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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by "Malte S. Stretz" <ms...@gmx.net> on 2004/01/29 01:45:19 UTC
Re: moving sa-talk to apache?
On Thursday 29 January 2004 01:28 CET Justin Mason wrote:
> given the *massive* numbers of issues with this list in its current
> home, I suggest we may be better off moving it to Apache.org sooner
> rather than later.
>
> Currently, our status in Apache is that we are in the Incubator there,
> which means that the list has an @incubator.apache.org suffix, which
> would change to @apache.org later on graduation.
A later move out of the Incubator would be a non-issue if
(a) the incubator ezmlm would set the List-Id (currently none at all) or
Mailing-List header to the "final" id from the get-go.
(b) the incubator posting address stayed alive (as an alias) even after
we're out of the Incubator.
I CC'd the Incubator ML as this is probably a global issue.
> We had been putting this off to avoid this inconvenience -- but
> given the slowness and general trouble with the sf.net list, I
> think it may be worthwhile sooner rather than later.
>
> It would require that subscribers to sa-talk resubscribe at the new
> address, FWIW.
I think (especially with the current SF.net trouble) that would be no
problem for the users if they'd do it once. But doing this twice might
annoy the people (judging from some mailinglist movements I've seen
recently).
Cheers,
Malte
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Re: moving sa-talk to apache?
Posted by "Malte S. Stretz" <ms...@gmx.net>.
On Thursday 29 January 2004 02:02 CET Sander Striker wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 01:45, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 January 2004 01:28 CET Justin Mason wrote:
> > > Currently, our status in Apache is that we are in the Incubator
> > > there, which means that the list has an @incubator.apache.org suffix,
> > > which would change to @apache.org later on graduation.
> >
> > A later move out of the Incubator would be a non-issue if
> > (a) the incubator ezmlm would set the List-Id (currently none at all)
> > or Mailing-List header to the "final" id from the get-go.
>
> This could probably be arranged. We'd have to check.
Cool :)
> They wouldn't have to resubscribe for the second move. And if we can
> do the List-Id thing they prolly don't have to change any rules either.
That would be perfect and is in my eyes the only thing which delays the
move :) Because subscriber of a high-traffic list like sa-talk can get very
pissed when their filters suddenly don't work anymore and their inbox is
flooded with list traffic (I once had the responsibility for doing this on
a low-traffic list and even that wasn't fun).
Cheers,
Malte
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Re: moving sa-talk to apache?
Posted by "Malte S. Stretz" <ms...@gmx.net>.
On Thursday 29 January 2004 02:02 CET Sander Striker wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 01:45, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
> > On Thursday 29 January 2004 01:28 CET Justin Mason wrote:
> > > Currently, our status in Apache is that we are in the Incubator
> > > there, which means that the list has an @incubator.apache.org suffix,
> > > which would change to @apache.org later on graduation.
> >
> > A later move out of the Incubator would be a non-issue if
> > (a) the incubator ezmlm would set the List-Id (currently none at all)
> > or Mailing-List header to the "final" id from the get-go.
>
> This could probably be arranged. We'd have to check.
Cool :)
> They wouldn't have to resubscribe for the second move. And if we can
> do the List-Id thing they prolly don't have to change any rules either.
That would be perfect and is in my eyes the only thing which delays the
move :) Because subscriber of a high-traffic list like sa-talk can get very
pissed when their filters suddenly don't work anymore and their inbox is
flooded with list traffic (I once had the responsibility for doing this on
a low-traffic list and even that wasn't fun).
Cheers,
Malte
--
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<http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html>
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Re: moving sa-talk to apache?
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 01:45, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
> On Thursday 29 January 2004 01:28 CET Justin Mason wrote:
> > given the *massive* numbers of issues with this list in its current
> > home, I suggest we may be better off moving it to Apache.org sooner
> > rather than later.
> >
> > Currently, our status in Apache is that we are in the Incubator there,
> > which means that the list has an @incubator.apache.org suffix, which
> > would change to @apache.org later on graduation.
>
> A later move out of the Incubator would be a non-issue if
> (a) the incubator ezmlm would set the List-Id (currently none at all) or
> Mailing-List header to the "final" id from the get-go.
This could probably be arranged. We'd have to check.
> (b) the incubator posting address stayed alive (as an alias) even after
> we're out of the Incubator.
This is not a problem.
> I CC'd the Incubator ML as this is probably a global issue.
>
> > We had been putting this off to avoid this inconvenience -- but
> > given the slowness and general trouble with the sf.net list, I
> > think it may be worthwhile sooner rather than later.
> >
> > It would require that subscribers to sa-talk resubscribe at the new
> > address, FWIW.
>
> I think (especially with the current SF.net trouble) that would be no
> problem for the users if they'd do it once. But doing this twice might
> annoy the people (judging from some mailinglist movements I've seen
> recently).
They wouldn't have to resubscribe for the second move. And if we can
do the List-Id thing they prolly don't have to change any rules either.
Sander
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Re: moving sa-talk to apache?
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 01:45, Malte S. Stretz wrote:
> On Thursday 29 January 2004 01:28 CET Justin Mason wrote:
> > given the *massive* numbers of issues with this list in its current
> > home, I suggest we may be better off moving it to Apache.org sooner
> > rather than later.
> >
> > Currently, our status in Apache is that we are in the Incubator there,
> > which means that the list has an @incubator.apache.org suffix, which
> > would change to @apache.org later on graduation.
>
> A later move out of the Incubator would be a non-issue if
> (a) the incubator ezmlm would set the List-Id (currently none at all) or
> Mailing-List header to the "final" id from the get-go.
This could probably be arranged. We'd have to check.
> (b) the incubator posting address stayed alive (as an alias) even after
> we're out of the Incubator.
This is not a problem.
> I CC'd the Incubator ML as this is probably a global issue.
>
> > We had been putting this off to avoid this inconvenience -- but
> > given the slowness and general trouble with the sf.net list, I
> > think it may be worthwhile sooner rather than later.
> >
> > It would require that subscribers to sa-talk resubscribe at the new
> > address, FWIW.
>
> I think (especially with the current SF.net trouble) that would be no
> problem for the users if they'd do it once. But doing this twice might
> annoy the people (judging from some mailinglist movements I've seen
> recently).
They wouldn't have to resubscribe for the second move. And if we can
do the List-Id thing they prolly don't have to change any rules either.
Sander