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Posted to user@lenya.apache.org by Clandes Tino <cl...@yahoo.co.uk> on 2005/07/15 19:47:55 UTC
A Help needed: Is Lenya for my project?
Hi Lenya - people!
I am Milan and I am for years in J2EE fields, but with
no experience in CMS and especially not in Cocoon:)
I am assigned to lead a project for Document drafting,
amendment and publishing, something similar can be
found at: http://www.pleasereview.com
So, first before I get deep down to Lenya and Cocoon I
would like to ask if it can be upgraded without huge
effort to satisfy these needs:
- store users (authors and reviewers) along with their
organisations in RDBMS
- authors upload XML content with specified XML schema
- author creates workflow process and assignes tasks
to specefied reviewers
- system validates content against schema and aganst
some supplied schematron business rules.
- reviewer can comment a specified editable unit in
this kind of document (e.g amandment in some
legislation) with WYSIWYG editor. These comments are
stored in DB in threaded manner (comment on comment)
- Retrieve particular specified editable units for
this document type in some naviagtion bar
- when all reviewers specified in workflow finish
their reviewing, author accepts a comment and this is
inserted in WYSIWYG editor in specified section (e.g
amandment)
- document is published in PDF
- Live documents has to be searched in structured,
full text manner, e.g give me all amandments in
legislations which have term "Germany".
I used Lucene a lot so far, but always for
unstructured full text search scenarios.
So this is simplified scenario and these questions can
be extracted from it:
- how complicated is to add new servlets and
interaction with DB tables for users, organizations,
comments
- If Lenya search meschanism cannot be applied to some
structured content, how complicated is to implemt
Xindice API and use its search capabilities.
- Is there a user friendly way to specify workflow
process (I used in my career jawe XPDL editor)
I know that this is a lot of questions, but I think a
lot of people could have the similar among them, so
any help would be more than welcome.
Thank you in advance
Milan
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Re: A Help needed: Is Lenya for my project?
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Clandes Tino wrote:
>Hello,
>first thank you for the quick response.
>I would like to ask you some questions more and thank
>you in advance for the answers:
>
>
>
>>"authors" (login info) are being saved within LDAP
>>or filesystem, but
>>one could customize Lenya such that they are being
>>saved within a RDBMS
>>
>>
>Q1: Is there any alive source code or documentation,
>doing/showing that?
>
>
The publication of the University of Zurich is using LDAP, which
can be found at
http://www.wyona.org
>
>
>>would need some customization for validation against
>>schematron business rules
>>
>>
>Q2: any hint what particular lenya module to look at?
>
>
in the case of 1.2.X it might be similar to
org/apache/lenya/cms/cocoon/acting/HTMLFormSaveAction.java
where Schema (Relax NG) is being done
>
>
>>Retrieve particular specified editable units for
>>this document type in some naviagtion bar should be
>>possiblem, but what do you mean by "some navigation
>>bar"?
>>
>>
>Q3: I mean left frame with tree like structure od
>particular document type, e.g
>legislation/act/amendment/section/paragraph
>
>
you mean that only the content of this XPath can be edited?
If so, yes
>
>
>
>>The functionality: when all reviewers specified in
>>workflow finish their reviewing, author accepts a
>>comment and this is inserted in WYSIWYG editor in
>>specified section (e.g amandment)
>>needs customization
>>
>>
>Q4: I have a question for any of suplied WYSIWYG
>editors. Can they be configured to perform supplied
>XML Schema and Business rules validation in place. For
>example to alert when something invalid is submited.
>
>
>
that depends on the editor, for instance BXE and the Form editor
do schema validation and don't allow "illegal" input
>
>
>>Live documents has to be searched in structured,
>>full text manner, e.g give me all amandments in
>>legislations which have term "Germany".
>>I used Lucene a lot so far, but always for
>>unstructured full text search scenarios.
>>
>>
>Q5: How Lenya can perform structured search described
>above?
>
>
Lenya provides a class mapping XML onto a LuceneDocument.
As an example
src/webapp/lenya/pubs/default/config/search/lenyadocs.xconf
>
>
>>Xindice API implementation in Lenya is possible and
>>has already been done
>>
>>
>Q6: is there any source code available where I can see
>that or maybe some documentation?
>
>
we did this for a customer of ours and cannot release it because
of our customer, but it's really not very difficult. You might want
to take a look at the Java interface of Xindice.
HTH
Michi
>Thank you a lot again!
>Best regards
>Milan
>
>
>
>
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Re: A Help needed: Is Lenya for my project?
Posted by Clandes Tino <cl...@yahoo.co.uk>.
Hello,
first thank you for the quick response.
I would like to ask you some questions more and thank
you in advance for the answers:
> "authors" (login info) are being saved within LDAP
> or filesystem, but
> one could customize Lenya such that they are being
> saved within a RDBMS
Q1: Is there any alive source code or documentation,
doing/showing that?
> would need some customization for validation against
> schematron business rules
Q2: any hint what particular lenya module to look at?
> Retrieve particular specified editable units for
> this document type in some naviagtion bar should be
> possiblem, but what do you mean by "some navigation
> bar"?
Q3: I mean left frame with tree like structure od
particular document type, e.g
legislation/act/amendment/section/paragraph
> The functionality: when all reviewers specified in
> workflow finish their reviewing, author accepts a
> comment and this is inserted in WYSIWYG editor in
> specified section (e.g amandment)
> needs customization
Q4: I have a question for any of suplied WYSIWYG
editors. Can they be configured to perform supplied
XML Schema and Business rules validation in place. For
example to alert when something invalid is submited.
> Live documents has to be searched in structured,
> full text manner, e.g give me all amandments in
> legislations which have term "Germany".
> I used Lucene a lot so far, but always for
> unstructured full text search scenarios.
Q5: How Lenya can perform structured search described
above?
> Xindice API implementation in Lenya is possible and
> has already been done
Q6: is there any source code available where I can see
that or maybe some documentation?
Thank you a lot again!
Best regards
Milan
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Re: A Help needed: Is Lenya for my project?
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.com>.
Clandes Tino wrote:
>Hi Lenya - people!
>I am Milan and I am for years in J2EE fields, but with
>no experience in CMS and especially not in Cocoon:)
>I am assigned to lead a project for Document drafting,
>amendment and publishing, something similar can be
>found at: http://www.pleasereview.com
>So, first before I get deep down to Lenya and Cocoon I
>would like to ask if it can be upgraded without huge
>effort to satisfy these needs:
>- store users (authors and reviewers) along with their
>organisations in RDBMS
>
>
"authors" (login info) are being saved within LDAP or filesystem, but
one could customize Lenya such that they are being saved within a RDBMS
>- authors upload XML content with specified XML schema
>
>
yes
>- author creates workflow process and assignes tasks
>to specefied reviewers
>
>
arbitrary workflows can be defined/configured (finite state engine),
but there is no GUI to define a workflows
>- system validates content against schema
>
yes
>and aganst
>some supplied schematron business rules.
>
>
would need some customization
>- reviewer can comment a specified editable unit in
>this kind of document (e.g amandment in some
>legislation) with WYSIWYG editor. These comments are
>stored in DB in threaded manner (comment on comment)
>
>
needs customization of the specific document type, whereas
for instance DocBook has something like that already
>- Retrieve particular specified editable units for
>this document type in some naviagtion bar
>
>
should be possiblem, but what do you mean by "some navigation bar"?
>- when all reviewers specified in workflow finish
>their reviewing, author accepts a comment and this is
>inserted in WYSIWYG editor in specified section (e.g
>amandment)
>
>
customization
>- document is published in PDF
>
>
yes, but depends on doctype
>- Live documents has to be searched in structured,
>full text manner, e.g give me all amandments in
>legislations which have term "Germany".
>I used Lucene a lot so far, but always for
>unstructured full text search scenarios.
>So this is simplified scenario and these questions can
>be extracted from it:
>- how complicated is to add new servlets and
>interaction with DB tables for users, organizations,
>comments
>
>
not sure what you mean
>- If Lenya search meschanism cannot be applied to some
>structured content, how complicated is to implemt
>Xindice API and use its search capabilities.
>
>
possible (has been done)
>- Is there a user friendly way to specify workflow
>process (I used in my career jawe XPDL editor)
>
>
not yet (see above), but shouldn't be too hard to develop an UI for this
>I know that this is a lot of questions, but I think a
>lot of people could have the similar among them, so
>any help would be more than welcome.
>
>
yes, I think the usecase of Document Management asks for these features.
HTH
Michi
>Thank you in advance
>Milan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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