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Posted to dev@flink.apache.org by Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> on 2022/04/28 11:58:25 UTC
[DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
I just noticed that the list of community members on our website [1] is
quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project currently
has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's only 62
people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated roles.
I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each new
committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested new
committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out for
merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
Thank you~
Xintong Song
[1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
[2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com>.
FYI, I've created FLINK-27514 to add the notice and link.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-27514
Thank you~
Xintong Song
On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 2:51 PM Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Tison and Yun for sharing your opinions.
>
> @Tison,
> Keep both a potential out-of-date table and a link to the up-to-date list
> sounds good to me. We can also add a notice about the page being
> potentially out-of-date.
>
> @Yun,
> - I'm not sure about using someone's github avatar *by default*. I think
> we should at least get permission from that person, which IMO makes little
> difference than asking that person to update the website.
> - Adding a reminder in the invitation letter sounds good. However, I'm not
> sure whether we have such a place holding the template of an
> invitation letter. It seems to me most PMC members would just randomly pick
> a previous invitation letter from the mailing list archive and replace the
> name.
> - Adding a notice on the website definitely makes sense. We can also link
> to the up-to-date list in that notice.
>
>
> Thank you~
>
> Xintong Song
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:59 PM Yun Tang <my...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Xintong,
>>
>>
>> +1 to add a link for the full member information.
>>
>> And I think the avatars are very friendly for website viewers. The lazy
>> update might be caused by the invitation letter to new committer/PMC do not
>> have such hint to tell them to update the website.
>> If we can:
>>
>> 1. Manually update the information on the website if someone
>> voluntary, we can use the avatars from the github account by default.
>> 2. Add such reminder information in the invitation letters.
>> 3. Add descriptions in the website to tell viewers that the
>> information might not be up-to-date.
>>
>> I think this looks like a better solution.
>>
>> Best
>> Yun Tang
>> ________________________________
>> From: tison <wa...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 21:52
>> To: dev <de...@flink.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
>>
>> Hi Xintong,
>>
>> Thanks for starting this discussion.
>>
>> +0 to replace the information with link to
>> https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink.
>> +1 to add such a link.
>>
>> My opinion is that we the community doesn't have to keep the page up to
>> date since Apache has a member page[1]
>> that isn't up to date also.
>>
>> We can add one line to redirect to the whole list so that those who are
>> "lazy" to add themselves on the page
>> don't have to do it. And keep the table so that those who are proud to
>> announce their membership or trying a commit
>> with their commit access can do.
>>
>> Best,
>> tison.
>>
>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
>>
>>
>> Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月28日周四 21:26写道：
>>
>> > >
>> > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
>> > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Despite its fashionless look, I'm thinking the same thing...
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you~
>> >
>> > Xintong Song
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > > Jingsong
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
>> > > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in
>> the
>> > > > first place.
>> > > >
>> > > > On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
>> > > > > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website
>> [1]
>> > is
>> > > > > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project
>> > > currently
>> > > > > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's
>> only
>> > > 62
>> > > > > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated
>> > roles.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by
>> each
>> > new
>> > > > > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that
>> suggested
>> > new
>> > > > > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out
>> for
>> > > > > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
>> > > > > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thank you~
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Xintong Song
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Tison and Yun for sharing your opinions.
@Tison,
Keep both a potential out-of-date table and a link to the up-to-date list
sounds good to me. We can also add a notice about the page being
potentially out-of-date.
@Yun,
- I'm not sure about using someone's github avatar *by default*. I think we
should at least get permission from that person, which IMO makes little
difference than asking that person to update the website.
- Adding a reminder in the invitation letter sounds good. However, I'm not
sure whether we have such a place holding the template of an
invitation letter. It seems to me most PMC members would just randomly pick
a previous invitation letter from the mailing list archive and replace the
name.
- Adding a notice on the website definitely makes sense. We can also link
to the up-to-date list in that notice.
Thank you~
Xintong Song
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 2:59 PM Yun Tang <my...@live.com> wrote:
> Hi Xintong,
>
>
> +1 to add a link for the full member information.
>
> And I think the avatars are very friendly for website viewers. The lazy
> update might be caused by the invitation letter to new committer/PMC do not
> have such hint to tell them to update the website.
> If we can:
>
> 1. Manually update the information on the website if someone voluntary,
> we can use the avatars from the github account by default.
> 2. Add such reminder information in the invitation letters.
> 3. Add descriptions in the website to tell viewers that the information
> might not be up-to-date.
>
> I think this looks like a better solution.
>
> Best
> Yun Tang
> ________________________________
> From: tison <wa...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 21:52
> To: dev <de...@flink.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
>
> Hi Xintong,
>
> Thanks for starting this discussion.
>
> +0 to replace the information with link to
> https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink.
> +1 to add such a link.
>
> My opinion is that we the community doesn't have to keep the page up to
> date since Apache has a member page[1]
> that isn't up to date also.
>
> We can add one line to redirect to the whole list so that those who are
> "lazy" to add themselves on the page
> don't have to do it. And keep the table so that those who are proud to
> announce their membership or trying a commit
> with their commit access can do.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
>
>
> Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月28日周四 21:26写道：
>
> > >
> > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> > >
> >
> > Despite its fashionless look, I'm thinking the same thing...
> >
> >
> > Thank you~
> >
> > Xintong Song
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Jingsong
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in
> the
> > > > first place.
> > > >
> > > > On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
> > > > > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website
> [1]
> > is
> > > > > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project
> > > currently
> > > > > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's
> only
> > > 62
> > > > > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated
> > roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each
> > new
> > > > > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested
> > new
> > > > > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out
> for
> > > > > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
> > > > > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you~
> > > > >
> > > > > Xintong Song
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
> > > > >
> > > > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by Yun Tang <my...@live.com>.
Hi Xintong,
+1 to add a link for the full member information.
And I think the avatars are very friendly for website viewers. The lazy update might be caused by the invitation letter to new committer/PMC do not have such hint to tell them to update the website.
If we can:
1. Manually update the information on the website if someone voluntary, we can use the avatars from the github account by default.
2. Add such reminder information in the invitation letters.
3. Add descriptions in the website to tell viewers that the information might not be up-to-date.
I think this looks like a better solution.
Best
Yun Tang
________________________________
From: tison <wa...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 21:52
To: dev <de...@flink.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Hi Xintong,
Thanks for starting this discussion.
+0 to replace the information with link to
https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink.
+1 to add such a link.
My opinion is that we the community doesn't have to keep the page up to
date since Apache has a member page[1]
that isn't up to date also.
We can add one line to redirect to the whole list so that those who are
"lazy" to add themselves on the page
don't have to do it. And keep the table so that those who are proud to
announce their membership or trying a commit
with their commit access can do.
Best,
tison.
[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月28日周四 21:26写道：
> >
> > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> >
>
> Despite its fashionless look, I'm thinking the same thing...
>
>
> Thank you~
>
> Xintong Song
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
> >
> > Best,
> > Jingsong
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in the
> > > first place.
> > >
> > > On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
> > > > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
> > > >
> > > > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website [1]
> is
> > > > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project
> > currently
> > > > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's only
> > 62
> > > > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated
> roles.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each
> new
> > > > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested
> new
> > > > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out for
> > > > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
> > > > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you~
> > > >
> > > > Xintong Song
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
> > > >
> > > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by tison <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Xintong,
Thanks for starting this discussion.
+0 to replace the information with link to
https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink.
+1 to add such a link.
My opinion is that we the community doesn't have to keep the page up to
date since Apache has a member page[1]
that isn't up to date also.
We can add one line to redirect to the whole list so that those who are
"lazy" to add themselves on the page
don't have to do it. And keep the table so that those who are proud to
announce their membership or trying a commit
with their commit access can do.
Best,
tison.
[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月28日周四 21:26写道：
> >
> > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> >
>
> Despite its fashionless look, I'm thinking the same thing...
>
>
> Thank you~
>
> Xintong Song
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
> >
> > Best,
> > Jingsong
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in the
> > > first place.
> > >
> > > On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
> > > > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
> > > >
> > > > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website [1]
> is
> > > > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project
> > currently
> > > > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's only
> > 62
> > > > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated
> roles.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each
> new
> > > > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested
> new
> > > > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out for
> > > > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
> > > > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you~
> > > >
> > > > Xintong Song
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
> > > >
> > > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by Xintong Song <to...@gmail.com>.
>
> Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
>
Despite its fashionless look, I'm thinking the same thing...
Thank you~
Xintong Song
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:41 PM Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
>
> Best,
> Jingsong
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> > https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
> >
> > I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in the
> > first place.
> >
> > On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
> > > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
> > >
> > > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website [1] is
> > > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project
> currently
> > > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's only
> 62
> > > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated roles.
> > >
> > > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each new
> > > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested new
> > > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out for
> > > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
> > >
> > > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
> > > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
> > >
> > > Thank you~
> > >
> > > Xintong Song
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
> > >
> > > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by Jingsong Li <ji...@gmail.com>.
One value is that this page has avatars. :-)
Best,
Jingsong
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:27 PM Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Personally I'm tempted to just link to
> https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
>
> I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in the
> first place.
>
> On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
> > Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
> >
> > I just noticed that the list of community members on our website [1] is
> > quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project currently
> > has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's only 62
> > people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated roles.
> >
> > I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each new
> > committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested new
> > committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out for
> > merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
> >
> > Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
> > investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
> >
> > Thank you~
> >
> > Xintong Song
> >
> >
> > [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
> >
> > [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Keep the Community Member Information Up-to-Date
Posted by Chesnay Schepler <ch...@apache.org>.
Personally I'm tempted to just link to
https://projects.apache.org/committee.html?flink, if at all.
I'm not sure overall whether this listing really provides value in the
first place.
On 28/04/2022 13:58, Xintong Song wrote:
> Hi Flink Committers & PMC members,
>
> I just noticed that the list of community members on our website [1] is
> quite out-of-date. According to the ASF roster [2], this project currently
> has 87 committers, 39 of which are PMC members. However, there's only 62
> people listed on our website, and many (e.g., me) have outdated roles.
>
> I believe the list on the website is supposed to be updated by each new
> committer / PMC member. I remember reading somewhere that suggested new
> committers to add themselves to this list as the first trying-out for
> merging changes. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore.
>
> Do you think we should keep the page manually updated, or shall we
> investigate some way to keep it automatically synchronized?
>
> Thank you~
>
> Xintong Song
>
>
> [1] https://flink.apache.org/community.html
>
> [2] https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/committee/flink
>