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Posted to l10n@openoffice.apache.org by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> on 2012/07/06 20:45:38 UTC
How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
First, welcome to the new L10n list.
Since we're just finishing up the 3.4.1 release, and the translations
are nearly frozen, I don't expect any urgent activity on this list.
But I would like to think ahead to the next release, and how we might
attract more volunteers and increase the number of available
translations.
I'm hoping to kick things off with a blog post. I think that will
lead to a good number of interested volunteers. But unless we have a
good set of defined procedures for them to follow, it is hard for new
volunteers to work with the project. Creating this list was part of
the solution -- a quieter place for us to discuss translations.
Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
volunteers to. I created a draft here:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
Is there anything else we should be doing?
Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
publicity opportunities at that point.
-Rob
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/7/7 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> I suggested two ways:
>
> 1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
It's best. Because the volunteer who want to translation easy, fast and better.
> 2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
I and Claudio working off-line with a translation in lokalize [1].
> Another option might be:
>
> 3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
No!
1 - http://www.escritoriolivre.org/w/index.php?title=Projetos/Aoo
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Dick Groskamp <th...@quicknet.nl>.
Op 7-7-2012 19:53, Dave Fisher schreef:
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Dick Groskamp wrote:
>
>> Op 7-7-2012 18:19, Rob Weir schreef:
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> 2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>>>> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
>>>>> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
>>>> Very good!
>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
>>>>> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
>>>>> publicity opportunities at that point.
>>>> Yes, we are need volunteers.
>>>>
>>>> In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
>>>> It is possible to do the translation via the web.
>>>>
>>> The way Pootle is configured at Apache there is not a new user
>>> registration. It uses the the existing Apache LDAP and existing
>>> Apache logins. This means that only Committers can log in to Pootle.
>>>
>>> Given this limitation, and little hope that it will go away, we need
>>> to figure out how new localization volunteers can help with the
>>> project. In the "How to help" draft I posted, I suggested two ways:
>>>
>>> 1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
>>>
>>> 2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
>>>
>>> Another option might be:
>>>
>>> 3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>> +1 for option 3. My ICLA is already at Apache.
>> I've been working on the OOo POOTLE for at least the last years.
>> However it seems *not done* to nominate one self as a committer I think I have to take this opprtunity to at least let you know I'm there.
>> I won't be commtting any code to the project since that is absolutely not my 'forte' or area of expertise :-)
>> I just need acces to POOTLE to be able to translate UI and Help to Dutch.
>> I was working on updating the earlier existing translations as the plug was pulled, so I would really like to continue
> Dick are you interested in a po file?
Not really, that's just the reason we went to POOTLE on OOo, to work
directly on the files and more in particular the untranslated segments
> Currently Jürgen has been providing po files to people interested in translation and then handling the import into Pootle - option (2). Every so often he has been discussing these individual's contributions on ooo-private and we have voted in a number of people using a slower version of option (3). It took some effort and adjustments to come to this arrangement.
I know, I have deliverd some files to Juergen (Bugzilla 119200) and also made some suggestions on POOTLE itself.
--
DiGro
Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3
Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure)
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 7, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Dick Groskamp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Op 7-7-2012 18:19, Rob Weir schreef:
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
>>>>>>> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
>>>>>> Very good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
>>>>>>> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
>>>>>>> publicity opportunities at that point.
>>>>>> Yes, we are need volunteers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
>>>>>> It is possible to do the translation via the web.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The way Pootle is configured at Apache there is not a new user
>>>>> registration. It uses the the existing Apache LDAP and existing
>>>>> Apache logins. This means that only Committers can log in to Pootle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given this limitation, and little hope that it will go away, we need
>>>>> to figure out how new localization volunteers can help with the
>>>>> project. In the "How to help" draft I posted, I suggested two ways:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another option might be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>> +1 for option 3. My ICLA is already at Apache.
>>>> I've been working on the OOo POOTLE for at least the last years.
>>>> However it seems *not done* to nominate one self as a committer I think I have to take this opprtunity to at least let you know I'm there.
>>>> I won't be commtting any code to the project since that is absolutely not my 'forte' or area of expertise :-)
>>>> I just need acces to POOTLE to be able to translate UI and Help to Dutch.
>>>> I was working on updating the earlier existing translations as the plug was pulled, so I would really like to continue
>>>
>>> Dick are you interested in a po file?
>>>
>>> Currently Jürgen has been providing po files to people interested in translation and then handling the import into Pootle - option (2). Every so often he has been discussing these individual's contributions on ooo-private and we have voted in a number of people using a slower version of option (3). It took some effort and adjustments to come to this arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> Option #2 is broken due to: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4917
>>
>
> Sorry, that should say that option #1 is currently broken.
Jürgen handling import / export of po files (2) and slow (3) works. We've added several committers that way.
Until someone engages Gavin on the JIRA issue (1) won't be fixed, but that is broken even so because it is anonymous with no way to access merit for those contributors. Of course, we'll accept suggestions from Anonymous, but that won't build the L10n community.
Regards,
Dave
>
> -Rob
>
>> That's why the "how to translate" draft talks about off-lime translations.
>>
>>> Sorry, I don't see the full (3) as practical. The PPMC needs to see some merit within the project before granting an Apache ID and karma. Any discussion on the mechanics of VOTEs in the project are best discussed on ooo-dev.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> DiGro
>>>>
>>>> Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3
>>>> Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure)
>>>>
>>>
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Dick Groskamp wrote:
>>
>>> Op 7-7-2012 18:19, Rob Weir schreef:
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>>>>> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
>>>>>> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
>>>>> Very good!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
>>>>>> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
>>>>>> publicity opportunities at that point.
>>>>> Yes, we are need volunteers.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
>>>>> It is possible to do the translation via the web.
>>>>>
>>>> The way Pootle is configured at Apache there is not a new user
>>>> registration. It uses the the existing Apache LDAP and existing
>>>> Apache logins. This means that only Committers can log in to Pootle.
>>>>
>>>> Given this limitation, and little hope that it will go away, we need
>>>> to figure out how new localization volunteers can help with the
>>>> project. In the "How to help" draft I posted, I suggested two ways:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
>>>>
>>>> 2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
>>>>
>>>> Another option might be:
>>>>
>>>> 3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>> +1 for option 3. My ICLA is already at Apache.
>>> I've been working on the OOo POOTLE for at least the last years.
>>> However it seems *not done* to nominate one self as a committer I think I have to take this opprtunity to at least let you know I'm there.
>>> I won't be commtting any code to the project since that is absolutely not my 'forte' or area of expertise :-)
>>> I just need acces to POOTLE to be able to translate UI and Help to Dutch.
>>> I was working on updating the earlier existing translations as the plug was pulled, so I would really like to continue
>>
>> Dick are you interested in a po file?
>>
>> Currently Jürgen has been providing po files to people interested in translation and then handling the import into Pootle - option (2). Every so often he has been discussing these individual's contributions on ooo-private and we have voted in a number of people using a slower version of option (3). It took some effort and adjustments to come to this arrangement.
>>
>
> Option #2 is broken due to: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4917
>
Sorry, that should say that option #1 is currently broken.
-Rob
> That's why the "how to translate" draft talks about off-lime translations.
>
>> Sorry, I don't see the full (3) as practical. The PPMC needs to see some merit within the project before granting an Apache ID and karma. Any discussion on the mechanics of VOTEs in the project are best discussed on ooo-dev.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> DiGro
>>>
>>> Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3
>>> Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure)
>>>
>>
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Dick Groskamp wrote:
>
>> Op 7-7-2012 18:19, Rob Weir schreef:
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> 2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>>>> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
>>>>> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
>>>> Very good!
>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
>>>>> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
>>>>> publicity opportunities at that point.
>>>> Yes, we are need volunteers.
>>>>
>>>> In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
>>>> It is possible to do the translation via the web.
>>>>
>>> The way Pootle is configured at Apache there is not a new user
>>> registration. It uses the the existing Apache LDAP and existing
>>> Apache logins. This means that only Committers can log in to Pootle.
>>>
>>> Given this limitation, and little hope that it will go away, we need
>>> to figure out how new localization volunteers can help with the
>>> project. In the "How to help" draft I posted, I suggested two ways:
>>>
>>> 1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
>>>
>>> 2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
>>>
>>> Another option might be:
>>>
>>> 3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>> +1 for option 3. My ICLA is already at Apache.
>> I've been working on the OOo POOTLE for at least the last years.
>> However it seems *not done* to nominate one self as a committer I think I have to take this opprtunity to at least let you know I'm there.
>> I won't be commtting any code to the project since that is absolutely not my 'forte' or area of expertise :-)
>> I just need acces to POOTLE to be able to translate UI and Help to Dutch.
>> I was working on updating the earlier existing translations as the plug was pulled, so I would really like to continue
>
> Dick are you interested in a po file?
>
> Currently Jürgen has been providing po files to people interested in translation and then handling the import into Pootle - option (2). Every so often he has been discussing these individual's contributions on ooo-private and we have voted in a number of people using a slower version of option (3). It took some effort and adjustments to come to this arrangement.
>
Option #2 is broken due to: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4917
That's why the "how to translate" draft talks about off-lime translations.
> Sorry, I don't see the full (3) as practical. The PPMC needs to see some merit within the project before granting an Apache ID and karma. Any discussion on the mechanics of VOTEs in the project are best discussed on ooo-dev.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>>
>> --
>> DiGro
>>
>> Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3
>> Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure)
>>
>
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:07 AM, Dick Groskamp wrote:
> Op 7-7-2012 18:19, Rob Weir schreef:
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> 2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>>> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
>>>> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
>>> Very good!
>>>
>>>> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>>>>
>>>> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
>>>> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
>>>> publicity opportunities at that point.
>>> Yes, we are need volunteers.
>>>
>>> In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
>>> It is possible to do the translation via the web.
>>>
>> The way Pootle is configured at Apache there is not a new user
>> registration. It uses the the existing Apache LDAP and existing
>> Apache logins. This means that only Committers can log in to Pootle.
>>
>> Given this limitation, and little hope that it will go away, we need
>> to figure out how new localization volunteers can help with the
>> project. In the "How to help" draft I posted, I suggested two ways:
>>
>> 1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
>>
>> 2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
>>
>> Another option might be:
>>
>> 3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
>>
>> -Rob
> +1 for option 3. My ICLA is already at Apache.
> I've been working on the OOo POOTLE for at least the last years.
> However it seems *not done* to nominate one self as a committer I think I have to take this opprtunity to at least let you know I'm there.
> I won't be commtting any code to the project since that is absolutely not my 'forte' or area of expertise :-)
> I just need acces to POOTLE to be able to translate UI and Help to Dutch.
> I was working on updating the earlier existing translations as the plug was pulled, so I would really like to continue
Dick are you interested in a po file?
Currently Jürgen has been providing po files to people interested in translation and then handling the import into Pootle - option (2). Every so often he has been discussing these individual's contributions on ooo-private and we have voted in a number of people using a slower version of option (3). It took some effort and adjustments to come to this arrangement.
Sorry, I don't see the full (3) as practical. The PPMC needs to see some merit within the project before granting an Apache ID and karma. Any discussion on the mechanics of VOTEs in the project are best discussed on ooo-dev.
Regards,
Dave
>
> --
> DiGro
>
> Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3
> Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure)
>
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Dick Groskamp <th...@quicknet.nl>.
Op 7-7-2012 18:19, Rob Weir schreef:
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> 2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>>> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
>>> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
>> Very good!
>>
>>> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>>>
>>> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
>>> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
>>> publicity opportunities at that point.
>> Yes, we are need volunteers.
>>
>> In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
>> It is possible to do the translation via the web.
>>
> The way Pootle is configured at Apache there is not a new user
> registration. It uses the the existing Apache LDAP and existing
> Apache logins. This means that only Committers can log in to Pootle.
>
> Given this limitation, and little hope that it will go away, we need
> to figure out how new localization volunteers can help with the
> project. In the "How to help" draft I posted, I suggested two ways:
>
> 1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
>
> 2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
>
> Another option might be:
>
> 3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
>
> -Rob
+1 for option 3. My ICLA is already at Apache.
I've been working on the OOo POOTLE for at least the last years.
However it seems *not done* to nominate one self as a committer I
think I have to take this opprtunity to at least let you know I'm there.
I won't be commtting any code to the project since that is
absolutely not my 'forte' or area of expertise :-)
I just need acces to POOTLE to be able to translate UI and Help to
Dutch.
I was working on updating the earlier existing translations as the
plug was pulled, so I would really like to continue
--
DiGro
Windows 7 and OpenOffice.org 3.3
Scanned with Ziggo uitgebreide Internetbeveiliging (F-Secure)
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> 2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
>> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
>> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
>
> Very good!
>
>> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>>
>> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
>> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
>> publicity opportunities at that point.
>
> Yes, we are need volunteers.
>
> In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
> It is possible to do the translation via the web.
>
The way Pootle is configured at Apache there is not a new user
registration. It uses the the existing Apache LDAP and existing
Apache logins. This means that only Committers can log in to Pootle.
Given this limitation, and little hope that it will go away, we need
to figure out how new localization volunteers can help with the
project. In the "How to help" draft I posted, I suggested two ways:
1) Entering suggestions in Pootle
2) Working off-line with a translation client instead of Pootle.
Another option might be:
3) We quickly vote in as committers any new volunteer so they can access Pootle.
-Rob
> Albino
Re: How to Help Translate Apache OpenOffice
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@gmail.com>.
Hi.
2012/7/6 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> Another part is to have a good introductory page that we can point new
> volunteers to. I created a draft here:
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/translate.html
Very good!
> Is there anything else we should be doing?
>
> Ideally, we could have a public "call for translation volunteers" at
> the end of July, when 3.4.1 is released. We'll have some good
> publicity opportunities at that point.
Yes, we are need volunteers.
In Pootle is a user wants contribute, as will register there?
It is possible to do the translation via the web.
Albino