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Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:12 AM Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> + legal-discuss
>
> move the discussion to dev@dubbo.apache.org
>
> Not sure if ASF already has cooperation with JProfiler or not. If not
> I suggest to do it in ASF level so that other Apache projects can
> benefit as well.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:22 PM yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, members.
> >
> > I recently used jprofile[1] to troubleshoot some performance issues.
> Since jprofile is more expensive, I am still applying for trial eligibility.
> >
> > But the good news is that jprofile officially supports open source
> projects. We can use Dubbo to apply for some free licenses. In exchange, we
> need to give jprofile's official website link on Dubbo's official website.
> >
> > After I communicated with them, they said that they could give us
> license and distributed according to the current number of contributors
> (207, currently).
> >
> > Can we receive these licenses?
> >
> > [1] https://www.ej-technologies.com/products/jprofiler/overview.html
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards！
> Huxing
>
Re:Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by KimmKing <ki...@apache.org>.
Nice job.
> In addition, after communicating with Jprofile, they will provide a license
> for all Committer to use.
And a link on Project Thanks Pages should be necessary to respect Jprofile team.
At 2019-07-07 08:57:28, "Huxing Zhang" <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:29 PM yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, everyone.
>>
>> It seems that we have no other opinions on the license of Jprofile.
>>
>> I will start the two things above.
>>
>> In addition, after communicating with Jprofile, they will provide a license
>> for all Committer to use.
>>
>> Regarding the maintenance of this license, I think it should not appear in
>> any public place, it should be maintained by PMCs, and any Committer that
>> needs to use it needs to apply on the dev list. This is a security measure
>> used to ensure that this license is not overused.
>>
>> What do you think?
>
>Any ASF project has a private svn to store private information, such
>as password, private keys, and etc.
>I think we can store it there, and send the notice to committers and
>document on the new committer guide.
>If they are willing to use it, they are ask on the PMC member list.
>
>
>
>>
>> yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com> 于2019年7月4日周四 上午10:24写道：
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I took a look at this guide. It seems that we need to do a few things:
>> >
>> > 1. Agree with the PMCs to confirm that we are using Jprofile and agree to
>> > add the official link to Jprofile.
>> > 2. Add a thanks page to the current official website[1]. I personally
>> > think that we should also thank Intellij Idea for supporting the project.
>> >
>> > By the way, after we have done the above, how do we go through the last
>> > step mentioned in the guide?
>> >
>> > > Project Thanks Pages should include a closing overview paragraph that
>> > links to the formal Sponsorship and Donations/Contributing web pages at the
>> > ASF level.
>> >
>> > [1] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
>> >
>> > Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> 于2019年7月3日周三 下午10:05写道：
>> >
>> >> Justin Mclean wrote on 2019-7-3 4:47AM EDT:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
>> >> >
>> >> > Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK
>> >> as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or
>> >> thanks page. [2]
>> >>
>> >> Apache Brand Management has a specific page for how projects should
>> >> include these kinds of corporate links, which should be easy to follow:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>> >>
>> >> >> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
>> >> >
>> >> > IMO Yes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Justin
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
>> >> > 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> - Shane
>> >> Legal Affairs Committee
>> >> The Apache Software Foundation
>> >>
>> >
>
>
>
>--
>Best Regards！
>Huxing
Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by Huxing Zhang <hu...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:29 PM yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone.
>
> It seems that we have no other opinions on the license of Jprofile.
>
> I will start the two things above.
>
> In addition, after communicating with Jprofile, they will provide a license
> for all Committer to use.
>
> Regarding the maintenance of this license, I think it should not appear in
> any public place, it should be maintained by PMCs, and any Committer that
> needs to use it needs to apply on the dev list. This is a security measure
> used to ensure that this license is not overused.
>
> What do you think?
Any ASF project has a private svn to store private information, such
as password, private keys, and etc.
I think we can store it there, and send the notice to committers and
document on the new committer guide.
If they are willing to use it, they are ask on the PMC member list.
>
> yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com> 于2019年7月4日周四 上午10:24写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I took a look at this guide. It seems that we need to do a few things:
> >
> > 1. Agree with the PMCs to confirm that we are using Jprofile and agree to
> > add the official link to Jprofile.
> > 2. Add a thanks page to the current official website[1]. I personally
> > think that we should also thank Intellij Idea for supporting the project.
> >
> > By the way, after we have done the above, how do we go through the last
> > step mentioned in the guide?
> >
> > > Project Thanks Pages should include a closing overview paragraph that
> > links to the formal Sponsorship and Donations/Contributing web pages at the
> > ASF level.
> >
> > [1] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> >
> > Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> 于2019年7月3日周三 下午10:05写道：
> >
> >> Justin Mclean wrote on 2019-7-3 4:47AM EDT:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> >> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
> >> >
> >> > Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK
> >> as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or
> >> thanks page. [2]
> >>
> >> Apache Brand Management has a specific page for how projects should
> >> include these kinds of corporate links, which should be easy to follow:
> >>
> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> >>
> >> >> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
> >> >
> >> > IMO Yes.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Justin
> >> >
> >> > 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
> >> > 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> - Shane
> >> Legal Affairs Committee
> >> The Apache Software Foundation
> >>
> >
--
Best Regards！
Huxing
Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com>.
Hi, everyone.
It seems that we have no other opinions on the license of Jprofile.
I will start the two things above.
In addition, after communicating with Jprofile, they will provide a license
for all Committer to use.
Regarding the maintenance of this license, I think it should not appear in
any public place, it should be maintained by PMCs, and any Committer that
needs to use it needs to apply on the dev list. This is a security measure
used to ensure that this license is not overused.
What do you think?
yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com> 于2019年7月4日周四 上午10:24写道：
> Hi,
>
> I took a look at this guide. It seems that we need to do a few things:
>
> 1. Agree with the PMCs to confirm that we are using Jprofile and agree to
> add the official link to Jprofile.
> 2. Add a thanks page to the current official website[1]. I personally
> think that we should also thank Intellij Idea for supporting the project.
>
> By the way, after we have done the above, how do we go through the last
> step mentioned in the guide?
>
> > Project Thanks Pages should include a closing overview paragraph that
> links to the formal Sponsorship and Donations/Contributing web pages at the
> ASF level.
>
> [1] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
>
> Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> 于2019年7月3日周三 下午10:05写道：
>
>> Justin Mclean wrote on 2019-7-3 4:47AM EDT:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> >> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
>> >
>> > Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK
>> as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or
>> thanks page. [2]
>>
>> Apache Brand Management has a specific page for how projects should
>> include these kinds of corporate links, which should be easy to follow:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>>
>> >> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
>> >
>> > IMO Yes.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> >
>> > 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
>> > 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
>>
>> --
>>
>> - Shane
>> Legal Affairs Committee
>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>
Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by yuhang xiu <ca...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I took a look at this guide. It seems that we need to do a few things:
1. Agree with the PMCs to confirm that we are using Jprofile and agree to
add the official link to Jprofile.
2. Add a thanks page to the current official website[1]. I personally think
that we should also thank Intellij Idea for supporting the project.
By the way, after we have done the above, how do we go through the last
step mentioned in the guide?
> Project Thanks Pages should include a closing overview paragraph that
links to the formal Sponsorship and Donations/Contributing web pages at the
ASF level.
[1] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> 于2019年7月3日周三 下午10:05写道：
> Justin Mclean wrote on 2019-7-3 4:47AM EDT:
> > Hi,
> >
> >> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
> >
> > Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK
> as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or
> thanks page. [2]
>
> Apache Brand Management has a specific page for how projects should
> include these kinds of corporate links, which should be easy to follow:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>
> >> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
> >
> > IMO Yes.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
> > 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
>
> --
>
> - Shane
> Legal Affairs Committee
> The Apache Software Foundation
>
Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Justin Mclean wrote on 2019-7-3 4:47AM EDT:
> Hi,
>
>> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
>
> Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or thanks page. [2]
Apache Brand Management has a specific page for how projects should
include these kinds of corporate links, which should be easy to follow:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
>
> IMO Yes.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
--
- Shane
Legal Affairs Committee
The Apache Software Foundation
Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Justin Mclean wrote on 2019-7-3 4:47AM EDT:
> Hi,
>
>> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
>
> Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or thanks page. [2]
Apache Brand Management has a specific page for how projects should
include these kinds of corporate links, which should be easy to follow:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
>
> IMO Yes.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
--
- Shane
Legal Affairs Committee
The Apache Software Foundation
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Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
This has come up before and has never been a problem. YourKit has provided a free open source license - https://www.yourkit.com/purchase/ <https://www.yourkit.com/purchase/> - with the same request. For quite a while I used one of those for Log4j although I pay for a license now.
Ralph
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 1:47 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
>
> Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or thanks page. [2]
>
>> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
>
> IMO Yes.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
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Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
This has come up before and has never been a problem. YourKit has provided a free open source license - https://www.yourkit.com/purchase/ <https://www.yourkit.com/purchase/> - with the same request. For quite a while I used one of those for Log4j although I pay for a license now.
Ralph
> On Jul 3, 2019, at 1:47 AM, Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
>
> Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or thanks page. [2]
>
>> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
>
> IMO Yes.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
> 2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
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Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com>.
Hi,
> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or thanks page. [2]
> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
IMO Yes.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
Re: About jprofile license for opensource project
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com>.
Hi,
> I think it will be good to have free jprofile license for open source.
Looking here [1] they require a link on the web site. That should be OK as long as it not seen as an endorsement and that link goes on a support or thanks page. [2]
> It sounds more like a legal question, are we able to do it?
IMO Yes.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.ej-technologies.com/buy/jprofiler/openSource/enter
2. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#independent
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