Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>]

I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
this week.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> holidays at this moment.
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok,
>>
>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
>>
>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
>> The
>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
>> of
>> their appearance on the thread):
>>
>>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
>>   Vladimir Ozerov
>>   Konstantin Boudnik
>>   Valentin Kulichenko
>>   Denis Magda
>>   Branko Čibej
>>
>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
>> First-past-the-post
>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
>>
>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
>>
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Cos
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
>> > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
>> Denis
>> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
>> not only
>> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
>> including
>> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
>> >
>> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
>> somewhat
>> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
>> > a little bit.
>> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
>> Ignite) member
>> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
>> ASF
>> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly contribute
>> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
>> days
>> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
>> development
>> > front.
>> >
>> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
>> of project
>> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation. While
>> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
>> Monocultures
>> > are really nasty for open source communities.
>> >
>> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
>> > improved much
>> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
>> > to a larger
>> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
>> in order
>> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
>> > positive trajectory
>> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
>> since.
>> >
>> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
>> > offer: a renewed
>> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
>> premise than
>> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
>> constantly
>> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
>> would
>> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
>> > probably the
>> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
>> >
>> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
>> > that. But lets
>> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
>> > have any special
>> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
>> to do
>> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help quite
>> a bit.
>> >
>> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
>> > commit to 6 more
>> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community development
>> -- they
>> > would have my wholehearted support.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
>>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>]

Alexey, it's not a vote. Yes, it is a discussion, something in a free form.
You can suggest anyone from PMC who can serve this role, you can share any
of your thoughts.

I'm not aware of why to change Denis. I personally prefer to keep it as is,
since Denis Magda has proven he is open-minded and understands Apache Way.
But if we talk about rotation, I would like to add my 50 cents

- Being a Chair doesn't mean he or she will lead the technical side of the
project. This is not about any additional power in the decision making
process.
- But from the point of view of influence to newcomers, formal role, let's
be honest, will help. Let's imagine, you are a speaker at the conference,
VP of Apace Ignite sounds like something big.
- My concern still is how we are doing on community development.  It would
be fair to say that the Ignite community hasn't really improved much
diversity-wise.
- The ideal candidate will constantly remind us about we're the community
independent from commercial interests, and find and implement new ways of
growing this community.

So from point of view of com.dev, evangelism Nikolay Izikov is the best
candidate (from proposed).



чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:18, Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>:

> Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?
>
> Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
>
> Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than 1
> candidate?
>
> Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
>
> Thanks
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
>
> > Hi Igniters,
> >
> > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> projects
> > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> >
> > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC
> > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> outside
> > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > solution.
> >
> > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> Alexey
> > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it
> > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > >
> > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > --
> > > Nikita Ivanov
> > >
> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> > like
> > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> this
> > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> already
> > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> > fresh
> > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > considered
> > > > before.
> > > >
> > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> a
> > > vote
> > > >> this week.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> and
> > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> cos@apache.org
> > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Ok,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > > [VOTE].
> > > >>>> The
> > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> > > order
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> candidate
> > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>  Cos
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > propose
> > > >>>> Denis
> > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> does
> > > >>>> not only
> > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > > >>>> including
> > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > > >>>> somewhat
> > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > discussion
> > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> with
> > > my
> > > >>>> ASF
> > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > >> contribute
> > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > incubation
> > > >>>> days
> > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > >>>> development
> > > >>>>> front.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than
> > 80%
> > > >>>> of project
> > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > > >> While
> > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > >>>>> improved much
> > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> this
> > > is,
> > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood
> > that
> > > >>>> in order
> > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on
> > it
> > > >>>> since.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> > > could
> > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > > >>>> premise than
> > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> to
> > > >>>> constantly
> > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > community
> > > >>>> would
> > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love"
> > was
> > > >>>>> probably the
> > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to
> > do
> > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > really
> > > >>>>> have any special
> > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that
> > > has
> > > >>>> to do
> > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > > >> quite
> > > >>>> a bit.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like
> > to
> > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > >> development
> > > >>>> -- they
> > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -
> > > > Denis
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>]

Anyone can vote to express an opinion, however, the binding votes of PMC
members will be counted towards the election.

-
Denis


On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM Petr Ivanov <mr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone can vote or only other PMCs?
>
>
> > On 28 Oct 2019, at 20:58, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ignites, overall, here is a list of candidates who confirmed their
> > participation in the vote. The others are either rejected or not
> responded
> > publicly/privately.
> >
> >   - Alexey Goncharuk
> >   - Dmitry Pavlov
> >   - Nikolay Izhikov
> >   - Pavel Tupitsyn
> >
> > As proposed in this discussion, let's bring up the PMC rotation topic
> once
> > a year to see if the community is willing to give another candidate to
> take
> > the role. But the rotation shouldn't be obligatory if a current PMC is
> > ready to carry on and the community doesn't see a need for the rotation.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 2:22 AM Alexey Goncharuk <
> alexey.goncharuk@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks folks, I'm in.
> >>
> >> пт, 25 окт. 2019 г. в 23:44, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
> >>
> >>> I'm in.
> >>>
> >>> В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет:
> >>>> Igniters,
> >>>>
> >>>> Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
> >>>> until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who
> >>> confirm
> >>>> will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that
> >>> time,
> >>>> then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that
> even
> >>>> though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
> >>>> counted for the Chair election:
> >>>>
> >>>>   - Nikolay Izhikov
> >>>>   - Alexey Goncharuk
> >>>>   - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
> >>>>   - Pavel Tupitsyn
> >>>>   - Roman Shtykh
> >>>>   - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
> >>>>   - Yakov Zhdanov
> >>>>   - Andrey Gura
> >>>>   - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
> >>>>   - Denis Magda (rejected)
> >>>>
> >>>> On a side note.
> >>>>
> >>>> Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to
> >> the
> >>>> community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that
> a
> >>>> demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for
> >>> your
> >>>> current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not
> >> complementing
> >>>> technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the
> >>> vendor
> >>>> doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for
> >>> Ignite.
> >>>> Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice,
> discuss
> >>> and
> >>>> set the rules with the employer from the get-go.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
> >>>> excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we
> >> have
> >>>> excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they
> >>> need
> >>>> to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1].
> As
> >>> for
> >>>> me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth
> >>> similarly
> >>>> if not bigger.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html
> >>>>
> >>>> -
> >>>> Denis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply,
> >>> but I
> >>>>> have to stress one thing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just
> >>> roles.
> >>>>> One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
> >>>>> suggest/vote for new committers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens
> >>> on a
> >>>>> private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con.
> >>> This is
> >>>>> sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev
> >> list,
> >>> in
> >>>>> public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing,
> >>> it is
> >>>>> a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of
> >>> merit
> >>>>> and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
> >>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>>>>
> >>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Vova,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
> >>>>>> Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC
> >>> Chair
> >>>>>> or not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vova,
> >>>>>>> +1 to your candidacy.
> >>>>>>> Just say yes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member
> >>> currently
> >>>>>>> enough for me :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >>> dpavlov@apache.org>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy
> >>> came for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2nd
> >>>>>>>> time (I've checked previous thread).
> >>>>>>>> This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as
> >>> Chair.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <
> >> ppozerov@gmail.com
> >>>> :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> HI Anton,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very
> >>> vibrant,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For
> >>> example, I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>> thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka
> >> "Hazelnite")
> >>>>>
> >>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>> have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> >>>>>>>>> But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think
> >> more
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> whether I
> >>>>>>>>> am ready for this role ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Vladimir.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org
> >>> :
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> More candidates:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Alexey Zinoviev.
> >>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
> >>> this.
> >>>>>>>>>> BigData evangelist.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Ivan Rakov.
> >>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
> >>> this.
> >>>>>>>>>> Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Denis Magda.
> >>>>>>>>>> Keeping this stable is also the option.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> >>>>>>>>>> Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Roman Shtykh.
> >>>>>>>>>> Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Vladimir Ozerov
> >>>>>>>>>> Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Man with really strong leadership skills.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Yakov Zhdanov
> >>>>>>>>>> Ignite's Godfather.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it?
> >> This
> >>> is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> not a
> >>>>>>>>> vote?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't
> >> it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will
> >>> have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>> 1
> >>>>>>>>>>> candidate?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year,
> >>> and it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>> easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >>> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Igniters,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day
> >> job
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>> projects
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in
> >>> replies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm
> >> concerned
> >>> how
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> keeping
> >>>>>>>>>> PMC
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF
> >>> could
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> move
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving
> >>> more
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> control
> >>>>>>>>>>> outside
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and improving diversity always help to find new ways of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> developing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this
> >>> role.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But if
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alexey
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated
> >>> with
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> GridGain,
> >>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> dmagda@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igniters,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the
> >> PMC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chair and
> >>>>>>>>> I’d
> >>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the community to give other PMC members an
> >>> opportunity to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> serve
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more
> >>> frequently and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> we’re
> >>>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power,
> >>> he/she
> >>>>>
> >>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>> bring a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fresh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective and help to navigate the community via
> >>> trails
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> considered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please propose candidates selecting among active
> >> PMC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> members:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a
> >> business
> >>> trip.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Will
> >>>>>>>>>> start
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> vote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy
> >> Setrakyan
> >>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over
> >>> occupied
> >>>>>
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> travel
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holidays at this moment.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin
> >>> Boudnik <
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> cos@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the
> >>> deep
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> insight,
> >>>>>>>>> Roman!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while
> >>> and it
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [VOTE].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following candidates were put forward during
> >>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [DISCUSS]
> >>>>>>>> (in
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> order
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their appearance on the thread):
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis Magda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering the number of the candidates I
> >>> propose to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First-past-the-post
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner
> >>> rules, where
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> candidate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority)
> >>> wins. [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start
> >> the
> >>> formal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [VOTE]?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman
> >>> Shaposhnik
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy
> >>> Setrakyan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far
> >>> look
> >>>>>
> >>>>> good, I
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>> propose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His
> >>> participation in
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> project
> >>>>>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with
> >>> Ignite
> >>>>>
> >>>>> project
> >>>>>>>>>> overall,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets,
> >>> design, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late,
> >>> but I
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wanted
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> offer a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspective that hopefully can
> >>> help reframe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little bit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming
> >>> from a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> non-coding
> >>>>>>>>>> (on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ignite) member
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC
> >>> after
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> graduation
> >>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who
> >>> wanted to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> directly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to where the technology was going. My
> >>> concern during
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> incubation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys
> >>> doing on
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement
> >>> (the fact
> >>>>>
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 80%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of project
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members work for the same company) came up
> >>> during our
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> graduation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still
> >>> was a very
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> valid
> >>>>>>>>>>> concern.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monocultures
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are really nasty for open source
> >> communities.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite
> >>> community
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hasn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I
> >>> honestly
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> feel
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a larger
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing.
> >> It
> >>> was well
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> understood
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it
> >>> can to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> demonstrate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive trajectory
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind
> >>> of dropped
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> ball
> >>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what
> >> a
> >>> change
> >>>>>
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Chair
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer: a renewed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on community growth and development.
> >>> If you
> >>>>>
> >>>>> agree
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> premise than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act
> >> as
> >>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>> forcing
> >>>>>>>>> function
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow
> >>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> develop
> >>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all
> >>> Branko's
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "tough
> >>>>>>>>>> love"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in
> >>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Incubator).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't
> >>> have to
> >>>>>
> >>>>> be
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> Chair
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. But lets
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a
> >>> project's Chair
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any special
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers when it comes to technological
> >>> consensus, but
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> anything
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with external community the VP title that
> >>> the chair
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> gets
> >>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as
> >> former
> >>>>>
> >>>>> mentors)
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit to 6 more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship
> >>> focused on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Ivan Pavlukhin
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Petr Ivanov <mr...@gmail.com>]

Anyone can vote or only other PMCs?


> On 28 Oct 2019, at 20:58, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Ignites, overall, here is a list of candidates who confirmed their
> participation in the vote. The others are either rejected or not responded
> publicly/privately.
> 
>   - Alexey Goncharuk
>   - Dmitry Pavlov
>   - Nikolay Izhikov
>   - Pavel Tupitsyn
> 
> As proposed in this discussion, let's bring up the PMC rotation topic once
> a year to see if the community is willing to give another candidate to take
> the role. But the rotation shouldn't be obligatory if a current PMC is
> ready to carry on and the community doesn't see a need for the rotation.
> 
> 
> -
> Denis
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 2:22 AM Alexey Goncharuk <al...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks folks, I'm in.
>> 
>> пт, 25 окт. 2019 г. в 23:44, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>> 
>>> I'm in.
>>> 
>>> В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет:
>>>> Igniters,
>>>> 
>>>> Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
>>>> until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who
>>> confirm
>>>> will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that
>>> time,
>>>> then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that even
>>>> though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
>>>> counted for the Chair election:
>>>> 
>>>>   - Nikolay Izhikov
>>>>   - Alexey Goncharuk
>>>>   - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
>>>>   - Pavel Tupitsyn
>>>>   - Roman Shtykh
>>>>   - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
>>>>   - Yakov Zhdanov
>>>>   - Andrey Gura
>>>>   - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
>>>>   - Denis Magda (rejected)
>>>> 
>>>> On a side note.
>>>> 
>>>> Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to
>> the
>>>> community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that a
>>>> demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for
>>> your
>>>> current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not
>> complementing
>>>> technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the
>>> vendor
>>>> doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for
>>> Ignite.
>>>> Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice, discuss
>>> and
>>>> set the rules with the employer from the get-go.
>>>> 
>>>> Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
>>>> excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we
>> have
>>>> excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they
>>> need
>>>> to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1]. As
>>> for
>>>> me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth
>>> similarly
>>>> if not bigger.
>>>> 
>>>> [1]
>>>> 
>>> 
>> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Denis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply,
>>> but I
>>>>> have to stress one thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just
>>> roles.
>>>>> One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
>>>>> suggest/vote for new committers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens
>>> on a
>>>>> private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con.
>>> This is
>>>>> sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev
>> list,
>>> in
>>>>> public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing,
>>> it is
>>>>> a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of
>>> merit
>>>>> and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
>>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov
>>>>> 
>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Vova,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
>>>>>> Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC
>>> Chair
>>>>>> or not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Vova,
>>>>>>> +1 to your candidacy.
>>>>>>> Just say yes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member
>>> currently
>>>>>>> enough for me :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
>>> dpavlov@apache.org>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy
>>> came for
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2nd
>>>>>>>> time (I've checked previous thread).
>>>>>>>> This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as
>>> Chair.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <
>> ppozerov@gmail.com
>>>> :
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> HI Anton,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very
>>> vibrant,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For
>>> example, I
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka
>> "Hazelnite")
>>>>> 
>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
>>>>>>>>> But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think
>> more
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> whether I
>>>>>>>>> am ready for this role ...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Vladimir.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org
>>> :
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> More candidates:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Alexey Zinoviev.
>>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>> BigData evangelist.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Ivan Rakov.
>>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>> Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Denis Magda.
>>>>>>>>>> Keeping this stable is also the option.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Pavel Tupitsyn.
>>>>>>>>>> Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Roman Shtykh.
>>>>>>>>>> Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
>>>>>>>>>> Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Vladimir Ozerov
>>>>>>>>>> Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
>>>>>>>>>> Man with really strong leadership skills.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> - Yakov Zhdanov
>>>>>>>>>> Ignite's Godfather.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it?
>> This
>>> is
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>> vote?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't
>> it?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will
>>> have
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>>>>> candidate?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year,
>>> and it
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <
>>> dpavlov@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Igniters,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day
>> job
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>> projects
>>>>>>>>>>>> not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in
>>> replies.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm
>> concerned
>>> how
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> keeping
>>>>>>>>>> PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF
>>> could
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving
>>> more
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>> outside
>>>>>>>>>>>> and improving diversity always help to find new ways of
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> developing
>>>>>>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this
>>> role.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But if
>>>>>>>>>>> Alexey
>>>>>>>>>>>> is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated
>>> with
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> GridGain,
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> nivanov@gridgain.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 Alexey Goncharuk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> dmagda@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igniters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the
>> PMC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chair and
>>>>>>>>> I’d
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the community to give other PMC members an
>>> opportunity to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more
>>> frequently and
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> we’re
>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power,
>>> he/she
>>>>> 
>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> bring a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective and help to navigate the community via
>>> trails
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please propose candidates selecting among active
>> PMC
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> members:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a
>> business
>>> trip.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy
>> Setrakyan
>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over
>>> occupied
>>>>> 
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> travel
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holidays at this moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin
>>> Boudnik <
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> cos@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the
>>> deep
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> insight,
>>>>>>>>> Roman!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while
>>> and it
>>>>> 
>>>>> is
>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [VOTE].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following candidates were put forward during
>>> the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [DISCUSS]
>>>>>>>> (in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their appearance on the thread):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis Magda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering the number of the candidates I
>>> propose to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First-past-the-post
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner
>>> rules, where
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> candidate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority)
>>> wins. [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start
>> the
>>> formal
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [VOTE]?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman
>>> Shaposhnik
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy
>>> Setrakyan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far
>>> look
>>>>> 
>>>>> good, I
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> propose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His
>>> participation in
>>>>> 
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with
>>> Ignite
>>>>> 
>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>> overall,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets,
>>> design, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late,
>>> but I
>>>>> 
>>>>> wanted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> offer a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspective that hopefully can
>>> help reframe
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming
>>> from a
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> non-coding
>>>>>>>>>> (on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ignite) member
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC
>>> after
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> graduation
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who
>>> wanted to
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to where the technology was going. My
>>> concern during
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys
>>> doing on
>>>>> 
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement
>>> (the fact
>>>>> 
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>> 80%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members work for the same company) came up
>>> during our
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> graduation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still
>>> was a very
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> valid
>>>>>>>>>>> concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monocultures
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are really nasty for open source
>> communities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite
>>> community
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I
>>> honestly
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a larger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing.
>> It
>>> was well
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> understood
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it
>>> can to
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> demonstrate a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive trajectory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind
>>> of dropped
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> ball
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what
>> a
>>> change
>>>>> 
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer: a renewed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on community growth and development.
>>> If you
>>>>> 
>>>>> agree
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> premise than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act
>> as
>>> a
>>>>> 
>>>>> forcing
>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow
>>> and
>>>>> 
>>>>> develop
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all
>>> Branko's
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "tough
>>>>>>>>>> love"
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in
>>> the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Incubator).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't
>>> have to
>>>>> 
>>>>> be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> Chair
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. But lets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a
>>> project's Chair
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers when it comes to technological
>>> consensus, but
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with external community the VP title that
>>> the chair
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as
>> former
>>>>> 
>>>>> mentors)
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit to 6 more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship
>>> focused on
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Ivan Pavlukhin
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>]

Ignites, overall, here is a list of candidates who confirmed their
participation in the vote. The others are either rejected or not responded
publicly/privately.

   - Alexey Goncharuk
   - Dmitry Pavlov
   - Nikolay Izhikov
   - Pavel Tupitsyn

As proposed in this discussion, let's bring up the PMC rotation topic once
a year to see if the community is willing to give another candidate to take
the role. But the rotation shouldn't be obligatory if a current PMC is
ready to carry on and the community doesn't see a need for the rotation.


-
Denis


On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 2:22 AM Alexey Goncharuk <al...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks folks, I'm in.
>
> пт, 25 окт. 2019 г. в 23:44, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:
>
> > I'm in.
> >
> > В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет:
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
> > > until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who
> > confirm
> > > will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that
> > time,
> > > then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that even
> > > though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
> > > counted for the Chair election:
> > >
> > >    - Nikolay Izhikov
> > >    - Alexey Goncharuk
> > >    - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
> > >    - Pavel Tupitsyn
> > >    - Roman Shtykh
> > >    - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
> > >    - Yakov Zhdanov
> > >    - Andrey Gura
> > >    - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
> > >    - Denis Magda (rejected)
> > >
> > > On a side note.
> > >
> > > Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to
> the
> > > community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that a
> > > demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for
> > your
> > > current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not
> complementing
> > > technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the
> > vendor
> > > doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for
> > Ignite.
> > > Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice, discuss
> > and
> > > set the rules with the employer from the get-go.
> > >
> > > Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
> > > excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we
> have
> > > excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they
> > need
> > > to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1]. As
> > for
> > > me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth
> > similarly
> > > if not bigger.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html
> > >
> > > -
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply,
> > but I
> > > > have to stress one thing.
> > > >
> > > > Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just
> > roles.
> > > > One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
> > > > suggest/vote for new committers.
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens
> > on a
> > > > private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con.
> > This is
> > > > sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev
> list,
> > in
> > > > public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing,
> > it is
> > > > a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
> > > >
> > > > Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of
> > merit
> > > > and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
> > > >
> > > > A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
> > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Vova,
> > > > >
> > > > > Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
> > > > > Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC
> > Chair
> > > > > or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > +1 to your candidacy.
> > > > > > Just say yes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member
> > currently
> > > > > > enough for me :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov@apache.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy
> > came for
> > > > >
> > > > > 2nd
> > > > > > > time (I've checked previous thread).
> > > > > > > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as
> > Chair.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <
> ppozerov@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > HI Anton,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very
> > vibrant,
> > > > >
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For
> > example, I
> > > > >
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka
> "Hazelnite")
> > > >
> > > > which
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > > > > > > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think
> more
> > > > >
> > > > > whether I
> > > > > > > > am ready for this role ...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org
> >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > More candidates:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
> > this.
> > > > > > > > > BigData evangelist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
> > this.
> > > > > > > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Denis Magda.
> > > > > > > > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > > > > > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > > > > > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > > > > > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > > > > > > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > > > > > > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it?
> This
> > is
> > > > >
> > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > vote?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't
> it?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will
> > have
> > > > >
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > candidate?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year,
> > and it
> > > > >
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day
> job
> > > > >
> > > > > current
> > > > > > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in
> > replies.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm
> concerned
> > how
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > keeping
> > > > > > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF
> > could
> > > > >
> > > > > move
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving
> > more
> > > > >
> > > > > control
> > > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of
> > > > >
> > > > > developing
> > > > > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this
> > role.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if
> > > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated
> > with
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > GridGain,
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <
> > > > >
> > > > > nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <
> > > > >
> > > > > dmagda@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the
> PMC
> > > > >
> > > > > Chair and
> > > > > > > > I’d
> > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an
> > opportunity to
> > > > >
> > > > > serve
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more
> > frequently and
> > > > >
> > > > > we’re
> > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power,
> > he/she
> > > >
> > > > can
> > > > > > > > bring a
> > > > > > > > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via
> > trails
> > > > >
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active
> PMC
> > > > >
> > > > > members:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a
> business
> > trip.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will
> > > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy
> Setrakyan
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over
> > occupied
> > > >
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > travel
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin
> > Boudnik <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was a great discussion, thanks for the
> > deep
> > > > >
> > > > > insight,
> > > > > > > > Roman!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like this thread has stewed for a while
> > and it
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > > > time
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following candidates were put forward during
> > the
> > > > >
> > > > > [DISCUSS]
> > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Denis Magda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering the number of the candidates I
> > propose to
> > > > >
> > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First-past-the-post
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voting, with a single-round/single winner
> > rules, where
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting the most votes (not the majority)
> > wins. [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start
> the
> > formal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [VOTE]?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Cos
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman
> > Shaposhnik
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy
> > Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While all the candidates suggested so far
> > look
> > > >
> > > > good, I
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His
> > participation in
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to do with the code, but also with
> > Ignite
> > > >
> > > > project
> > > > > > > > > overall,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website, documentation, new tickets,
> > design, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to come to this thread rather late,
> > but I
> > > >
> > > > wanted
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > offer a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different perspective that hopefully can
> > help reframe
> > > > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a little bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming
> > from a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > non-coding
> > > > > > > > > (on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite) member
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC
> > after
> > > > >
> > > > > graduation
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member hat on, rather than as somebody who
> > wanted to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > directly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to where the technology was going. My
> > concern during
> > > > >
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > > incubation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was (and still is!) how well are you guys
> > doing on
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > front.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you recall, the diversity requirement
> > (the fact
> > > >
> > > > that
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members work for the same company) came up
> > during our
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > While
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still
> > was a very
> > > > >
> > > > > valid
> > > > > > > > > > concern.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monocultures
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are really nasty for open source
> communities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite
> > community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hasn't
> > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improved much
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I
> > honestly
> > > > >
> > > > > feel
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a larger
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extent, because the focus is now missing.
> It
> > was well
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > understood
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to graduate the community had to do all it
> > can to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > demonstrate a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positive trajectory
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that direction. And we did. But we kind
> > of dropped
> > > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > ball
> > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that in mind, I offer my view on what
> a
> > change
> > > >
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offer: a renewed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focus on community growth and development.
> > If you
> > > >
> > > > agree
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > premise than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act
> as
> > a
> > > >
> > > > forcing
> > > > > > > > function
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remind us about what else can we do to grow
> > and
> > > >
> > > > develop
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all
> > Branko's
> > > > >
> > > > > "tough
> > > > > > > > > love"
> > > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most useful part of Ignite's experience in
> > the
> > > > >
> > > > > Incubator).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't
> > have to
> > > >
> > > > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. But lets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > face it -- that helps. And besides, a
> > project's Chair
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have any special
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powers when it comes to technological
> > consensus, but
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with external community the VP title that
> > the chair
> > > > >
> > > > > gets
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as
> former
> > > >
> > > > mentors)
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit to 6 more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months of the same hands-on mentorship
> > focused on
> > > > >
> > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Alexey Goncharuk <al...@gmail.com>]

Thanks folks, I'm in.

пт, 25 окт. 2019 г. в 23:44, Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>:

> I'm in.
>
> В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет:
> > Igniters,
> >
> > Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
> > until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who
> confirm
> > will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that
> time,
> > then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that even
> > though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
> > counted for the Chair election:
> >
> >    - Nikolay Izhikov
> >    - Alexey Goncharuk
> >    - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
> >    - Pavel Tupitsyn
> >    - Roman Shtykh
> >    - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
> >    - Yakov Zhdanov
> >    - Andrey Gura
> >    - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
> >    - Denis Magda (rejected)
> >
> > On a side note.
> >
> > Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to the
> > community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that a
> > demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for
> your
> > current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not complementing
> > technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the
> vendor
> > doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for
> Ignite.
> > Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice, discuss
> and
> > set the rules with the employer from the get-go.
> >
> > Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
> > excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we have
> > excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they
> need
> > to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1]. As
> for
> > me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth
> similarly
> > if not bigger.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html
> >
> > -
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply,
> but I
> > > have to stress one thing.
> > >
> > > Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just
> roles.
> > > One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
> > > suggest/vote for new committers.
> > >
> > > There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens
> on a
> > > private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con.
> This is
> > > sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev list,
> in
> > > public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing,
> it is
> > > a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
> > >
> > > Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of
> merit
> > > and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
> > >
> > > A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
> > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Vova,
> > > >
> > > > Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
> > > > Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC
> Chair
> > > > or not.
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > Vova,
> > > > > +1 to your candidacy.
> > > > > Just say yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member
> currently
> > > > > enough for me :)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov@apache.org>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy
> came for
> > > >
> > > > 2nd
> > > > > > time (I've checked previous thread).
> > > > > > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as
> Chair.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <ppozerov@gmail.com
> >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > HI Anton,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very
> vibrant,
> > > >
> > > > it
> > > > > > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For
> example, I
> > > >
> > > > was
> > > > > > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite")
> > >
> > > which
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > > > > > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more
> > > >
> > > > whether I
> > > > > > > am ready for this role ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > More candidates:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
> this.
> > > > > > > > BigData evangelist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
> this.
> > > > > > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Denis Magda.
> > > > > > > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > > > > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > > > > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > > > > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > > > > > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > > > > > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> > > > > >
> > > > > > zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This
> is
> > > >
> > > > not a
> > > > > > > vote?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will
> have
> > > >
> > > > more
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > candidate?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year,
> and it
> > > >
> > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <
> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job
> > > >
> > > > current
> > > > > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in
> replies.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned
> how
> > > > > >
> > > > > > keeping
> > > > > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF
> could
> > > >
> > > > move
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving
> more
> > > >
> > > > control
> > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of
> > > >
> > > > developing
> > > > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this
> role.
> > > >
> > > > But if
> > > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated
> with
> > > > > >
> > > > > > GridGain,
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <
> > > >
> > > > nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <
> > > >
> > > > dmagda@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC
> > > >
> > > > Chair and
> > > > > > > I’d
> > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an
> opportunity to
> > > >
> > > > serve
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more
> frequently and
> > > >
> > > > we’re
> > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power,
> he/she
> > >
> > > can
> > > > > > > bring a
> > > > > > > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via
> trails
> > > >
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > considered
> > > > > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC
> > > >
> > > > members:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >
> > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business
> trip.
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over
> occupied
> > >
> > > with
> > > > > > > travel
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin
> Boudnik <
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was a great discussion, thanks for the
> deep
> > > >
> > > > insight,
> > > > > > > Roman!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like this thread has stewed for a while
> and it
> > >
> > > is
> > > > time
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > following candidates were put forward during
> the
> > > >
> > > > [DISCUSS]
> > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Denis Magda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering the number of the candidates I
> propose to
> > > >
> > > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First-past-the-post
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voting, with a single-round/single winner
> rules, where
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting the most votes (not the majority)
> wins. [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the
> formal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [VOTE]?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Cos
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman
> Shaposhnik
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy
> Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While all the candidates suggested so far
> look
> > >
> > > good, I
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His
> participation in
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to do with the code, but also with
> Ignite
> > >
> > > project
> > > > > > > > overall,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website, documentation, new tickets,
> design, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to come to this thread rather late,
> but I
> > >
> > > wanted
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > offer a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different perspective that hopefully can
> help reframe
> > > >
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a little bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming
> from a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > non-coding
> > > > > > > > (on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite) member
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC
> after
> > > >
> > > > graduation
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member hat on, rather than as somebody who
> wanted to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > directly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to where the technology was going. My
> concern during
> > > >
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > incubation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was (and still is!) how well are you guys
> doing on
> > >
> > > the
> > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > front.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you recall, the diversity requirement
> (the fact
> > >
> > > that
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members work for the same company) came up
> during our
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > While
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still
> was a very
> > > >
> > > > valid
> > > > > > > > > concern.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monocultures
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite
> community
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hasn't
> > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improved much
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I
> honestly
> > > >
> > > > feel
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a larger
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extent, because the focus is now missing. It
> was well
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > understood
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to graduate the community had to do all it
> can to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > demonstrate a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positive trajectory
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that direction. And we did. But we kind
> of dropped
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > > > > > ball
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a
> change
> > >
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offer: a renewed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focus on community growth and development.
> If you
> > >
> > > agree
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > premise than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as
> a
> > >
> > > forcing
> > > > > > > function
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remind us about what else can we do to grow
> and
> > >
> > > develop
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all
> Branko's
> > > >
> > > > "tough
> > > > > > > > love"
> > > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most useful part of Ignite's experience in
> the
> > > >
> > > > Incubator).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't
> have to
> > >
> > > be
> > > > a
> > > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. But lets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > face it -- that helps. And besides, a
> project's Chair
> > > > > >
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have any special
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powers when it comes to technological
> consensus, but
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with external community the VP title that
> the chair
> > > >
> > > > gets
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former
> > >
> > > mentors)
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit to 6 more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months of the same hands-on mentorship
> focused on
> > > >
> > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Nikolay Izhikov <ni...@apache.org>]

I'm in.

В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет:
> Igniters,
> 
> Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
> until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who confirm
> will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that time,
> then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that even
> though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
> counted for the Chair election:
> 
>    - Nikolay Izhikov
>    - Alexey Goncharuk
>    - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
>    - Pavel Tupitsyn
>    - Roman Shtykh
>    - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
>    - Yakov Zhdanov
>    - Andrey Gura
>    - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
>    - Denis Magda (rejected)
> 
> On a side note.
> 
> Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to the
> community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that a
> demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for your
> current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not complementing
> technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the vendor
> doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for Ignite.
> Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice, discuss and
> set the rules with the employer from the get-go.
> 
> Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
> excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we have
> excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they need
> to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1]. As for
> me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth similarly
> if not bigger.
> 
> [1]
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html
> 
> -
> Denis
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply, but I
> > have to stress one thing.
> > 
> > Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just roles.
> > One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
> > suggest/vote for new committers.
> > 
> > There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens on a
> > private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con. This is
> > sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev list, in
> > public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing, it is
> > a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
> > 
> > Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of merit
> > and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
> > 
> > A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > 
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > > Hi Vova,
> > > 
> > > Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
> > > Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC Chair
> > > or not.
> > > 
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > > > 
> > > > Vova,
> > > > +1 to your candidacy.
> > > > Just say yes.
> > > > 
> > > > As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member currently
> > > > enough for me :)
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came for
> > > 
> > > 2nd
> > > > > time (I've checked previous thread).
> > > > > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair.
> > > > > 
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <pp...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > HI Anton,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant,
> > > 
> > > it
> > > > > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I
> > > 
> > > was
> > > > > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite")
> > 
> > which
> > > > > could
> > > > > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > > > > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more
> > > 
> > > whether I
> > > > > > am ready for this role ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > More candidates:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > > > > BigData evangelist.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Denis Magda.
> > > > > > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > > > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > > > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > > > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > > > > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > > > > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> > > > > 
> > > > > zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is
> > > 
> > > not a
> > > > > > vote?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have
> > > 
> > > more
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > candidate?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it
> > > 
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job
> > > 
> > > current
> > > > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how
> > > > > 
> > > > > keeping
> > > > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could
> > > 
> > > move
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more
> > > 
> > > control
> > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of
> > > 
> > > developing
> > > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role.
> > > 
> > > But if
> > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with
> > > > > 
> > > > > GridGain,
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <
> > > 
> > > nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <
> > > 
> > > dmagda@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC
> > > 
> > > Chair and
> > > > > > I’d
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to
> > > 
> > > serve
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and
> > > 
> > > we’re
> > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she
> > 
> > can
> > > > > > bring a
> > > > > > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails
> > > 
> > > not
> > > > > > > > > considered
> > > > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC
> > > 
> > > members:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip.
> > > 
> > > Will
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > > > > > > this week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied
> > 
> > with
> > > > > > travel
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep
> > > 
> > > insight,
> > > > > > Roman!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it
> > 
> > is
> > > time
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > following candidates were put forward during the
> > > 
> > > [DISCUSS]
> > > > > (in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Denis Magda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering the number of the candidates I propose to
> > > 
> > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > First-past-the-post
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal
> > > > > 
> > > > > [VOTE]?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Cos
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While all the candidates suggested so far look
> > 
> > good, I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite
> > 
> > project
> > > > > > > overall,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I
> > 
> > wanted
> > > to
> > > > > > > offer a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe
> > > 
> > > this
> > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a little bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a
> > > > > 
> > > > > non-coding
> > > > > > > (on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite) member
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after
> > > 
> > > graduation
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to
> > > > > 
> > > > > directly
> > > > > > > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to where the technology was going. My concern during
> > > 
> > > your
> > > > > > > > > incubation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > front.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact
> > 
> > that
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members work for the same company) came up during our
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > While
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very
> > > 
> > > valid
> > > > > > > > concern.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monocultures
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community
> > > > > 
> > > > > hasn't
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improved much
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly
> > > 
> > > feel
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a larger
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > understood
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > demonstrate a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positive trajectory
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > > ball
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change
> > 
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offer: a renewed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focus on community growth and development. If you
> > 
> > agree
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > premise than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a
> > 
> > forcing
> > > > > > function
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remind us about what else can we do to grow and
> > 
> > develop
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's
> > > 
> > > "tough
> > > > > > > love"
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the
> > > 
> > > Incubator).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to
> > 
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. But lets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair
> > > > > 
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have any special
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but
> > > > > 
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with external community the VP title that the chair
> > > 
> > > gets
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former
> > 
> > mentors)
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit to 6 more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on
> > > 
> > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > 

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>]

Igniters,

Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who confirm
will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that time,
then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that even
though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
counted for the Chair election:

   - Nikolay Izhikov
   - Alexey Goncharuk
   - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
   - Pavel Tupitsyn
   - Roman Shtykh
   - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
   - Yakov Zhdanov
   - Andrey Gura
   - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
   - Denis Magda (rejected)

On a side note.

Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to the
community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that a
demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for your
current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not complementing
technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the vendor
doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for Ignite.
Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice, discuss and
set the rules with the employer from the get-go.

Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we have
excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they need
to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1]. As for
me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth similarly
if not bigger.

[1]
http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html

-
Denis


On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:

> Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply, but I
> have to stress one thing.
>
> Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just roles.
> One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
> suggest/vote for new committers.
>
> There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens on a
> private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con. This is
> sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev list, in
> public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing, it is
> a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
>
> Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of merit
> and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
>
> A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi Vova,
> >
> > Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
> > Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC Chair
> > or not.
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > Vova,
> > > +1 to your candidacy.
> > > Just say yes.
> > >
> > > As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member currently
> > > enough for me :)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came for
> > 2nd
> > > > time (I've checked previous thread).
> > > > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair.
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <pp...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > HI Anton,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant,
> > it
> > > > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I
> > was
> > > > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite")
> which
> > > > could
> > > > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > > > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more
> > whether I
> > > > > am ready for this role ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > More candidates:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > > > BigData evangelist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Denis Magda.
> > > > > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > > > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > > > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> > > > zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is
> > not a
> > > > > vote?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have
> > more
> > > > > than
> > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > candidate?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job
> > current
> > > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how
> > > > keeping
> > > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could
> > move
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more
> > control
> > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of
> > developing
> > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role.
> > But if
> > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with
> > > > GridGain,
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <
> > nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <
> > dmagda@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC
> > Chair and
> > > > > I’d
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to
> > serve
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and
> > we’re
> > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she
> can
> > > > > bring a
> > > > > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails
> > not
> > > > > > > > considered
> > > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC
> > members:
> > > > > > > > > >
> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip.
> > Will
> > > > > > start
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied
> with
> > > > > travel
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep
> > insight,
> > > > > Roman!
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it
> is
> > time
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the
> > [DISCUSS]
> > > > (in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to
> > use
> > > > > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where
> > the
> > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal
> > > > [VOTE]?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> [1]
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look
> good, I
> > > > would
> > > > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in
> the
> > > > > project
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite
> project
> > > > > > overall,
> > > > > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I
> wanted
> > to
> > > > > > offer a
> > > > > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe
> > this
> > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a
> > > > non-coding
> > > > > > (on
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after
> > graduation
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to
> > > > directly
> > > > > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during
> > your
> > > > > > > > incubation
> > > > > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on
> the
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact
> that
> > > > more
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very
> > valid
> > > > > > > concern.
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community
> > > > hasn't
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly
> > feel
> > > > that
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > > > > understood
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> > > > > demonstrate a
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped
> > the
> > > > > ball
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change
> in
> > the
> > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you
> agree
> > > > with
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a
> forcing
> > > > > function
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and
> develop
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's
> > "tough
> > > > > > love"
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the
> > Incubator).
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to
> be
> > a
> > > > > Chair
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair
> > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but
> > > > anything
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair
> > gets
> > > > can
> > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former
> mentors)
> > > > would
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on
> > community
> > > > > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>]

Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply, but I
have to stress one thing.

Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just roles.
One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
suggest/vote for new committers.

There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens on a
private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con. This is
sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev list, in
public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing, it is
a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.

Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of merit
and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.

A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Vova,
>
> Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
> Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC Chair
> or not.
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> >
> > Vova,
> > +1 to your candidacy.
> > Just say yes.
> >
> > As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member currently
> > enough for me :)
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came for
> 2nd
> > > time (I've checked previous thread).
> > > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair.
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <pp...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > HI Anton,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant,
> it
> > > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I
> was
> > > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite") which
> > > could
> > > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more
> whether I
> > > > am ready for this role ...
> > > >
> > > > Vladimir.
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > More candidates:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > > BigData evangelist.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Denis Magda.
> > > > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> > > zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is
> not a
> > > > vote?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have
> more
> > > > than
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > candidate?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it
> will
> > > be
> > > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job
> current
> > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how
> > > keeping
> > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could
> move
> > > the
> > > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more
> control
> > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of
> developing
> > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role.
> But if
> > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with
> > > GridGain,
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <
> nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <
> dmagda@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC
> Chair and
> > > > I’d
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to
> serve
> > > > in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and
> we’re
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can
> > > > bring a
> > > > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails
> not
> > > > > > > considered
> > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC
> members:
> > > > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip.
> Will
> > > > > start
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
> > > > travel
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep
> insight,
> > > > Roman!
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is
> time
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the
> [DISCUSS]
> > > (in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to
> use
> > > > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where
> the
> > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal
> > > [VOTE]?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> [1]
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I
> > > would
> > > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> > > > project
> > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > > > > overall,
> > > > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted
> to
> > > > > offer a
> > > > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe
> this
> > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a
> > > non-coding
> > > > > (on
> > > > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after
> graduation
> > > > more
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to
> > > directly
> > > > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during
> your
> > > > > > > incubation
> > > > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> > > > > community
> > > > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that
> > > more
> > > > > than
> > > > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very
> valid
> > > > > > concern.
> > > > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community
> > > hasn't
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly
> feel
> > > that
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > > > understood
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> > > > demonstrate a
> > > > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped
> the
> > > > ball
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in
> the
> > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree
> > > with
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> > > > function
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop
> > > this
> > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's
> "tough
> > > > > love"
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the
> Incubator).
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be
> a
> > > > Chair
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but
> > > anything
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair
> gets
> > > can
> > > > > help
> > > > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors)
> > > would
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on
> community
> > > > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ivan Pavlukhin
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>]

Hi Vova,

Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC Chair
or not.

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
>
> Vova,
> +1 to your candidacy.
> Just say yes.
>
> As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member currently
> enough for me :)
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came for 2nd
> > time (I've checked previous thread).
> > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair.
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <pp...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > HI Anton,
> > >
> > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant, it
> > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I was
> > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite") which
> > could
> > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more whether I
> > > am ready for this role ...
> > >
> > > Vladimir.
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > > More candidates:
> > > >
> > > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > BigData evangelist.
> > > >
> > > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > > >
> > > > - Denis Magda.
> > > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > > >
> > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > > >
> > > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > > >
> > > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > > >
> > > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> > zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> > > vote?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> > > than
> > > > 1
> > > > > candidate?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will
> > be
> > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > > > projects
> > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how
> > keeping
> > > > PMC
> > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move
> > the
> > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > > > outside
> > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > > > solution.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with
> > GridGain,
> > > > it
> > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and
> > > I’d
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve
> > > in
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > > > > already
> > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can
> > > bring a
> > > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > > > > considered
> > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> > > > start
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
> > > travel
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight,
> > > Roman!
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time
> > > to
> > > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS]
> > (in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal
> > [VOTE]?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> [1]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I
> > would
> > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> > > project
> > > > > does
> > > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > > > overall,
> > > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> > > > offer a
> > > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a
> > non-coding
> > > > (on
> > > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
> > > more
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to
> > directly
> > > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > > > > incubation
> > > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> > > > community
> > > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that
> > more
> > > > than
> > > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > > > > concern.
> > > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community
> > hasn't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel
> > that
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > > understood
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> > > demonstrate a
> > > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the
> > > ball
> > > > on
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > > > Chair
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree
> > with
> > > > this
> > > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> > > function
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop
> > this
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > > > love"
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a
> > > Chair
> > > > to
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair
> > doesn't
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but
> > anything
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets
> > can
> > > > help
> > > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors)
> > would
> > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >



-- 
Best regards,
Ivan Pavlukhin

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>]

Vova,
+1 to your candidacy.
Just say yes.

As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member currently
enough for me :)

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org> wrote:

> Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came for 2nd
> time (I've checked previous thread).
> This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair.
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <pp...@gmail.com>:
>
> > HI Anton,
> >
> > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant, it
> > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I was
> > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite") which
> could
> > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more whether I
> > am ready for this role ...
> >
> > Vladimir.
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > More candidates:
> > >
> > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > BigData evangelist.
> > >
> > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > >
> > > - Denis Magda.
> > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > >
> > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > >
> > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > >
> > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > >
> > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> > vote?
> > > >
> > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> > than
> > > 1
> > > > candidate?
> > > >
> > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will
> be
> > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > > projects
> > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how
> keeping
> > > PMC
> > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move
> the
> > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > > outside
> > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > > solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > > > Alexey
> > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with
> GridGain,
> > > it
> > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and
> > I’d
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve
> > in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > > > already
> > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can
> > bring a
> > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > > > considered
> > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> > > start
> > > > a
> > > > > > vote
> > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
> > travel
> > > > and
> > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight,
> > Roman!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time
> > to
> > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS]
> (in
> > > the
> > > > > > order
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal
> [VOTE]?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I
> would
> > > > > propose
> > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> > project
> > > > does
> > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > > overall,
> > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> > > offer a
> > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a
> non-coding
> > > (on
> > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
> > more
> > > > with
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to
> directly
> > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > > > incubation
> > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> > > community
> > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that
> more
> > > than
> > > > > 80%
> > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > > graduation.
> > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > > > concern.
> > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community
> hasn't
> > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel
> that
> > > > this
> > > > > > is,
> > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > understood
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> > demonstrate a
> > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the
> > ball
> > > on
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > > Chair
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree
> with
> > > this
> > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> > function
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop
> this
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > > love"
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a
> > Chair
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair
> doesn't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but
> anything
> > > > that
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets
> can
> > > help
> > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors)
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>]

Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came for 2nd
time (I've checked previous thread).
This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair.

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <pp...@gmail.com>:

> HI Anton,
>
> Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant, it
> would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I was
> thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite") which could
> have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more whether I
> am ready for this role ...
>
> Vladimir.
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
>
> > More candidates:
> >
> > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > BigData evangelist.
> >
> > - Ivan Rakov.
> > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> >
> > - Denis Magda.
> > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> >
> > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> >
> > - Roman Shtykh.
> > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> >
> > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> >
> > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > Ignite's Godfather.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> vote?
> > >
> > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> than
> > 1
> > > candidate?
> > >
> > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > projects
> > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > >
> > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping
> > PMC
> > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > outside
> > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > solution.
> > > >
> > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > > Alexey
> > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain,
> > it
> > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > --
> > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and
> I’d
> > > > like
> > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve
> in
> > > this
> > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > > already
> > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can
> bring a
> > > > fresh
> > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > > considered
> > > > > > before.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> > start
> > > a
> > > > > vote
> > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
> travel
> > > and
> > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > cos@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight,
> Roman!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time
> to
> > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> > the
> > > > > order
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > > candidate
> > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > > > propose
> > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> project
> > > does
> > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > overall,
> > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> > offer a
> > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > > discussion
> > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
> > (on
> > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
> more
> > > with
> > > > > my
> > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > > incubation
> > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> > community
> > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> > than
> > > > 80%
> > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > graduation.
> > > > > >> While
> > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > > concern.
> > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> > > really
> > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> > > this
> > > > > is,
> > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > understood
> > > > that
> > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> demonstrate a
> > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the
> ball
> > on
> > > > it
> > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > Chair
> > > > > could
> > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> > this
> > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> function
> > > to
> > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > > > community
> > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > love"
> > > > was
> > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a
> Chair
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > > > really
> > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> > > that
> > > > > has
> > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> > help
> > > > > >> quite
> > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > >> development
> > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Vladimir Ozerov <pp...@gmail.com>]

HI Anton,

Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant, it
would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I was
thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite") which could
have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more whether I
am ready for this role ...

Vladimir.

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:

> More candidates:
>
> - Alexey Zinoviev.
> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> BigData evangelist.
>
> - Ivan Rakov.
> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
>
> - Denis Magda.
> Keeping this stable is also the option.
>
> - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
>
> - Roman Shtykh.
> Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
>
> - Vladimir Ozerov
> Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> Man with really strong leadership skills.
>
> - Yakov Zhdanov
> Ignite's Godfather.
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?
> >
> > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> >
> > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than
> 1
> > candidate?
> >
> > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters,
> > >
> > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > projects
> > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > >
> > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping
> PMC
> > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > outside
> > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > Alexey
> > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain,
> it
> > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > --
> > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> > > like
> > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> > this
> > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > already
> > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> > > fresh
> > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > considered
> > > > > before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> start
> > a
> > > > vote
> > > > >> this week.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> > and
> > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > cos@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > > > [VOTE].
> > > > >>>> The
> > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> the
> > > > order
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > candidate
> > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > > propose
> > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> > does
> > > > >>>> not only
> > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> overall,
> > > > >>>> including
> > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> offer a
> > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > discussion
> > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
> (on
> > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> > with
> > > > my
> > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > >> contribute
> > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > incubation
> > > > >>>> days
> > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> community
> > > > >>>> development
> > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> than
> > > 80%
> > > > >>>> of project
> > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> graduation.
> > > > >> While
> > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > concern.
> > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> > really
> > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> > this
> > > > is,
> > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> understood
> > > that
> > > > >>>> in order
> > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball
> on
> > > it
> > > > >>>> since.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> Chair
> > > > could
> > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> this
> > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> > to
> > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > > community
> > > > >>>> would
> > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> love"
> > > was
> > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair
> to
> > > do
> > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > > really
> > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> > that
> > > > has
> > > > >>>> to do
> > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> help
> > > > >> quite
> > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> like
> > > to
> > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > >> development
> > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -
> > > > > Denis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>]

Wow, two opposite opinion about voting proccess in a drei minuten

I share the Dmitriy's thoughts about Apache Way and Denis and Nikolay, but
also support voting procedure if we will have more than 1 candidate.

Also will be a good point to find and share official or recommended rights
and area of responcibility for this position if it is described somewhere
in Apache

BUT, dont ask privately, ask here in this thread, dear proposed candidates,
could you write about your agreement or disagreement with you as a
candidate?

Dmitry answered above, lets wait others.







чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:50 Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:

> Agree with Alexey,
>
> Denis, could you please ask candidates privately whether they are ready to
> become a PMC Chair and start the vote with the confirmed list?
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:47 AM Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ha-ha, surely, I'm not a candidate to this place, but joining to the PMC
> > club will be a honor for me.
> >
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:34 Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > More candidates:
> > >
> > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > BigData evangelist.
> > >
> > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > >
> > > - Denis Magda.
> > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > >
> > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > >
> > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > >
> > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > >
> > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> > vote?
> > > >
> > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> > than
> > > 1
> > > > candidate?
> > > >
> > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will
> be
> > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > > projects
> > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how
> keeping
> > > PMC
> > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move
> the
> > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > > outside
> > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > > solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > > > Alexey
> > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with
> GridGain,
> > > it
> > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and
> > I’d
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve
> > in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > > > already
> > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can
> > bring a
> > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > > > considered
> > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> > > start
> > > > a
> > > > > > vote
> > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
> > travel
> > > > and
> > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight,
> > Roman!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time
> > to
> > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS]
> (in
> > > the
> > > > > > order
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal
> [VOTE]?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I
> would
> > > > > propose
> > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> > project
> > > > does
> > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > > overall,
> > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> > > offer a
> > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a
> non-coding
> > > (on
> > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
> > more
> > > > with
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to
> directly
> > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > > > incubation
> > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> > > community
> > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that
> more
> > > than
> > > > > 80%
> > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > > graduation.
> > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > > > concern.
> > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community
> hasn't
> > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel
> that
> > > > this
> > > > > > is,
> > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > understood
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> > demonstrate a
> > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the
> > ball
> > > on
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > > Chair
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree
> with
> > > this
> > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> > function
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop
> this
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > > love"
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a
> > Chair
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair
> doesn't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but
> anything
> > > > that
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets
> can
> > > help
> > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors)
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>]

Some more candidates:
A. Gura
A. Vinogradov

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:50, Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
>
> Agree with Alexey,
>
> Denis, could you please ask candidates privately whether they are ready to
> become a PMC Chair and start the vote with the confirmed list?
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:47 AM Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ha-ha, surely, I'm not a candidate to this place, but joining to the PMC
> > club will be a honor for me.
> >
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:34 Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > More candidates:
> > >
> > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > BigData evangelist.
> > >
> > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > >
> > > - Denis Magda.
> > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > >
> > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > >
> > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > >
> > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > >
> > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> > vote?
> > > >
> > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> > than
> > > 1
> > > > candidate?
> > > >
> > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > > projects
> > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping
> > > PMC
> > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > > outside
> > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > > solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > > > Alexey
> > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain,
> > > it
> > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and
> > I’d
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve
> > in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > > > already
> > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can
> > bring a
> > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > > > considered
> > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> > > start
> > > > a
> > > > > > vote
> > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
> > travel
> > > > and
> > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight,
> > Roman!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time
> > to
> > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> > > the
> > > > > > order
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > > > > propose
> > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> > project
> > > > does
> > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > > overall,
> > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> > > offer a
> > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
> > > (on
> > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
> > more
> > > > with
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > > > incubation
> > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> > > community
> > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> > > than
> > > > > 80%
> > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > > graduation.
> > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > > > concern.
> > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> > > > this
> > > > > > is,
> > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > understood
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> > demonstrate a
> > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the
> > ball
> > > on
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > > Chair
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> > > this
> > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> > function
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > > love"
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a
> > Chair
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> > > > that
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> > > help
> > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >



-- 
Best regards,
Ivan Pavlukhin

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>]

Agree with Alexey,

Denis, could you please ask candidates privately whether they are ready to
become a PMC Chair and start the vote with the confirmed list?

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:47 AM Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ha-ha, surely, I'm not a candidate to this place, but joining to the PMC
> club will be a honor for me.
>
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:34 Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:
>
> > More candidates:
> >
> > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > BigData evangelist.
> >
> > - Ivan Rakov.
> > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> >
> > - Denis Magda.
> > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> >
> > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> >
> > - Roman Shtykh.
> > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> >
> > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> >
> > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > Ignite's Godfather.
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> vote?
> > >
> > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > >
> > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> than
> > 1
> > > candidate?
> > >
> > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > projects
> > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > >
> > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping
> > PMC
> > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > outside
> > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > solution.
> > > >
> > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > > Alexey
> > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain,
> > it
> > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > --
> > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and
> I’d
> > > > like
> > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve
> in
> > > this
> > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > > already
> > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can
> bring a
> > > > fresh
> > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > > considered
> > > > > > before.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> > start
> > > a
> > > > > vote
> > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
> travel
> > > and
> > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > cos@apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight,
> Roman!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time
> to
> > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> > the
> > > > > order
> > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > > candidate
> > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > > > propose
> > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> project
> > > does
> > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > overall,
> > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> > offer a
> > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > > discussion
> > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
> > (on
> > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
> more
> > > with
> > > > > my
> > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > > incubation
> > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> > community
> > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> > than
> > > > 80%
> > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> > graduation.
> > > > > >> While
> > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > > concern.
> > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> > > really
> > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> > > this
> > > > > is,
> > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > understood
> > > > that
> > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
> demonstrate a
> > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the
> ball
> > on
> > > > it
> > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > Chair
> > > > > could
> > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> > this
> > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> function
> > > to
> > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > > > community
> > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > love"
> > > > was
> > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a
> Chair
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > > > really
> > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> > > that
> > > > > has
> > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> > help
> > > > > >> quite
> > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > >> development
> > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > Denis
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>]

Ha-ha, surely, I'm not a candidate to this place, but joining to the PMC
club will be a honor for me.


чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:34 Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>:

> More candidates:
>
> - Alexey Zinoviev.
> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> BigData evangelist.
>
> - Ivan Rakov.
> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
>
> - Denis Magda.
> Keeping this stable is also the option.
>
> - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
>
> - Roman Shtykh.
> Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
>
> - Vladimir Ozerov
> Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> Man with really strong leadership skills.
>
> - Yakov Zhdanov
> Ignite's Godfather.
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?
> >
> > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> >
> > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than
> 1
> > candidate?
> >
> > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters,
> > >
> > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > projects
> > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > >
> > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping
> PMC
> > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > outside
> > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > Alexey
> > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain,
> it
> > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > --
> > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> > > like
> > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> > this
> > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > already
> > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> > > fresh
> > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > considered
> > > > > before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> start
> > a
> > > > vote
> > > > >> this week.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> > and
> > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > cos@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > > > [VOTE].
> > > > >>>> The
> > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> the
> > > > order
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > candidate
> > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > > propose
> > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> > does
> > > > >>>> not only
> > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> overall,
> > > > >>>> including
> > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> offer a
> > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > > discussion
> > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
> (on
> > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> > with
> > > > my
> > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > >> contribute
> > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > > incubation
> > > > >>>> days
> > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> community
> > > > >>>> development
> > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> than
> > > 80%
> > > > >>>> of project
> > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our
> graduation.
> > > > >> While
> > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > concern.
> > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> > really
> > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> > this
> > > > is,
> > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> understood
> > > that
> > > > >>>> in order
> > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball
> on
> > > it
> > > > >>>> since.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> Chair
> > > > could
> > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> this
> > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> > to
> > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > > community
> > > > >>>> would
> > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> love"
> > > was
> > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair
> to
> > > do
> > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > > really
> > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> > that
> > > > has
> > > > >>>> to do
> > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> help
> > > > >> quite
> > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> like
> > > to
> > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > >> development
> > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -
> > > > > Denis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>]

More candidates:

- Alexey Zinoviev.
He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
BigData evangelist.

- Ivan Rakov.
He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.

- Denis Magda.
Keeping this stable is also the option.

- Pavel Tupitsyn.
Open-minded, experienced in global communications.

- Roman Shtykh.
Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.

- Vladimir Ozerov
Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
Man with really strong leadership skills.

- Yakov Zhdanov
Ignite's Godfather.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?
>
> Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
>
> Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than 1
> candidate?
>
> Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
>
> Thanks
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:
>
> > Hi Igniters,
> >
> > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> projects
> > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> >
> > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC
> > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> outside
> > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > solution.
> >
> > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> Alexey
> > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it
> > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > >
> > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > --
> > > Nikita Ivanov
> > >
> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> > like
> > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> this
> > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> already
> > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> > fresh
> > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > considered
> > > > before.
> > > >
> > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> a
> > > vote
> > > >> this week.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> and
> > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> cos@apache.org
> > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Ok,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > > [VOTE].
> > > >>>> The
> > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> > > order
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> candidate
> > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>  Cos
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > propose
> > > >>>> Denis
> > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> does
> > > >>>> not only
> > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > > >>>> including
> > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > > >>>> somewhat
> > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > discussion
> > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> with
> > > my
> > > >>>> ASF
> > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > >> contribute
> > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > incubation
> > > >>>> days
> > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > >>>> development
> > > >>>>> front.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than
> > 80%
> > > >>>> of project
> > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > > >> While
> > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > >>>>> improved much
> > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> this
> > > is,
> > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood
> > that
> > > >>>> in order
> > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on
> > it
> > > >>>> since.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> > > could
> > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > > >>>> premise than
> > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> to
> > > >>>> constantly
> > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > community
> > > >>>> would
> > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love"
> > was
> > > >>>>> probably the
> > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to
> > do
> > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > really
> > > >>>>> have any special
> > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that
> > > has
> > > >>>> to do
> > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > > >> quite
> > > >>>> a bit.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like
> > to
> > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > >> development
> > > >>>> -- they
> > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -
> > > > Denis
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Alexey Zinoviev <za...@gmail.com>]

Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?

Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?

Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than 1
candidate?

Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?

Thanks

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>:

> Hi Igniters,
>
> I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current projects
> not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
>
> I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC
> Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control outside
> and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> solution.
>
> So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if Alexey
> is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it
> would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:
>
> >
> > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > --
> > Nikita Ivanov
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> like
> > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> fresh
> > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> considered
> > > before.
> > >
> > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > >
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a
> > vote
> > >> this week.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Ok,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > [VOTE].
> > >>>> The
> > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> > order
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>  Cos
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> propose
> > >>>> Denis
> > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> > >>>> not only
> > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > >>>> including
> > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > >>>> somewhat
> > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> discussion
> > >>>>> a little bit.
> > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > >>>> Ignite) member
> > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with
> > my
> > >>>> ASF
> > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > >> contribute
> > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> incubation
> > >>>> days
> > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > >>>> development
> > >>>>> front.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than
> 80%
> > >>>> of project
> > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > >> While
> > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> > >>>> Monocultures
> > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> > >>>>> improved much
> > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this
> > is,
> > >>>>> to a larger
> > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood
> that
> > >>>> in order
> > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on
> it
> > >>>> since.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> > could
> > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > >>>> premise than
> > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > >>>> constantly
> > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > community
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love"
> was
> > >>>>> probably the
> > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to
> do
> > >>>>> that. But lets
> > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> really
> > >>>>> have any special
> > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that
> > has
> > >>>> to do
> > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > >> quite
> > >>>> a bit.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like
> to
> > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > >> development
> > >>>> -- they
> > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -
> > > Denis
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Dmitriy Pavlov <dp...@apache.org>]

Hi Igniters,

I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current projects
not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.

I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC
Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control outside
and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing solution.

So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if Alexey
is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it
would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>:

>
> +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> --
> Nikita Ivanov
>
> > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Igniters,
> >
> > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> > before.
> >
> > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a
> vote
> >> this week.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> >>> holidays at this moment.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok,
> >>>>
> >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> >>>>
> >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> [VOTE].
> >>>> The
> >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> order
> >>>> of
> >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> >>>>
> >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> >>>>  Denis Magda
> >>>>  Branko Čibej
> >>>>
> >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> >>>> First-past-the-post
> >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> >>>>
> >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>  Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> >>>> Denis
> >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> >>>> not only
> >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> >>>> including
> >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> >>>> somewhat
> >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> >>>>> a little bit.
> >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> >>>> Ignite) member
> >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with
> my
> >>>> ASF
> >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> >> contribute
> >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> >>>> days
> >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> >>>> development
> >>>>> front.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> >>>> of project
> >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> >> While
> >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> >>>> Monocultures
> >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> >>>>> improved much
> >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this
> is,
> >>>>> to a larger
> >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> >>>> in order
> >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> >>>>> positive trajectory
> >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> >>>> since.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> could
> >>>>> offer: a renewed
> >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> >>>> premise than
> >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> >>>> constantly
> >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> community
> >>>> would
> >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> >>>>> probably the
> >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> >>>>> that. But lets
> >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> >>>>> have any special
> >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that
> has
> >>>> to do
> >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> >> quite
> >>>> a bit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> >>>>> commit to 6 more
> >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> >> development
> >>>> -- they
> >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Denis
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gridgain.com>]

+1 Alexey Goncharuk
--
Nikita Ivanov

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Igniters,
> 
> It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> before.
> 
> Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> 
> 
> Denis
> 
> 
>> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
>> this week.
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
>>> holidays at this moment.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok,
>>>> 
>>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
>>>> 
>>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
>>>> The
>>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
>>>> of
>>>> their appearance on the thread):
>>>> 
>>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
>>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
>>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
>>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
>>>>  Denis Magda
>>>>  Branko Čibej
>>>> 
>>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
>>>> First-past-the-post
>>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
>>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
>>>> 
>>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>  Cos
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
>>>>> <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
>>>> Denis
>>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
>>>> not only
>>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
>>>> including
>>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
>>>> somewhat
>>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
>>>>> a little bit.
>>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
>>>> Ignite) member
>>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
>>>> ASF
>>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
>> contribute
>>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
>>>> days
>>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
>>>> development
>>>>> front.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
>>>> of project
>>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
>> While
>>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
>>>> Monocultures
>>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
>>>>> improved much
>>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
>>>>> to a larger
>>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
>>>> in order
>>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
>>>>> positive trajectory
>>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
>>>> since.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
>>>>> offer: a renewed
>>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
>>>> premise than
>>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
>>>> constantly
>>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
>>>> would
>>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
>>>>> probably the
>>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
>>>>> that. But lets
>>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
>>>>> have any special
>>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
>>>> to do
>>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
>> quite
>>>> a bit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
>>>>> commit to 6 more
>>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
>> development
>>>> -- they
>>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -
> Denis

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Anton Vinogradov <av...@apache.org>]

+1 to both.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:15 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my
> opinion:
>
> Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
>
> Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> expert with the project's architecture vision.
>
> I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Igniters,
> >
> > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> > before.
> >
> > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a
> vote
> > > this week.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ok,
> > > >>
> > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > >>
> > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> [VOTE].
> > > >> The
> > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> order
> > > >> of
> > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > >>
> > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > >>
> > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > >>
> > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>   Cos
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >> > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> propose
> > > >> Denis
> > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> does
> > > >> not only
> > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > > >> including
> > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > > >> somewhat
> > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> discussion
> > > >> > a little bit.
> > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > >> Ignite) member
> > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> with my
> > > >> ASF
> > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > contribute
> > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> incubation
> > > >> days
> > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > >> development
> > > >> > front.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than
> 80%
> > > >> of project
> > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > > While
> > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > >> Monocultures
> > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > >> > improved much
> > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> this is,
> > > >> > to a larger
> > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood
> that
> > > >> in order
> > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on
> it
> > > >> since.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> could
> > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > > >> premise than
> > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > > >> constantly
> > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> community
> > > >> would
> > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love"
> was
> > > >> > probably the
> > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to
> do
> > > >> > that. But lets
> > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> really
> > > >> > have any special
> > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that has
> > > >> to do
> > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > > quite
> > > >> a bit.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like
> to
> > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > development
> > > >> -- they
> > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Denis
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>]

Folks,

Any other candidates or opinions before I start the vote?

-
Denis


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 2:33 AM Ilya Kasnacheev <il...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> +1 to all three :)
>
> Regards,
> --
> Ilya Kasnacheev
>
>
> вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:24, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:
>
> > IMHO, today Dmitriy Pavlov is the best candidate for this role. He
> > invested a lot into community health and productivity (TC bot and much
> > more).
> >
> > вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:15, Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my
> > opinion:
> > >
> > > Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> > > significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
> > >
> > > Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> > > expert with the project's architecture vision.
> > >
> > > I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> > like
> > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> this
> > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> already
> > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> > fresh
> > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > considered
> > > > before.
> > > >
> > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> > a vote
> > > > > this week.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> > and
> > > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > cos@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Ok,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > [VOTE].
> > > > > >> The
> > > > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> > the order
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > candidate
> > > > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >>   Cos
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >> > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > propose
> > > > > >> Denis
> > > > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> project
> > does
> > > > > >> not only
> > > > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > overall,
> > > > > >> including
> > > > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> offer
> > a
> > > > > >> somewhat
> > > > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > discussion
> > > > > >> > a little bit.
> > > > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
> (on
> > > > > >> Ignite) member
> > > > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> > with my
> > > > > >> ASF
> > > > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > > contribute
> > > > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > incubation
> > > > > >> days
> > > > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> community
> > > > > >> development
> > > > > >> > front.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> > than 80%
> > > > > >> of project
> > > > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our
> > graduation.
> > > > > While
> > > > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > concern.
> > > > > >> Monocultures
> > > > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> > really
> > > > > >> > improved much
> > > > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> > this is,
> > > > > >> > to a larger
> > > > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > understood that
> > > > > >> in order
> > > > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate
> a
> > > > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball
> > on it
> > > > > >> since.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > Chair could
> > > > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> > this
> > > > > >> premise than
> > > > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> function
> > to
> > > > > >> constantly
> > > > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > community
> > > > > >> would
> > > > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > love" was
> > > > > >> > probably the
> > > > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair
> > to do
> > > > > >> > that. But lets
> > > > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > really
> > > > > >> > have any special
> > > > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> > that has
> > > > > >> to do
> > > > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> > help
> > > > > quite
> > > > > >> a bit.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> > like to
> > > > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > development
> > > > > >> -- they
> > > > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -
> > > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Ilya Kasnacheev <il...@gmail.com>]

Hello!

+1 to all three :)

Regards,
-- 
Ilya Kasnacheev


вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:24, Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>:

> IMHO, today Dmitriy Pavlov is the best candidate for this role. He
> invested a lot into community health and productivity (TC bot and much
> more).
>
> вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:15, Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my
> opinion:
> >
> > Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> > significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
> >
> > Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> > expert with the project's architecture vision.
> >
> > I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> like
> > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> fresh
> > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> considered
> > > before.
> > >
> > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > >
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> a vote
> > > > this week.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> and
> > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> cos@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ok,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> [VOTE].
> > > > >> The
> > > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> the order
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > >>
> > > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> candidate
> > > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>   Cos
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >> > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> propose
> > > > >> Denis
> > > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> does
> > > > >> not only
> > > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> overall,
> > > > >> including
> > > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer
> a
> > > > >> somewhat
> > > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> discussion
> > > > >> > a little bit.
> > > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > > >> Ignite) member
> > > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> with my
> > > > >> ASF
> > > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > contribute
> > > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> incubation
> > > > >> days
> > > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > > >> development
> > > > >> > front.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> than 80%
> > > > >> of project
> > > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our
> graduation.
> > > > While
> > > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > > >> Monocultures
> > > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > > >> > improved much
> > > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> this is,
> > > > >> > to a larger
> > > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> understood that
> > > > >> in order
> > > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball
> on it
> > > > >> since.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> Chair could
> > > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> this
> > > > >> premise than
> > > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> to
> > > > >> constantly
> > > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> community
> > > > >> would
> > > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> love" was
> > > > >> > probably the
> > > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair
> to do
> > > > >> > that. But lets
> > > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> really
> > > > >> > have any special
> > > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that has
> > > > >> to do
> > > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> help
> > > > quite
> > > > >> a bit.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> like to
> > > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > development
> > > > >> -- they
> > > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -
> > > Denis
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ivan Pavlukhin
>

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Ivan Pavlukhin <vo...@gmail.com>]

IMHO, today Dmitriy Pavlov is the best candidate for this role. He
invested a lot into community health and productivity (TC bot and much
more).

вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:15, Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>:
>
> Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my opinion:
>
> Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
>
> Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> expert with the project's architecture vision.
>
> I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Igniters,
> >
> > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> > before.
> >
> > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
> > > this week.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ok,
> > > >>
> > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > >>
> > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
> > > >> The
> > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
> > > >> of
> > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > >>
> > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > >>
> > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > >>
> > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>   Cos
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >> > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> > > >> Denis
> > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> > > >> not only
> > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > > >> including
> > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > > >> somewhat
> > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> > > >> > a little bit.
> > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > >> Ignite) member
> > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
> > > >> ASF
> > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > contribute
> > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> > > >> days
> > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > >> development
> > > >> > front.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> > > >> of project
> > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > > While
> > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> > > >> Monocultures
> > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> > > >> > improved much
> > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> > > >> > to a larger
> > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> > > >> in order
> > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> > > >> since.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > > >> premise than
> > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > > >> constantly
> > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
> > > >> would
> > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> > > >> > probably the
> > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> > > >> > that. But lets
> > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> > > >> > have any special
> > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
> > > >> to do
> > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > > quite
> > > >> a bit.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > development
> > > >> -- they
> > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Denis
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.



-- 
Best regards,
Ivan Pavlukhin

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>]

Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my opinion:

Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.

Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
expert with the project's architecture vision.

I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)




On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Igniters,
>
> It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> before.
>
> Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
>
>
> Denis
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
> > this week.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > > holidays at this moment.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok,
> > >>
> > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > >>
> > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
> > >> The
> > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
> > >> of
> > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > >>
> > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > >>   Denis Magda
> > >>   Branko Čibej
> > >>
> > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > >> First-past-the-post
> > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > >>
> > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>   Cos
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >> > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> > >> Denis
> > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> > >> not only
> > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > >> including
> > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > >> >
> > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > >> somewhat
> > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> > >> > a little bit.
> > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > >> Ignite) member
> > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
> > >> ASF
> > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > contribute
> > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> > >> days
> > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > >> development
> > >> > front.
> > >> >
> > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> > >> of project
> > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > While
> > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> > >> Monocultures
> > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > >> >
> > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> > >> > improved much
> > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> > >> > to a larger
> > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> > >> in order
> > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > >> > positive trajectory
> > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> > >> since.
> > >> >
> > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> > >> > offer: a renewed
> > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > >> premise than
> > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > >> constantly
> > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
> > >> would
> > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> > >> > probably the
> > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> > >> > that. But lets
> > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> > >> > have any special
> > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
> > >> to do
> > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > quite
> > >> a bit.
> > >> >
> > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> > >> > commit to 6 more
> > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > development
> > >> -- they
> > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> -
> Denis



--
Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.

Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Denis Magda <dm...@apache.org>]

Igniters,

It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
before.

Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people


Denis


On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
wrote:

> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
> this week.
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <ds...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > holidays at this moment.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> >>
> >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
> >> The
> >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
> >> of
> >> their appearance on the thread):
> >>
> >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> >>   Denis Magda
> >>   Branko Čibej
> >>
> >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> >> First-past-the-post
> >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> >>
> >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>   Cos
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >> > <ds...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> >> Denis
> >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> >> not only
> >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> >> including
> >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> >> somewhat
> >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> >> > a little bit.
> >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> >> Ignite) member
> >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
> >> ASF
> >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> contribute
> >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> >> days
> >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> >> development
> >> > front.
> >> >
> >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> >> of project
> >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> While
> >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> >> Monocultures
> >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> >> >
> >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> >> > improved much
> >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> >> > to a larger
> >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> >> in order
> >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> >> > positive trajectory
> >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> >> since.
> >> >
> >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> >> > offer: a renewed
> >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> >> premise than
> >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> >> constantly
> >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
> >> would
> >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> >> > probably the
> >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> >> >
> >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> >> > that. But lets
> >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> >> > have any special
> >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
> >> to do
> >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> quite
> >> a bit.
> >> >
> >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> >> > commit to 6 more
> >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> development
> >> -- they
> >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> >>
> >
> >
>


-- 
-
Denis