,
and some explanation of how they did the bundles in the past, etc.
http://www.eclipse.org/forums/index.php/t/513222/
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>
> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>
> I asked on twitter and got this reply
> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>
> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>
> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>
> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
> doing Spring OSGi release
> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>
>
> So down the road we have 2 problems
>
> 1)
> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>
> 2)
> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>
>
>
> So any thoughts what we can do?
>
>
> --
> Claus Ibsen
> -----------------
> Red Hat, Inc.
> Email: cibsen@redhat.com
> Twitter: davsclaus
> Blog: http://davsclaus.com
> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
> Make your Camel applications look hawt, try: http://hawt.io
--
Claus Ibsen
-----------------
Red Hat, Inc.
Email: cibsen@redhat.com
Twitter: davsclaus
Blog: http://davsclaus.com
Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen
Make your Camel applications look hawt, try: http://hawt.io
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Good point Christian.
As Spring won't really support "publicly (via EBR)" OSGi bundles, we may
have issue in Spring running on OSGi.
When using our own bundles, we can add a note to warn the users.
Regards
JB
On 01/20/2014 06:24 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> Somehow I wonder how well future spring versions will behave in OSGi.
> I think we should start to at least warn our users that continued use of
> spring in OSGi is an increasing risk.
>
> Christian
>
> Am 20.01.2014 16:33, schrieb Claus Ibsen:
>> Hi
>>
>> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
>> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>>
>> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>>
>> I asked on twitter and got this reply
>> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>>
>> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>>
>> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>>
>> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
>> doing Spring OSGi release
>> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>>
>>
>> So down the road we have 2 problems
>>
>> 1)
>> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>>
>> 2)
>> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>>
>>
>>
>> So any thoughts what we can do?
>>
>>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Krzysztof Sobkowiak <kr...@gmail.com>.
I don't want to compete with Spring too, Spring has a lot of power and
features. It's better to give the user more flexibility and ability to
choose their favorite way to develop bundles.
On 20.01.2014 20:56, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> Yeah, agree.
>
> However, I don't think it makes sense to "compete" Spring. Spring DM
> is likely Gemini now, and we support Gemini (more or less ;)).
>
> But some extensions in Aries could be interesting indeed (if some
> users are interested/expect it, I'm not a big fan to do stuff just to
> do it or because it could be cool, I prefer to answer to the users
> needs ;)).
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 01/20/2014 08:42 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
>> There is yet another question - how long the old Spring DM will work
>> with the future Spring versions... This is next theme we should think
>> about when people will still want to integrate Spring with OSGi in the
>> future. Or we should perhaps provide more extensions for Blueprint
>> (like Blueprint AOP, Blueprint Security...) to be able to compete with
>> Spring
>>
>> Regards
>> Krzysztof
>>
--
Krzysztof Sobkowiak
JEE & OSS Architect | Technical Architect @ Capgemini
Capgemini <http://www.pl.capgemini.com/> | Software Solutions Center
<http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/> | Wroclaw
e-mail: krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> |
Twitter: @KSobkowiak
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Yeah, agree.
However, I don't think it makes sense to "compete" Spring. Spring DM is
likely Gemini now, and we support Gemini (more or less ;)).
But some extensions in Aries could be interesting indeed (if some users
are interested/expect it, I'm not a big fan to do stuff just to do it or
because it could be cool, I prefer to answer to the users needs ;)).
Regards
JB
On 01/20/2014 08:42 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
> There is yet another question - how long the old Spring DM will work
> with the future Spring versions... This is next theme we should think
> about when people will still want to integrate Spring with OSGi in the
> future. Or we should perhaps provide more extensions for Blueprint
> (like Blueprint AOP, Blueprint Security...) to be able to compete with
> Spring
>
> Regards
> Krzysztof
>
> On 20.01.2014 18:24, Christian Schneider wrote:
>> Somehow I wonder how well future spring versions will behave in OSGi.
>> I think we should start to at least warn our users that continued use
>> of spring in OSGi is an increasing risk.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> Am 20.01.2014 16:33, schrieb Claus Ibsen:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
>>> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
>>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>>>
>>> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>>>
>>> I asked on twitter and got this reply
>>> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>>>
>>> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
>>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>>>
>>> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>>>
>>> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
>>> doing Spring OSGi release
>>> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>>>
>>>
>>> So down the road we have 2 problems
>>>
>>> 1)
>>> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>>>
>>> 2)
>>> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So any thoughts what we can do?
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Krzysztof Sobkowiak <kr...@gmail.com>.
There is yet another question - how long the old Spring DM will work
with the future Spring versions... This is next theme we should think
about when people will still want to integrate Spring with OSGi in the
future. Or we should perhaps provide more extensions for Blueprint
(like Blueprint AOP, Blueprint Security...) to be able to compete with
Spring
Regards
Krzysztof
On 20.01.2014 18:24, Christian Schneider wrote:
> Somehow I wonder how well future spring versions will behave in OSGi.
> I think we should start to at least warn our users that continued use
> of spring in OSGi is an increasing risk.
>
> Christian
>
> Am 20.01.2014 16:33, schrieb Claus Ibsen:
>> Hi
>>
>> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
>> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>>
>> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>>
>> I asked on twitter and got this reply
>> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>>
>> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>>
>> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>>
>> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
>> doing Spring OSGi release
>> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>>
>>
>> So down the road we have 2 problems
>>
>> 1)
>> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>>
>> 2)
>> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>>
>>
>>
>> So any thoughts what we can do?
--
Krzysztof Sobkowiak
JEE & OSS Architect | Technical Architect @ Capgemini
Capgemini <http://www.pl.capgemini.com/> | Software Solutions Center
<http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/> | Wroclaw
e-mail: krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> |
Twitter: @KSobkowiak
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>.
Somehow I wonder how well future spring versions will behave in OSGi.
I think we should start to at least warn our users that continued use of
spring in OSGi is an increasing risk.
Christian
Am 20.01.2014 16:33, schrieb Claus Ibsen:
> Hi
>
> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>
> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>
> I asked on twitter and got this reply
> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>
> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>
> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>
> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
> doing Spring OSGi release
> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>
>
> So down the road we have 2 problems
>
> 1)
> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>
> 2)
> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>
>
>
> So any thoughts what we can do?
>
>
--
Christian Schneider
http://www.liquid-reality.de
Open Source Architect
Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Krzysztof,
thanks for the link.
It comforts me that we should manage the bundles ourself (as we do for a
bunch of bundles in ServiceMix) ;)
At ServiceMix, we already have templates (not specific to Spring but
very complete for most of the use cases), and I do a release every month
(so we can very quickly update and publish new Spring versions).
Regards
JB
On 01/20/2014 05:44 PM, Krzysztof Sobkowiak wrote:
> Hi
>
> Please look following links too. They can be helpful
>
> *
> https://github.com/glyn/bundlerepo/tree/422866-Spring-Framework-Templates/contrib
>
> * https://jira.springsource.org/browse/SPR-8903
> *
> http://git.eclipse.org/c/ebr/org.eclipse.ebr.recipes.git/tree/contrib/SpringSource-EBR-templates
>
>
> Regards
> Krzysztof
>
>
> On 20.01.2014 16:33, Claus Ibsen wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
>> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>>
>> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>>
>> I asked on twitter and got this reply
>> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>>
>> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
>> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>>
>> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>>
>> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
>> doing Spring OSGi release
>> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>>
>>
>> So down the road we have 2 problems
>>
>> 1)
>> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>>
>> 2)
>> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>>
>>
>>
>> So any thoughts what we can do?
>>
>>
>
>
--
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbonofre@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com
Re: Spring OSGi bundles no longer being released
Posted by Krzysztof Sobkowiak <kr...@gmail.com>.
Hi
Please look following links too. They can be helpful
* https://github.com/glyn/bundlerepo/tree/422866-Spring-Framework-Templates/contrib
* https://jira.springsource.org/browse/SPR-8903
* http://git.eclipse.org/c/ebr/org.eclipse.ebr.recipes.git/tree/contrib/SpringSource-EBR-templates
Regards
Krzysztof
On 20.01.2014 16:33, Claus Ibsen wrote:
> Hi
>
> So I have been waiting for Spring to release Spring 3.2.5 or newer as
> OSGi bundle on their EBR repo at
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/
>
> The last release available is 3.2.4.
>
> I asked on twitter and got this reply
> https://twitter.com/glynnormington/status/425280920888016896
>
> Also if you see the FAQ here, it says the repo is frozen
> http://ebr.springsource.com/repository/app/faq
>
> And that it may not be online anymore after September 2014.
>
> Glyn, refers to Eclipse EBR but it looks like they have not taken over
> doing Spring OSGi release
> http://www.eclipse.org/ebr/
>
>
> So down the road we have 2 problems
>
> 1)
> Spring 3.2.4 is the last OSGi bundle release
>
> 2)
> The Spring EBR repo will be taken offline in the future
>
>
>
> So any thoughts what we can do?
>
>
--
Krzysztof Sobkowiak
JEE & OSS Architect | Technical Architect @ Capgemini
Capgemini <http://www.pl.capgemini.com/> | Software Solutions Center
<http://www.pl.capgemini-sdm.com/> | Wroclaw
e-mail: krzys.sobkowiak@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> |
Twitter: @KSobkowiak