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[vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
contributed code.
This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
-Brian
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
+1 From me :-)
-Brian
On Feb 13, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
>
> Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
> contributed code.
>
> This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
>
> -Brian
>
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[result] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@pobox.com>.
Vote Passes:
+1: [ brianm, rooneg, yoavs, jim, clr ]
-1: []
-Brian
On Feb 13, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
>
> Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
> contributed code.
>
> This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
>
> -Brian
>
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>
>> None. Why have the Incubator involved at
>> all if we basically say "Yeah, yeah, if you say so,
>> it's fine with us."
>
> Historic reasons and efficiency? You could establish an "IP
> clearance committee" but that'd be overhead and doesn't sound like
> much fun to me. Since the incubator sorted out a bunch of stuff
> like this, it makes it a natural home for this kind of involvement.
>
That's kinda my point. Well, one of 'em ;)
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
>
> IMO, the IP clearance is the responsibility of the PMC where the
> code ends up. That PMC has to follow a process documented on the
> incubator.apache.org website, discuss changes to that process on
> general@incubator.apache.org, and commit to a repository that has a
> different set of eyeballs watching it, in the end resulting in a
> centralized record of big code imports into the ASF repository.
>
Agreed. They need to do the work. We (the Incubator) need to approve it.
I guess my beef is that if our approval is basically "Yeah,
whatever, we trust you did it right" then that hardly seems
adequate to me :)
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>.
On Feb 15, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> On Feb 15, 2007, at 1:43 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>> for IP clearance, i don't see how the IPMC is able to do anything
>> other than just check the documentation: a pure paper exercise. we
>> have no choice to trust that the PMC has read, understood and
>> followed
>> the instructions.
>>
>> whilst this remains the case, i'm not sure what would be gained by
>> actively voting.
>>
>> if this isn't good enough then a different process is needed
>
> Not to beat a dead horse but if this is the case, then
> what "benefit" does the Incubator provide to the ASF
> in this case?
Well, for example, it sets and maintains the policy and provides an
ASF-central place to rant about exactly stuff like this.
> None. Why have the Incubator involved at
> all if we basically say "Yeah, yeah, if you say so,
> it's fine with us."
Historic reasons and efficiency? You could establish an "IP clearance
committee" but that'd be overhead and doesn't sound like much fun to
me. Since the incubator sorted out a bunch of stuff like this, it
makes it a natural home for this kind of involvement.
> Either the Incubator has this responsibility, or
> it doesn't... IMO, due diligence, at least to me,
> implies a bit more than "well, nobody complained" :)
IMO, the IP clearance is the responsibility of the PMC where the code
ends up. That PMC has to follow a process documented on the
incubator.apache.org website, discuss changes to that process on
general@incubator.apache.org, and commit to a repository that has a
different set of eyeballs watching it, in the end resulting in a
centralized record of big code imports into the ASF repository.
Having a lazy consensus vote is a nice "hey, yo, speak now before I
make a fool out of myself" kind of checkpoint.
The due diligence is done by the PMC importing the code, due
diligence on part of the incubator is merely to help (and, nudge :-))
that PMC be as duely diligent as possible.
> PS: Yes, my POV is opposite from the written guidelines.
You said we need an active vote and I agree.
In this case there was one, here, by HTTPD:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-httpd-
dev&m=116525513728295&w=2
(documented on the IP clearance document) and presumably they'll have
another such vote before doing an actual release.
I don't think its completely opposite, Jim :-)
- Leo
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Feb 15, 2007, at 1:43 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> for IP clearance, i don't see how the IPMC is able to do anything
> other than just check the documentation: a pure paper exercise. we
> have no choice to trust that the PMC has read, understood and followed
> the instructions.
>
> whilst this remains the case, i'm not sure what would be gained by
> actively voting.
>
> if this isn't good enough then a different process is needed
>
Not to beat a dead horse but if this is the case, then
what "benefit" does the Incubator provide to the ASF
in this case? None. Why have the Incubator involved at
all if we basically say "Yeah, yeah, if you say so,
it's fine with us."
Either the Incubator has this responsibility, or
it doesn't... IMO, due diligence, at least to me,
implies a bit more than "well, nobody complained" :)
In any case, I vote +1 for mod_wombat clearance.
PS: Yes, my POV is opposite from the written guidelines.
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 2/15/07, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 15, 2007, at 1:02 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> >
> > if you don't like the process, propose a patch :-)
> >
>
> The sad fact is that there is a clear disconnect between
> some of the docs and "normal" practice. This was clear
> back with the whole CeltixFire fiasco ;)
the only way to move forward is to fix the documentation. over time,
procedures tends to adhere to the documentation.
> My point has always been that by making it easier to
> "bypass" the Incubator, it leads us back closer to
> the situation that the Incubator was 1st created to
> fix...
>
> Lazy consensus is a great way to continue progress
> without being "hampered" by others being busy or
> unavailable. It's good for code patches, etc...
> It should not be good for things which are core
> to our legal issues (like software releases or
> IP clearance).
for software releases, it's possible (though time consuming) to
independently verify that release is reasonable (by check the licenses
are in place and that policy is being followed).
for IP clearance, i don't see how the IPMC is able to do anything
other than just check the documentation: a pure paper exercise. we
have no choice to trust that the PMC has read, understood and followed
the instructions.
whilst this remains the case, i'm not sure what would be gained by
actively voting.
if this isn't good enough then a different process is needed
- robert
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Feb 15, 2007, at 1:02 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> if you don't like the process, propose a patch :-)
>
The sad fact is that there is a clear disconnect between
some of the docs and "normal" practice. This was clear
back with the whole CeltixFire fiasco ;)
My point has always been that by making it easier to
"bypass" the Incubator, it leads us back closer to
the situation that the Incubator was 1st created to
fix...
Lazy consensus is a great way to continue progress
without being "hampered" by others being busy or
unavailable. It's good for code patches, etc...
It should not be good for things which are core
to our legal issues (like software releases or
IP clearance).
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 2/15/07, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 14, 2007, at 1:02 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> > On 2/14/07, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> >>
> >> > The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> >> > incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> >> > recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
> >> >
> >> > Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
> >> > contributed code.
> >> >
> >>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> > This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
> >>
> >> Huh?
> >
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/
> > ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.xml
> >
> > (search for 'lazy consensus')
> >
>
> search for 'not recommended' :)
if you don't like the process, propose a patch :-)
- robert
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Feb 14, 2007, at 1:02 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On 2/14/07, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>>
>> > The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
>> > incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
>> > recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
>> >
>> > Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
>> > contributed code.
>> >
>>
>> +1
>>
>> > This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
>>
>> Huh?
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/
> ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.xml
>
> (search for 'lazy consensus')
>
search for 'not recommended' :)
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Feb 14, 2007, at 1:02 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>> These types of things should require activing
>> voting, not lazy-consensus. Otherwise the Incubator
>> is worthless.
>
> not worthless: the incubator acts as a single place where the origins
> of external code can be tracked whilst oversight is exercised by the
> appropriate PMC
>
IMO, the Incubator is the entry point, the choke, the filter.
Allowing appropriate PMCs to "diminish" this is what got us
in trouble in the 1st place and was a major reason FOR
the Incubator.
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On 2/14/07, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
> On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>
> > The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> > incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> > recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
> >
> > Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
> > contributed code.
> >
>
> +1
>
> > This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
>
> Huh?
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.xml
(search for 'lazy consensus')
> These types of things should require activing
> voting, not lazy-consensus. Otherwise the Incubator
> is worthless.
not worthless: the incubator acts as a single place where the origins
of external code can be tracked whilst oversight is exercised by the
appropriate PMC
an active vote may need a little bit of thinking about since it's not
really clear how much checking the IPMC can really be expected to do.
it's not unreasonable to ask that at least three people to read
through the clearance document and ensure that every section has been
filled in but much more than that would probably be unrealistic.
- robert
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
On Feb 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>> search for "if applicable"
>
> Using the search available here ( http://www.uspto.gov/main/
> trademarks.htm ) I found nothing which looks infringing. There are
> a number of wombat trademarks around, but the only one related to
> software is marked DEAD. The closest live one is for some folks who
> make keyboards.
For completeness, here are all the live marks associated with wombat
and registered with the USPTO:
Word Mark WOMBAT PACK
Goods and Services IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: jackets, parkas, hats,
caps, gloves, sweaters, sweatshirts, t-shirts, pants, shorts, ski
overalls, coats, shirts, swim wear, scarves, boots, shoes, sandals,
Word Mark WOMBAT
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S:
sunglasses, cases for glasses, frames for glasses, parts and fittings
for glasses
IC 014. US 002 027 028 050. G & S: watches, watch straps and parts
and fittings therefor; and jewelry
IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: Clothing, namely, shirts, pants, jackets;
footwear and headgear, namely, tennis shoes and hats
Word Mark SILKY WOMBAT
Goods and Services IC 033. US 047 049. G & S: Wines
Word Mark WOMBAT PACK
Goods and Services IC 018. US 001 002 003 022 041. G & S: Backpacks
and luggage
Word Mark WARMBAT AUSTRALIA
Goods and Services IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: Clothing and footwear,
namely boots, shoes, sandals, slippers, t-shirts, sweatshirts, hats,
stocking caps, jeans, and jackets. FIRST USE: 20040120. FIRST USE IN
COMMERCE: 20040120
Word Mark WOMBAT
Goods and Services IC 010. US 026 039 044. G & S: Adjustable
activity support chairs and seats for medical use for use by patients
and the disabled and parts and accessories for the aforementioned goods
Word Mark WOMBAT HILL
Goods and Services IC 033. US 047 049. G & S: WINES AND FORTIFIED
WINES. FIRST USE: 20020816. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030707
Word Mark WOMBAT
Goods and Services IC 008. US 023 028 044. G & S: Rakes. FIRST USE:
20031009. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20031009
Word Mark WELLNESS WOMBATS
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G &
S: Educational books in the field of children's literature. FIRST
USE: 20060112. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20060112
Word Mark WOMBAT
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: sports fishing
equipment, namely, fishing rods and poles; fishing reels; items of
terminal tackle, namely, leaders, artificial lures, artificial baits,
artificial flies, fishing hooks, bobbers, sinkers, snaps, and
swivels; fishing supplies and accessories, namely, fish stringers,
creels, tackle boxes, bags, baskets, and other containers designed to
hold fish, portable bait containers, landing nets, gaff hooks,
fishing hook disgorgers, dressing for fishing lines and artificial
flies; fishing rod belts; fishing rodholders; fishing harnesses; fish
fighting chairs; fishing outriggers, fishing downriggers. FIRST USE:
19860401. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19860401
Word Mark WOMBAT WARE
Goods and Services IC 021. US 002 013 023 029 030 033 040 050. G &
S: plastic drinking glasses and plastic serving pitchers. FIRST USE:
19990630. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19990630
Word Mark WOMBAT WIZARD
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: wireless
keyboards for computers. FIRST USE: 19970800. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE:
19970800
Word Mark WOMBAT XING
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: video production
services, namely, music videos, video yearbooks, instructional
videos, home movie editing, feature films, and film shorts. FIRST
USE: 19940700. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19940700
Word Mark WOMBAT
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: computer
keyboards. FIRST USE: 19940505. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19940505
Word Mark VIVA LA WOMBAT!
Translations THE SPANISH WORD "VIVA" IS TRANSLATED IN ENGLISH AS
"LONG LIVE".
Goods and Services IC 025. US 039. G & S: MEN'S, LADIES' AND
CHILDREN'S CLOTHING, NAMELY, JUMPERS, SWEATERS, SHIRTS, SKIRTS,
TROUSERS, DRESSES, SWIMWEAR AND HATS. FIRST USE: 19830628. FIRST USE
IN COMMERCE: 19861006
-Brian
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Brian,
> While you pointed out that your vote is non-binding, I respect your
> opinion and want to resolve everything to satisfaction :-)
+1 for the IP clearance for wombat.
I do think that the IP clearance form could be clearer about how it
is intended to be used, but that's not your issue today!
Craig
On Feb 16, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>
>>>> -1 (NOT binding)
>>>>
>>>> The document still contains remnants of its TEMPLATE origin
>>>>
>>>> search for "TEMPLATE"
>>>
>>> Deleted this section, thank you
>>
>> Does the page title still show up in the browser as "XYZ Codebase
>> Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance Status"? You didn't edit this
>> line in the patch below.
>
> The title of the document has been changed.
>
>>>> search for "if applicable"
>>>
>>> Using the search available here ( http://www.uspto.gov/main/
>>> trademarks.htm ) I found nothing which looks infringing. There
>>> are a number of wombat trademarks around, but the only one
>>> related to software is marked DEAD. The closest live one is for
>>> some folks who make keyboards.
>>>
>>>> search for "Check and make sure"
>>>
>>> All of these have been checked, made sure, and appropriately dated.
>>>
>>>> search for "Identify name recorded for software grant: the name
>>>> of the grant as record[sic]"
>>>
>>> Good catch, thank you.
>>
>> ok.
>>>
>>>> search for "For individuals, use the name as recorded on the
>>>> committers page"
>>>
>>> Prior to import it has only been available under the Apache
>>> License, Version 2.0. As such, everyone not in violation of that
>>> license has distribution rights.
>>
>> ok.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the incubator is to perform due diligence, there's not much
>>>> on which to perform "diligence" here.
>>>
>>> Huh? There are four code grants, one from each person who has
>>> contributed code. There are four CLA's, one from each person who
>>> has contributed code. There is verification of the information I
>>> asserted in the template. There is also the two spots in the
>>> template I missed filling in which you caught -- who has
>>> distribution rights and the name of the project used in grants.txt.
>>
>> This is a question for the incubator "due diligencers". Is the
>> intent of the document to have the sections replaced as in [1] or
>> simply dated as in [2]?
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/geronimo-iiop.html
>> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/harmony-14-
>> contribution-classlib-ibm.html
>>
>> I believe that if the incubator folks are supposed to perform due
>> diligence given only this form, then the form needs to have the
>> information. On the other hand, if the form is simply a checklist
>> and the incubator folks just make sure that the lists are checked,
>> then just dates are fine.
>>
>> I think this is the subject of another email thread so I won't
>> recap here.
>
> I agree that it is worthy of discussion. If you do feel strongly I
> will replace the values.
>
>>>
>>>> I might be missing the point of the template, but I guess the
>>>> sections above are supposed to be replaced with actual names,
>>>> actions taken, file locations, references to email threads, etc.
>>>
>>> I have checked in the updates to cover these points, but I have
>>> not redeployed the inubator site, For your convenience I have
>>> included the diff of the changes below.
>>
>> Modulo remarks above, fine by me.
>
> Great, you are satisfied with the IP clearance?
>
> While you pointed out that your vote is non-binding, I respect your
> opinion and want to resolve everything to satisfaction :-)
>
> -Brian
>
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> On Feb 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
>
>> On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>>> -1 (NOT binding)
>>>
>>> The document still contains remnants of its TEMPLATE origin
>>>
>>> search for "TEMPLATE"
>>
>> Deleted this section, thank you
>
> Does the page title still show up in the browser as "XYZ Codebase
> Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance Status"? You didn't edit this
> line in the patch below.
The title of the document has been changed.
>>> search for "if applicable"
>>
>> Using the search available here ( http://www.uspto.gov/main/
>> trademarks.htm ) I found nothing which looks infringing. There are
>> a number of wombat trademarks around, but the only one related to
>> software is marked DEAD. The closest live one is for some folks
>> who make keyboards.
>>
>>> search for "Check and make sure"
>>
>> All of these have been checked, made sure, and appropriately dated.
>>
>>> search for "Identify name recorded for software grant: the name
>>> of the grant as record[sic]"
>>
>> Good catch, thank you.
>
> ok.
>>
>>> search for "For individuals, use the name as recorded on the
>>> committers page"
>>
>> Prior to import it has only been available under the Apache
>> License, Version 2.0. As such, everyone not in violation of that
>> license has distribution rights.
>
> ok.
>>
>>>
>>> If the incubator is to perform due diligence, there's not much on
>>> which to perform "diligence" here.
>>
>> Huh? There are four code grants, one from each person who has
>> contributed code. There are four CLA's, one from each person who
>> has contributed code. There is verification of the information I
>> asserted in the template. There is also the two spots in the
>> template I missed filling in which you caught -- who has
>> distribution rights and the name of the project used in grants.txt.
>
> This is a question for the incubator "due diligencers". Is the
> intent of the document to have the sections replaced as in [1] or
> simply dated as in [2]?
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/geronimo-iiop.html
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/harmony-14-
> contribution-classlib-ibm.html
>
> I believe that if the incubator folks are supposed to perform due
> diligence given only this form, then the form needs to have the
> information. On the other hand, if the form is simply a checklist
> and the incubator folks just make sure that the lists are checked,
> then just dates are fine.
>
> I think this is the subject of another email thread so I won't
> recap here.
I agree that it is worthy of discussion. If you do feel strongly I
will replace the values.
>>
>>> I might be missing the point of the template, but I guess the
>>> sections above are supposed to be replaced with actual names,
>>> actions taken, file locations, references to email threads, etc.
>>
>> I have checked in the updates to cover these points, but I have
>> not redeployed the inubator site, For your convenience I have
>> included the diff of the changes below.
>
> Modulo remarks above, fine by me.
Great, you are satisfied with the IP clearance?
While you pointed out that your vote is non-binding, I respect your
opinion and want to resolve everything to satisfaction :-)
-Brian
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@pobox.com>.
On Feb 16, 2007, at 2:42 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
> Does the page title still show up in the browser as "XYZ Codebase
> Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance Status"? You didn't edit this
> line in the patch below.
Updated that line as well now :-)
-Brian
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Brian,
On Feb 15, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
>> -1 (NOT binding)
>>
>> The document still contains remnants of its TEMPLATE origin
>>
>> search for "TEMPLATE"
>
> Deleted this section, thank you
Does the page title still show up in the browser as "XYZ Codebase
Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance Status"? You didn't edit this
line in the patch below.
>
>> search for "if applicable"
>
> Using the search available here ( http://www.uspto.gov/main/
> trademarks.htm ) I found nothing which looks infringing. There are
> a number of wombat trademarks around, but the only one related to
> software is marked DEAD. The closest live one is for some folks who
> make keyboards.
>
>> search for "Check and make sure"
>
> All of these have been checked, made sure, and appropriately dated.
>
>> search for "Identify name recorded for software grant: the name of
>> the grant as record[sic]"
>
> Good catch, thank you.
ok.
>
>> search for "For individuals, use the name as recorded on the
>> committers page"
>
> Prior to import it has only been available under the Apache
> License, Version 2.0. As such, everyone not in violation of that
> license has distribution rights.
ok.
>
>>
>> If the incubator is to perform due diligence, there's not much on
>> which to perform "diligence" here.
>
> Huh? There are four code grants, one from each person who has
> contributed code. There are four CLA's, one from each person who
> has contributed code. There is verification of the information I
> asserted in the template. There is also the two spots in the
> template I missed filling in which you caught -- who has
> distribution rights and the name of the project used in grants.txt.
This is a question for the incubator "due diligencers". Is the intent
of the document to have the sections replaced as in [1] or simply
dated as in [2]?
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/geronimo-iiop.html
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/harmony-14-contribution-
classlib-ibm.html
I believe that if the incubator folks are supposed to perform due
diligence given only this form, then the form needs to have the
information. On the other hand, if the form is simply a checklist and
the incubator folks just make sure that the lists are checked, then
just dates are fine.
I think this is the subject of another email thread so I won't recap
here.
>
>> I might be missing the point of the template, but I guess the
>> sections above are supposed to be replaced with actual names,
>> actions taken, file locations, references to email threads, etc.
>
> I have checked in the updates to cover these points, but I have not
> redeployed the inubator site, For your convenience I have included
> the diff of the changes below.
Modulo remarks above, fine by me.
Thanks,
Craig
>
> Thank You!
>
> -Brian
>
> Index: site-author/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.xml
> ===================================================================
> --- site-author/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.xml (revision 508285)
> +++ site-author/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.xml (revision 508286)
> @@ -4,10 +4,7 @@
> <title>XYZ Codebase Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance
> Status</title>
> </properties>
> <body>
> - <section id="Codebase+IP+Clearance+TEMPLATE">
> - <title>Codebase IP Clearance TEMPLATE</title>
> - </section>
> - <section id="XYZ+Codebase+Intellectual+Property+%28IP%29
> +Clearance+Status">
> + <section id="Wombat+Codebase+Intellectual+Property+%28IP%29
> +Clearance+Status">
> <title>Wombat Codebase Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance
> Status</title>
> </section>
> <section id="Description">
> @@ -79,8 +76,7 @@
> </tr>
> </table>
> <p>
> -Identify name recorded for software grant: <em>the name of the
> grant as record
> -in the grants.txt document so that the grant can be easily
> identified</em>
> +Identify name recorded for software grant: <em>mod_wombat</em>
> </p>
> </section>
> <section id="Verify+distribution+rights">
> @@ -89,9 +85,8 @@
> Corporations and individuals holding existing distribution rights:
> </p>
> <ul>
> -<li>
> -<em>For individuals, use the name as recorded on the committers
> page</em>
> -</li>
> + <li>It is presently distributed under the Apache
> License, Version 2.0. <em>Everyone</em> not in violation of that
> license has distribution rights.</li>
> + <li>Contributions have been made by brianm, pquerna,
> rooneg, and Martin Traverso</li>
> </ul>
> <table>
> <tr>
>
>
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
On Feb 15, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> -1 (NOT binding)
>
> The document still contains remnants of its TEMPLATE origin
>
> search for "TEMPLATE"
Deleted this section, thank you
> search for "if applicable"
Using the search available here ( http://www.uspto.gov/main/
trademarks.htm ) I found nothing which looks infringing. There are a
number of wombat trademarks around, but the only one related to
software is marked DEAD. The closest live one is for some folks who
make keyboards.
> search for "Check and make sure"
All of these have been checked, made sure, and appropriately dated.
> search for "Identify name recorded for software grant: the name of
> the grant as record[sic]"
Good catch, thank you.
> search for "For individuals, use the name as recorded on the
> committers page"
Prior to import it has only been available under the Apache License,
Version 2.0. As such, everyone not in violation of that license has
distribution rights.
>
> If the incubator is to perform due diligence, there's not much on
> which to perform "diligence" here.
Huh? There are four code grants, one from each person who has
contributed code. There are four CLA's, one from each person who has
contributed code. There is verification of the information I asserted
in the template. There is also the two spots in the template I missed
filling in which you caught -- who has distribution rights and the
name of the project used in grants.txt.
> I might be missing the point of the template, but I guess the
> sections above are supposed to be replaced with actual names,
> actions taken, file locations, references to email threads, etc.
I have checked in the updates to cover these points, but I have not
redeployed the inubator site, For your convenience I have included
the diff of the changes below.
Thank You!
-Brian
Index: site-author/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.xml
===================================================================
--- site-author/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.xml (revision 508285)
+++ site-author/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.xml (revision 508286)
@@ -4,10 +4,7 @@
<title>XYZ Codebase Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance
Status</title>
</properties>
<body>
- <section id="Codebase+IP+Clearance+TEMPLATE">
- <title>Codebase IP Clearance TEMPLATE</title>
- </section>
- <section id="XYZ+Codebase+Intellectual+Property+%28IP%29
+Clearance+Status">
+ <section id="Wombat+Codebase+Intellectual+Property+%28IP%29
+Clearance+Status">
<title>Wombat Codebase Intellectual Property (IP) Clearance
Status</title>
</section>
<section id="Description">
@@ -79,8 +76,7 @@
</tr>
</table>
<p>
-Identify name recorded for software grant: <em>the name of the grant
as record
-in the grants.txt document so that the grant can be easily
identified</em>
+Identify name recorded for software grant: <em>mod_wombat</em>
</p>
</section>
<section id="Verify+distribution+rights">
@@ -89,9 +85,8 @@
Corporations and individuals holding existing distribution rights:
</p>
<ul>
-<li>
-<em>For individuals, use the name as recorded on the committers
page</em>
-</li>
+ <li>It is presently distributed under the Apache
License, Version 2.0. <em>Everyone</em> not in violation of that
license has distribution rights.</li>
+ <li>Contributions have been made by brianm, pquerna,
rooneg, and Martin Traverso</li>
</ul>
<table>
<tr>
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
>
> Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
> contributed code.
>
-1 (NOT binding)
The document still contains remnants of its TEMPLATE origin
search for "TEMPLATE"
search for "if applicable"
search for "Check and make sure"
search for "Identify name recorded for software grant: the name of
the grant as record[sic]"
search for "For individuals, use the name as recorded on the
committers page"
If the incubator is to perform due diligence, there's not much on
which to perform "diligence" here.
I might be missing the point of the template, but I guess the
sections above are supposed to be replaced with actual names, actions
taken, file locations, references to email threads, etc.
Craig
Craig Russell
DB PMC
clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo
Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
On Feb 13, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Brian McCallister wrote:
> The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
>
> Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
> contributed code.
>
+1
> This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
Huh? These types of things should require activing
voting, not lazy-consensus. Otherwise the Incubator
is worthless.
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Garrett Rooney <ro...@electricjellyfish.net>.
On 2/13/07, Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
>
> Code grants and CLA's have been recorded from each person who has
> contributed code.
>
> This is a lazy-consensus approval vote.
+1
-garrett
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Re: [vote] mod_wombat ip clearance
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hola,
On 2/13/07, Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> The last code grant for the mod_wombat codebase ( http://
> incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/httpd-wombat.html ) has been
> recorded and I would like to move forward with the import.
+1.
You might want to change the HTML <title> on that page to reflect the
project name ;)
Yoav
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