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Meeting minutes
It's come to my attention that the OpenMeetings project is posting
meeting minutes to the ASF general blog, e.g. [1]
It's great that you are posting these publicly, but this is not the
right place for them. The ASF general blog is for cross foundation
items, not individual project items. The best place to post them is
this list and/or an OpenMeetings specific blog and/or the website/wiki
In addition I'd like to understand how these meetings are organised
and how they are inclusive of the whole community. I have not seen any
announcements of these meetings on the dev list, did I miss them?
Note, that in general the ASF does not like projects to adopt
synchronous communication mechanisms, they exclude members of the
community unable to participate at a given time. They can be used in
controlled ways, but they must be maximally inclusive (posting
proposals for discussion rather than decisions made at the meeting for
example). Im happy to figure out how to adapt your previous project
management processes to those expected here.
Ross
[1] https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/meeting_minutes
--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Meeting minutes
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
I think so too, maybe there is no other chance then using
opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com
for "informal" postings like the meeting minutes.
@Alexei Have you the right to update the comitters.ini at planet.apache.org?
Could you add: opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com and
wagner-sebastian.com to the blog section there?
Another idea I have is to have an RSS reader at our website that shows the
latest postings so that we don't need to update the news section manually.
Does anybody know if a potential "Apache CMS" has such feature ?
I don't think that there is any consens yet about wether to use Apache CMS
or not. It would be nice if there is a playground somewhere with Apache CMS
and also to see how hard it is to change its layout.
Thanks!
Sebastian
2012/3/28 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> Here is a brief overview of private discussion with Joe Schaefer and
> Sally Khudairi. The formal posts should just be inline with other
> project posts. That gives blogs.apache.org solid look and feel.
>
> For less formal posts we can use planet.apache.org/committers which
> is in fact RSS aggregator.
>
> That's actually means we can plug in Sebastian's existing blogs into
> planet.apache.org/committers for less formal yet interesting and
> promotional posts. As for mine (dataved.ru is mine blogger blog) I
> don't know if blogs in Russian are allowed @planet. Irina can continue
> editing http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com/ directly.
>
> Do any of our committers have blogs?
>
> Finally, here are meeting minutes which produced a discussion.
>
> Attendees
> Alexei Fedotov,
> Denis Kandrov,
> German Grekhov,
> Irina Arkhipets,
> Maria Stepanova,
> Olga Golosova,
> Timur Tleukenov
>
> Action Items
> Commercial Support FAQ should be updated: we need customers to be
> aware we check in changes into open source branch (Irina)
> Fix for RTL should be checked into open source when it is finished (Timur)
> Debian on demo server should be updated (Denis)
> Meeting Minutes should be published here in the blog (Irina & Alexei)
> Hosting howto:
> - Need to create a table with the prices and outlays as well as a
> brief description (Denis & Maria)
> - There would be two possible types of the hosting. Support and
> guaranteed bandwidth would different for these two types.
> - Commercial Support FAQ should be updated correspondingly (Irina)ю
>
> Thanks Irina for the notes.
>
> We also discussed a Crome crash
> chrome://favicon/size/64/http://apache.org/ people cannot resist to
> try.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> 2012/3/28 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> > The best solution would be if you could "tag" postings @
> > blogs.apache.orgto be "general" or not and depending on that the entry
> > is on the main
> > landing page or just in the specific project scope ?
> >
> > Using the wiki for blogging is kind of difficult. In the wiki there are
> no
> > aggregators or feeds that makes blogging efficient.
> > Putting it only on the incubator website would mean that currently only
> > users with SVN access can post blog entries.
> > We where using http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.de/ so far ...
> > however it seemed to be not-appropriate for a official blog as we are now
> > an ASF project.
> >
> > Sebastian
> >
> > 2012/3/28 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Well, let me add a word concerning our intentions.
> >>
> >> 1.
> >> We want some of non-commercial details to be discussed publicly. This
> >> includes roadmap, and project promotion. I believe discussing
> >> promotion this is not against non-commercial nature of ASF.
> >>
> >> 2.
> >> Concerning PR, that's why we started posting to Apache blog. We need
> >> to be more open for people who cannot use mail lists. They still can
> >> be our users.
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> >> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Ross,
> >> >
> >> > 1.
> >> > I have closed the notes. I've added another item right before read
> >> > this email, and it is still open.
> >> >
> >> > 2.
> >> > I expect something under openmeetings/ path to be project specific.
> >> > Why this is not the case?
> >> >
> >> > 3.
> >> > The purpose of these monthly meetings is community building, we should
> >> > start sending public announcements. Today we expected Sebastian and
> >> > Maxim, but that occasionally didn't happen.
> >> >
> >> > 4.
> >> > One thing I wanted to discuss earlier. I thought we could use
> >> > Openmeetings server for GSoC interviews. We can use one of our
> >> > existing servers (infra team cannot provide one due to recent
> >> > discussion). Maybe it worth renaming it to something under apache.org
> >> > domain. What do you think?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> > http://dataved.ru/
> >> > +7 916 562 8095
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Ross Gardler
> >> > <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> >> >> It's come to my attention that the OpenMeetings project is posting
> >> >> meeting minutes to the ASF general blog, e.g. [1]
> >> >>
> >> >> It's great that you are posting these publicly, but this is not the
> >> >> right place for them. The ASF general blog is for cross foundation
> >> >> items, not individual project items. The best place to post them is
> >> >> this list and/or an OpenMeetings specific blog and/or the
> website/wiki
> >> >>
> >> >> In addition I'd like to understand how these meetings are organised
> >> >> and how they are inclusive of the whole community. I have not seen
> any
> >> >> announcements of these meetings on the dev list, did I miss them?
> >> >> Note, that in general the ASF does not like projects to adopt
> >> >> synchronous communication mechanisms, they exclude members of the
> >> >> community unable to participate at a given time. They can be used in
> >> >> controlled ways, but they must be maximally inclusive (posting
> >> >> proposals for discussion rather than decisions made at the meeting
> for
> >> >> example). Im happy to figure out how to adapt your previous project
> >> >> management processes to those expected here.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ross
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/meeting_minutes
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Meeting minutes
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Here is a brief overview of private discussion with Joe Schaefer and
Sally Khudairi. The formal posts should just be inline with other
project posts. That gives blogs.apache.org solid look and feel.
For less formal posts we can use planet.apache.org/committers which
is in fact RSS aggregator.
That's actually means we can plug in Sebastian's existing blogs into
planet.apache.org/committers for less formal yet interesting and
promotional posts. As for mine (dataved.ru is mine blogger blog) I
don't know if blogs in Russian are allowed @planet. Irina can continue
editing http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.com/ directly.
Do any of our committers have blogs?
Finally, here are meeting minutes which produced a discussion.
Attendees
Alexei Fedotov,
Denis Kandrov,
German Grekhov,
Irina Arkhipets,
Maria Stepanova,
Olga Golosova,
Timur Tleukenov
Action Items
Commercial Support FAQ should be updated: we need customers to be
aware we check in changes into open source branch (Irina)
Fix for RTL should be checked into open source when it is finished (Timur)
Debian on demo server should be updated (Denis)
Meeting Minutes should be published here in the blog (Irina & Alexei)
Hosting howto:
- Need to create a table with the prices and outlays as well as a
brief description (Denis & Maria)
- There would be two possible types of the hosting. Support and
guaranteed bandwidth would different for these two types.
- Commercial Support FAQ should be updated correspondingly (Irina)ю
Thanks Irina for the notes.
We also discussed a Crome crash
chrome://favicon/size/64/http://apache.org/ people cannot resist to
try.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
2012/3/28 seba.wagner@gmail.com <se...@gmail.com>:
> The best solution would be if you could "tag" postings @
> blogs.apache.orgto be "general" or not and depending on that the entry
> is on the main
> landing page or just in the specific project scope ?
>
> Using the wiki for blogging is kind of difficult. In the wiki there are no
> aggregators or feeds that makes blogging efficient.
> Putting it only on the incubator website would mean that currently only
> users with SVN access can post blog entries.
> We where using http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.de/ so far ...
> however it seemed to be not-appropriate for a official blog as we are now
> an ASF project.
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/3/28 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>
>> Well, let me add a word concerning our intentions.
>>
>> 1.
>> We want some of non-commercial details to be discussed publicly. This
>> includes roadmap, and project promotion. I believe discussing
>> promotion this is not against non-commercial nature of ASF.
>>
>> 2.
>> Concerning PR, that's why we started posting to Apache blog. We need
>> to be more open for people who cannot use mail lists. They still can
>> be our users.
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Ross,
>> >
>> > 1.
>> > I have closed the notes. I've added another item right before read
>> > this email, and it is still open.
>> >
>> > 2.
>> > I expect something under openmeetings/ path to be project specific.
>> > Why this is not the case?
>> >
>> > 3.
>> > The purpose of these monthly meetings is community building, we should
>> > start sending public announcements. Today we expected Sebastian and
>> > Maxim, but that occasionally didn't happen.
>> >
>> > 4.
>> > One thing I wanted to discuss earlier. I thought we could use
>> > Openmeetings server for GSoC interviews. We can use one of our
>> > existing servers (infra team cannot provide one due to recent
>> > discussion). Maybe it worth renaming it to something under apache.org
>> > domain. What do you think?
>> >
>> > --
>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Ross Gardler
>> > <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
>> >> It's come to my attention that the OpenMeetings project is posting
>> >> meeting minutes to the ASF general blog, e.g. [1]
>> >>
>> >> It's great that you are posting these publicly, but this is not the
>> >> right place for them. The ASF general blog is for cross foundation
>> >> items, not individual project items. The best place to post them is
>> >> this list and/or an OpenMeetings specific blog and/or the website/wiki
>> >>
>> >> In addition I'd like to understand how these meetings are organised
>> >> and how they are inclusive of the whole community. I have not seen any
>> >> announcements of these meetings on the dev list, did I miss them?
>> >> Note, that in general the ASF does not like projects to adopt
>> >> synchronous communication mechanisms, they exclude members of the
>> >> community unable to participate at a given time. They can be used in
>> >> controlled ways, but they must be maximally inclusive (posting
>> >> proposals for discussion rather than decisions made at the meeting for
>> >> example). Im happy to figure out how to adapt your previous project
>> >> management processes to those expected here.
>> >>
>> >> Ross
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/meeting_minutes
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Meeting minutes
Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
The best solution would be if you could "tag" postings @
blogs.apache.orgto be "general" or not and depending on that the entry
is on the main
landing page or just in the specific project scope ?
Using the wiki for blogging is kind of difficult. In the wiki there are no
aggregators or feeds that makes blogging efficient.
Putting it only on the incubator website would mean that currently only
users with SVN access can post blog entries.
We where using http://opensourcewebconferencing.blogspot.de/ so far ...
however it seemed to be not-appropriate for a official blog as we are now
an ASF project.
Sebastian
2012/3/28 Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> Well, let me add a word concerning our intentions.
>
> 1.
> We want some of non-commercial details to be discussed publicly. This
> includes roadmap, and project promotion. I believe discussing
> promotion this is not against non-commercial nature of ASF.
>
> 2.
> Concerning PR, that's why we started posting to Apache blog. We need
> to be more open for people who cannot use mail lists. They still can
> be our users.
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Ross,
> >
> > 1.
> > I have closed the notes. I've added another item right before read
> > this email, and it is still open.
> >
> > 2.
> > I expect something under openmeetings/ path to be project specific.
> > Why this is not the case?
> >
> > 3.
> > The purpose of these monthly meetings is community building, we should
> > start sending public announcements. Today we expected Sebastian and
> > Maxim, but that occasionally didn't happen.
> >
> > 4.
> > One thing I wanted to discuss earlier. I thought we could use
> > Openmeetings server for GSoC interviews. We can use one of our
> > existing servers (infra team cannot provide one due to recent
> > discussion). Maybe it worth renaming it to something under apache.org
> > domain. What do you think?
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Ross Gardler
> > <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> >> It's come to my attention that the OpenMeetings project is posting
> >> meeting minutes to the ASF general blog, e.g. [1]
> >>
> >> It's great that you are posting these publicly, but this is not the
> >> right place for them. The ASF general blog is for cross foundation
> >> items, not individual project items. The best place to post them is
> >> this list and/or an OpenMeetings specific blog and/or the website/wiki
> >>
> >> In addition I'd like to understand how these meetings are organised
> >> and how they are inclusive of the whole community. I have not seen any
> >> announcements of these meetings on the dev list, did I miss them?
> >> Note, that in general the ASF does not like projects to adopt
> >> synchronous communication mechanisms, they exclude members of the
> >> community unable to participate at a given time. They can be used in
> >> controlled ways, but they must be maximally inclusive (posting
> >> proposals for discussion rather than decisions made at the meeting for
> >> example). Im happy to figure out how to adapt your previous project
> >> management processes to those expected here.
> >>
> >> Ross
> >>
> >> [1] https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/meeting_minutes
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>
--
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.openmeetings.de
http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com
Re: Meeting minutes
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Well, let me add a word concerning our intentions.
1.
We want some of non-commercial details to be discussed publicly. This
includes roadmap, and project promotion. I believe discussing
promotion this is not against non-commercial nature of ASF.
2.
Concerning PR, that's why we started posting to Apache blog. We need
to be more open for people who cannot use mail lists. They still can
be our users.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ross,
>
> 1.
> I have closed the notes. I've added another item right before read
> this email, and it is still open.
>
> 2.
> I expect something under openmeetings/ path to be project specific.
> Why this is not the case?
>
> 3.
> The purpose of these monthly meetings is community building, we should
> start sending public announcements. Today we expected Sebastian and
> Maxim, but that occasionally didn't happen.
>
> 4.
> One thing I wanted to discuss earlier. I thought we could use
> Openmeetings server for GSoC interviews. We can use one of our
> existing servers (infra team cannot provide one due to recent
> discussion). Maybe it worth renaming it to something under apache.org
> domain. What do you think?
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Ross Gardler
> <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
>> It's come to my attention that the OpenMeetings project is posting
>> meeting minutes to the ASF general blog, e.g. [1]
>>
>> It's great that you are posting these publicly, but this is not the
>> right place for them. The ASF general blog is for cross foundation
>> items, not individual project items. The best place to post them is
>> this list and/or an OpenMeetings specific blog and/or the website/wiki
>>
>> In addition I'd like to understand how these meetings are organised
>> and how they are inclusive of the whole community. I have not seen any
>> announcements of these meetings on the dev list, did I miss them?
>> Note, that in general the ASF does not like projects to adopt
>> synchronous communication mechanisms, they exclude members of the
>> community unable to participate at a given time. They can be used in
>> controlled ways, but they must be maximally inclusive (posting
>> proposals for discussion rather than decisions made at the meeting for
>> example). Im happy to figure out how to adapt your previous project
>> management processes to those expected here.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> [1] https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/meeting_minutes
>>
>> --
>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: Meeting minutes
Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Hi Ross,
1.
I have closed the notes. I've added another item right before read
this email, and it is still open.
2.
I expect something under openmeetings/ path to be project specific.
Why this is not the case?
3.
The purpose of these monthly meetings is community building, we should
start sending public announcements. Today we expected Sebastian and
Maxim, but that occasionally didn't happen.
4.
One thing I wanted to discuss earlier. I thought we could use
Openmeetings server for GSoC interviews. We can use one of our
existing servers (infra team cannot provide one due to recent
discussion). Maybe it worth renaming it to something under apache.org
domain. What do you think?
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Ross Gardler
<rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> It's come to my attention that the OpenMeetings project is posting
> meeting minutes to the ASF general blog, e.g. [1]
>
> It's great that you are posting these publicly, but this is not the
> right place for them. The ASF general blog is for cross foundation
> items, not individual project items. The best place to post them is
> this list and/or an OpenMeetings specific blog and/or the website/wiki
>
> In addition I'd like to understand how these meetings are organised
> and how they are inclusive of the whole community. I have not seen any
> announcements of these meetings on the dev list, did I miss them?
> Note, that in general the ASF does not like projects to adopt
> synchronous communication mechanisms, they exclude members of the
> community unable to participate at a given time. They can be used in
> controlled ways, but they must be maximally inclusive (posting
> proposals for discussion rather than decisions made at the meeting for
> example). Im happy to figure out how to adapt your previous project
> management processes to those expected here.
>
> Ross
>
> [1] https://blogs.apache.org/openmeetings/entry/meeting_minutes
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com