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Tomcat 11 Release Date
Good afternoon,
I know we are in milestone 7 of Apache Tomcat 11, but do any of you know when the release date will be for Apache Tomcat 11? It does not have to be an exact date, but just a ballpark date.
Regards,
William Crowell
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Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
Posted by William Crowell <WC...@perforce.com.INVALID>.
Mark,
Thank you sir and will let you know on additional features. Have a great weekend.
Regards,
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From: Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 4:36 AM
To: users@tomcat.apache.org <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
On 08/06/2023 21:37, William Crowell wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Thank you for your reply. Any ideas on Tomcat 11 features that will be included with a final release next year?
Virtual thread support was the the first major new feature and that was
included in the recent 11.0.0-M7 release. There will probably be more
loom related changes as it starts being used and bottlenecks are discovered.
We hoped to take advantage of project Panama to simplify OpenSSL
integration but that looks like it will remain in preview for Java 21.
QUIC is still on the radar but without Panama support it looks unlikely
that we'll add QUIC support to Tomcat 11.
The Jakarta spec changes look to be mostly about clarifying grey areas
and small feature improvements.
Other than that, the best thing to do is follow the change log and if
there are features you'd like to see, speak up.
Mark#
>
> Regards,
>
> William Crowell
>
> From: Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 4:05 PM
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
> On 08/06/2023 19:56, William Crowell wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> I know we are in milestone 7 of Apache Tomcat 11, but do any of you know when the release date will be for Apache Tomcat 11? It does not have to be an exact date, but just a ballpark date.
>
> The criteria for a stable release are:
> - All implemented Jakarta specifications are released
> - Tomcat has fully implemented all the specifications
> - Committer judgement
>
> Expanding on those, my best guess for the Jakarta EE specs to be
> released is March. Tomcat follows the Jakarta development pretty closely
> so I am fairly confident that Tomcat will have fully implemented the
> relevant Jakarta EE 11 APIs long before the specs are finally released.
>
> The committer judgement has changed over the years. Back when the major
> Tomcat versions had significantly different code bases, we wanted to
> allow time for bugs to be found before declaring a major release stable.
> Currently we try and keep the code bases more in-line and are actively
> looking for opportunities to reduce differences where we can. The major
> benefit of this is a greater degree of confidence in the code. My best
> guess in that the committers will declare Tomcat 11 stable a few Tomcat
> release cycles after the Jakarta EE 11 release.
>
> All that adds up to somewhere around June 2024 as a best guess at the
> moment.
>
> HTH,
>
> Mark
>
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Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
Posted by Rémy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:38 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2023 21:37, William Crowell wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply. Any ideas on Tomcat 11 features that will be included with a final release next year?
>
> Virtual thread support was the the first major new feature and that was
> included in the recent 11.0.0-M7 release. There will probably be more
> loom related changes as it starts being used and bottlenecks are discovered.
>
> We hoped to take advantage of project Panama to simplify OpenSSL
> integration but that looks like it will remain in preview for Java 21.
>
> QUIC is still on the radar but without Panama support it looks unlikely
> that we'll add QUIC support to Tomcat 11.
First item would be: Panama is non preview in Java 22. I really hope so !
Following this, it should become possible to compile with 22 and
target 21 (except for the classes actually using Panama).
Rémy
> The Jakarta spec changes look to be mostly about clarifying grey areas
> and small feature improvements.
>
> Other than that, the best thing to do is follow the change log and if
> there are features you'd like to see, speak up.
>
> Mark#
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > William Crowell
> >
> > From: Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
> > Date: Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 4:05 PM
> > To: users@tomcat.apache.org <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
> > On 08/06/2023 19:56, William Crowell wrote:
> >> Good afternoon,
> >>
> >> I know we are in milestone 7 of Apache Tomcat 11, but do any of you know when the release date will be for Apache Tomcat 11? It does not have to be an exact date, but just a ballpark date.
> >
> > The criteria for a stable release are:
> > - All implemented Jakarta specifications are released
> > - Tomcat has fully implemented all the specifications
> > - Committer judgement
> >
> > Expanding on those, my best guess for the Jakarta EE specs to be
> > released is March. Tomcat follows the Jakarta development pretty closely
> > so I am fairly confident that Tomcat will have fully implemented the
> > relevant Jakarta EE 11 APIs long before the specs are finally released.
> >
> > The committer judgement has changed over the years. Back when the major
> > Tomcat versions had significantly different code bases, we wanted to
> > allow time for bugs to be found before declaring a major release stable.
> > Currently we try and keep the code bases more in-line and are actively
> > looking for opportunities to reduce differences where we can. The major
> > benefit of this is a greater degree of confidence in the code. My best
> > guess in that the committers will declare Tomcat 11 stable a few Tomcat
> > release cycles after the Jakarta EE 11 release.
> >
> > All that adds up to somewhere around June 2024 as a best guess at the
> > moment.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Mark
> >
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Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 08/06/2023 21:37, William Crowell wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Thank you for your reply. Any ideas on Tomcat 11 features that will be included with a final release next year?
Virtual thread support was the the first major new feature and that was
included in the recent 11.0.0-M7 release. There will probably be more
loom related changes as it starts being used and bottlenecks are discovered.
We hoped to take advantage of project Panama to simplify OpenSSL
integration but that looks like it will remain in preview for Java 21.
QUIC is still on the radar but without Panama support it looks unlikely
that we'll add QUIC support to Tomcat 11.
The Jakarta spec changes look to be mostly about clarifying grey areas
and small feature improvements.
Other than that, the best thing to do is follow the change log and if
there are features you'd like to see, speak up.
Mark#
>
> Regards,
>
> William Crowell
>
> From: Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
> Date: Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 4:05 PM
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
> On 08/06/2023 19:56, William Crowell wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> I know we are in milestone 7 of Apache Tomcat 11, but do any of you know when the release date will be for Apache Tomcat 11? It does not have to be an exact date, but just a ballpark date.
>
> The criteria for a stable release are:
> - All implemented Jakarta specifications are released
> - Tomcat has fully implemented all the specifications
> - Committer judgement
>
> Expanding on those, my best guess for the Jakarta EE specs to be
> released is March. Tomcat follows the Jakarta development pretty closely
> so I am fairly confident that Tomcat will have fully implemented the
> relevant Jakarta EE 11 APIs long before the specs are finally released.
>
> The committer judgement has changed over the years. Back when the major
> Tomcat versions had significantly different code bases, we wanted to
> allow time for bugs to be found before declaring a major release stable.
> Currently we try and keep the code bases more in-line and are actively
> looking for opportunities to reduce differences where we can. The major
> benefit of this is a greater degree of confidence in the code. My best
> guess in that the committers will declare Tomcat 11 stable a few Tomcat
> release cycles after the Jakarta EE 11 release.
>
> All that adds up to somewhere around June 2024 as a best guess at the
> moment.
>
> HTH,
>
> Mark
>
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Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
Posted by William Crowell <WC...@perforce.com.INVALID>.
Mark,
Thank you for your reply. Any ideas on Tomcat 11 features that will be included with a final release next year?
Regards,
William Crowell
From: Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>
Date: Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 4:05 PM
To: users@tomcat.apache.org <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
On 08/06/2023 19:56, William Crowell wrote:
> Good afternoon,
>
> I know we are in milestone 7 of Apache Tomcat 11, but do any of you know when the release date will be for Apache Tomcat 11? It does not have to be an exact date, but just a ballpark date.
The criteria for a stable release are:
- All implemented Jakarta specifications are released
- Tomcat has fully implemented all the specifications
- Committer judgement
Expanding on those, my best guess for the Jakarta EE specs to be
released is March. Tomcat follows the Jakarta development pretty closely
so I am fairly confident that Tomcat will have fully implemented the
relevant Jakarta EE 11 APIs long before the specs are finally released.
The committer judgement has changed over the years. Back when the major
Tomcat versions had significantly different code bases, we wanted to
allow time for bugs to be found before declaring a major release stable.
Currently we try and keep the code bases more in-line and are actively
looking for opportunities to reduce differences where we can. The major
benefit of this is a greater degree of confidence in the code. My best
guess in that the committers will declare Tomcat 11 stable a few Tomcat
release cycles after the Jakarta EE 11 release.
All that adds up to somewhere around June 2024 as a best guess at the
moment.
HTH,
Mark
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Re: Tomcat 11 Release Date
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 08/06/2023 19:56, William Crowell wrote:
> Good afternoon,
>
> I know we are in milestone 7 of Apache Tomcat 11, but do any of you know when the release date will be for Apache Tomcat 11? It does not have to be an exact date, but just a ballpark date.
The criteria for a stable release are:
- All implemented Jakarta specifications are released
- Tomcat has fully implemented all the specifications
- Committer judgement
Expanding on those, my best guess for the Jakarta EE specs to be
released is March. Tomcat follows the Jakarta development pretty closely
so I am fairly confident that Tomcat will have fully implemented the
relevant Jakarta EE 11 APIs long before the specs are finally released.
The committer judgement has changed over the years. Back when the major
Tomcat versions had significantly different code bases, we wanted to
allow time for bugs to be found before declaring a major release stable.
Currently we try and keep the code bases more in-line and are actively
looking for opportunities to reduce differences where we can. The major
benefit of this is a greater degree of confidence in the code. My best
guess in that the committers will declare Tomcat 11 stable a few Tomcat
release cycles after the Jakarta EE 11 release.
All that adds up to somewhere around June 2024 as a best guess at the
moment.
HTH,
Mark
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