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Posted to jcp-open@apache.org by Joe Schaefer <jo...@sunstarsys.com> on 2007/07/07 00:53:22 UTC
Re: Polls vs Votes
"Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
> On Jul 3, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> writes:
>>
>>> As a non-member I may not know the full negotiation history, this
>>> doesn't mean that myself or committers from other projects have no
>>> business taking part in this discussion.
>>
>> That's not what Roy is talking about, I don't think. The point is that
>> jcp-open@ is *solely* a discussion list, with no ability to issue
>> votes which are binding on the foundation. And I don't think it'd
>> be a good idea for us to turn it into one. Perhaps Sam should have
>> called it a [POLL], because that's all it really is.
>>
>> The abstain vote that took place yesterday is a bad sign that we are
>> now operating in the JCP without any real direction. *That* problem
>> should be resolved immediately, even if it means making an imperfect
>> and/or temporary choice. But it's the board's job to make that choice,
>> not the folks on this mailing list.
>
> At the risk of appearing to play to the crowd, I think that the voices
> on this mailing list is important, and I am offended that you
> characterize our operation in the JCP as lacking direction.
I'm sorry you feel offended, but IMO we exactly that in the comment
text you chose to use for the vote.
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Joe Schaefer
Re: Polls vs Votes
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@buni.org>.
Joe Schaefer wrote:
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@buni.org> writes:
>
>
> Sorry, s/we exactly/we did exactly/. Here's an excerpt of the
> text:
>
> "Since Sun has not responded to the ASF's open Letter
> on this matter, the ASF is currently in the process of formulating a new
> policy towards the JCP (see jcp-open@apache.org) and all future JSRs will be
> evaluated in light of that policy. Since the policy has not yet been
> finalized, the ASF reluctantly abstains from voting at this time."
>
> IOW, without a new policy, we don't know how to exercise
> our vote other than "abstain". That's what I meang by
> "lacking direction".
>
Thank you that is much clearer :-)
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Re: Polls vs Votes
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@sunstarsys.com>.
"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@buni.org> writes:
> Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 3, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>> At the risk of appearing to play to the crowd, I think that the
>>> voices on this mailing list is important, and I am offended that you
>>> characterize our operation in the JCP as lacking direction.
>>>
>>
>> I'm sorry you feel offended, but IMO we exactly that in the comment
>> text you chose to use for the vote.
>>
>
> can you rephrase that a tad?
Sorry, s/we exactly/we did exactly/. Here's an excerpt of the
text:
"Since Sun has not responded to the ASF's open Letter
on this matter, the ASF is currently in the process of formulating a new
policy towards the JCP (see jcp-open@apache.org) and all future JSRs will be
evaluated in light of that policy. Since the policy has not yet been
finalized, the ASF reluctantly abstains from voting at this time."
IOW, without a new policy, we don't know how to exercise
our vote other than "abstain". That's what I meang by
"lacking direction".
--
Joe Schaefer
Re: Polls vs Votes
Posted by "Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@buni.org>.
Joe Schaefer wrote:
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>
>> On Jul 3, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>
>> At the risk of appearing to play to the crowd, I think that the voices
>> on this mailing list is important, and I am offended that you
>> characterize our operation in the JCP as lacking direction.
>>
>
> I'm sorry you feel offended, but IMO we exactly that in the comment
> text you chose to use for the vote.
>
can you rephrase that a tad?
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