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[JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be
longer
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Kevin Menard commented on CAY-887:
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This is really a loaded issue. Please separate future issues into individual JIRA issues.
I've addressed 1, 2, and 3, but 4 requires someone to generate an icon of the appropriate size to appear in the menu. Given enough time, I'm sure I could find the tools to do it, but it'd be best for somebody else. If you would really like to see it happen, please open up a new issue for it. Otherwise, I don't want to keep this one open just for that.
> CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Key: CAY-887
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/cayenne/browse/CAY-887
> Project: Cayenne
> Issue Type: New Feature
> Components: CayenneModeler GUI
> Reporter: Thomas Bernhard
> Assignee: Kevin Menard
>
> #1 Recent Files should be renamed to "Recent Projects"
> #2 Please extend the list from 4 to 12 elements. With only 4 elements only, this featre it is almost useless. Working with more projects, always require using the "Open" Dialog.
> #3 Add a number in front of each recent (file)project.
> #4 Use a better icon (not the open folder icon) since the files from the list are "cayenne projects" so the cayenne icon would be better.
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Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Ahmed Mohombe wrote:
>> I suggest we remove the ordering all together.
> :(. IMHO it was a very good idea if done right.
If it is made to a menu item mnemonic (as opposed to a part of the
label), that's another story. I agree.
Andrus
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list
shold be longer
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
Okay. That's distinctly not what I had done. If you'd like to see this
implemented, please open up a separate JIRA for it. That one had too many
things going on anyway.
--
Kevin
On 10/25/07 12:53 PM, "Ahmed Mohombe" <am...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> If you ask me, "#3 Add a number in front of each recent (file)project"
>> is a non-feature anyways, as the order changes every time you open
>> another project, as the most recent one is pushed on top.
> What's important is not that the order changes but that the number is
> a mnemonic too so the application can be used totally by the keyboard.
>
>> At least on
>> Mac I don't remember any apps using the numbering.
> Just take a look at the many applications on windows and you will see this
> numbering:
> Just a few: Photoshop, Eclipse(like menu items -> not submenu items), MS
> Office, etc.
>
>> I suggest we remove
>> the ordering all together.
> :(. IMHO it was a very good idea if done right.
>
> Ahmed.
>
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold
be longer
Posted by Ahmed Mohombe <am...@yahoo.com>.
> If you ask me, "#3 Add a number in front of each recent (file)project"
> is a non-feature anyways, as the order changes every time you open
> another project, as the most recent one is pushed on top.
What's important is not that the order changes but that the number is
a mnemonic too so the application can be used totally by the keyboard.
> At least on
> Mac I don't remember any apps using the numbering.
Just take a look at the many applications on windows and you will see this numbering:
Just a few: Photoshop, Eclipse(like menu items -> not submenu items), MS Office, etc.
> I suggest we remove
> the ordering all together.
:(. IMHO it was a very good idea if done right.
Ahmed.
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list
shold be longer
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
Fair enough. My stance on it was that it didn't hurt anything and a user
asked for it. I was rather indifferent about it anyway.
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Kevin
On 10/25/07 12:27 PM, "Andrus Adamchik" <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> Also once I open a project via open dialog, the numbers are gone.
>
> If you ask me, "#3 Add a number in front of each recent (file)
> project" is a non-feature anyways, as the order changes every time
> you open another project, as the most recent one is pushed on top. At
> least on Mac I don't remember any apps using the numbering. I suggest
> we remove the ordering all together.
>
> Andrus
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Kevin Menard (JIRA) wrote:
>>
>>> This is really a loaded issue. Please separate future issues into
>>> individual JIRA issues.
>>>
>>> I've addressed 1, 2, and 3, but 4 requires someone to generate an
>>> icon of the appropriate size to appear in the menu. Given enough
>>> time, I'm sure I could find the tools to do it, but it'd be best
>>> for somebody else. If you would really like to see it happen,
>>> please open up a new issue for it. Otherwise, I don't want to
>>> keep this one open just for that.
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>> looks like the function is broken now. Every time I open anything
>> from history, a File dialog appears, instead of simply opening the
>> file. I suspect the file name passed to the action method is now
>> invalid, including the numeric prefix.
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>
>
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Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Also once I open a project via open dialog, the numbers are gone.
If you ask me, "#3 Add a number in front of each recent (file)
project" is a non-feature anyways, as the order changes every time
you open another project, as the most recent one is pushed on top. At
least on Mac I don't remember any apps using the numbering. I suggest
we remove the ordering all together.
Andrus
On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Kevin Menard (JIRA) wrote:
>
>> This is really a loaded issue. Please separate future issues into
>> individual JIRA issues.
>>
>> I've addressed 1, 2, and 3, but 4 requires someone to generate an
>> icon of the appropriate size to appear in the menu. Given enough
>> time, I'm sure I could find the tools to do it, but it'd be best
>> for somebody else. If you would really like to see it happen,
>> please open up a new issue for it. Otherwise, I don't want to
>> keep this one open just for that.
>
> Kevin,
>
> looks like the function is broken now. Every time I open anything
> from history, a File dialog appears, instead of simply opening the
> file. I suspect the file name passed to the action method is now
> invalid, including the numeric prefix.
>
> Andrus
>
>
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list
shold be longer
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
On 10/25/07 12:39 PM, "Andrus Adamchik" <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> Works well now. Thanks!
Glad to hear. I've not really done much with the Modeler before, so I took
on the task to get a bit more accustomed to the codebase. I wasn't really
sure what was going to happen :-P
--
Kevin
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Works well now. Thanks!
On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:36 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> Done. Please let me know if you still have problems.
>
> --
> Kevin
>
>
> On 10/25/07 12:34 PM, "Andrus Adamchik" <an...@objectstyle.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>>
>>> I can back out the change, however, if it is indeed
>>> problematic.
>>
>> Just this one piece please - the numbering. I think the rest of it is
>> good.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andrus
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list
shold be longer
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
Done. Please let me know if you still have problems.
--
Kevin
On 10/25/07 12:34 PM, "Andrus Adamchik" <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
> On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>
>> I can back out the change, however, if it is indeed
>> problematic.
>
> Just this one piece please - the numbering. I think the rest of it is
> good.
>
> Thanks
> Andrus
>
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Oct 25, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> I can back out the change, however, if it is indeed
> problematic.
Just this one piece please - the numbering. I think the rest of it is
good.
Thanks
Andrus
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list
shold be longer
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
Interesting. I don't see that behavior at all :-/
In fact, the only way I could test the feature was to open a whole bunch of
Cayenne project files. I can back out the change, however, if it is indeed
problematic.
On 10/25/07 12:23 PM, "Andrus Adamchik" <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Kevin Menard (JIRA) wrote:
>
>> This is really a loaded issue. Please separate future issues into
>> individual JIRA issues.
>>
>> I've addressed 1, 2, and 3, but 4 requires someone to generate an
>> icon of the appropriate size to appear in the menu. Given enough
>> time, I'm sure I could find the tools to do it, but it'd be best
>> for somebody else. If you would really like to see it happen,
>> please open up a new issue for it. Otherwise, I don't want to keep
>> this one open just for that.
>
> Kevin,
>
> looks like the function is broken now. Every time I open anything
> from history, a File dialog appears, instead of simply opening the
> file. I suspect the file name passed to the action method is now
> invalid, including the numeric prefix.
>
> Andrus
>
--
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Kevin Menard (JIRA) wrote:
> This is really a loaded issue. Please separate future issues into
> individual JIRA issues.
>
> I've addressed 1, 2, and 3, but 4 requires someone to generate an
> icon of the appropriate size to appear in the menu. Given enough
> time, I'm sure I could find the tools to do it, but it'd be best
> for somebody else. If you would really like to see it happen,
> please open up a new issue for it. Otherwise, I don't want to keep
> this one open just for that.
Kevin,
looks like the function is broken now. Every time I open anything
from history, a File dialog appears, instead of simply opening the
file. I suspect the file name passed to the action method is now
invalid, including the numeric prefix.
Andrus
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Charles Matthew Chen <ch...@gmail.com>.
You can definitely resize icons using Sanselan - it is quite easy -
but you're not likely to be satisfied with the results; icons, being
small and unusually dense, are easily damaged by resampling and
reduction of bit depth.
Charles.
On 10/24/07, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> Forwarding this to the sanselan folks who have a project to
> manipulate images.
>
> I wonder if there is a feature in sanselan that does this kind of stuff.
>
> Craig
>
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>
> > On 10/24/07 7:54 PM, "Aristedes Maniatis" <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I've got the tools for that. What pixel size do you want and what
> >> colour depth? There is already a nice OSX Finder icon which could be
> >> adapted.
> >>
> >
> > Great. I guess it would be the same size as the other icons in the
> > resources directory.
> >
> > When it comes to resizing raster graphic files, I've never been
> > able to do
> > it and make it look good. So, any help would be much appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Kevin
> >
>
> Craig Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
>
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Charles Matthew Chen <ch...@gmail.com>.
You can definitely resize icons using Sanselan - it is quite easy -
but you're not likely to be satisfied with the results; icons, being
small and unusually dense, are easily damaged by resampling and
reduction of bit depth.
Charles.
On 10/24/07, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> Forwarding this to the sanselan folks who have a project to
> manipulate images.
>
> I wonder if there is a feature in sanselan that does this kind of stuff.
>
> Craig
>
> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
>
> > On 10/24/07 7:54 PM, "Aristedes Maniatis" <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I've got the tools for that. What pixel size do you want and what
> >> colour depth? There is already a nice OSX Finder icon which could be
> >> adapted.
> >>
> >
> > Great. I guess it would be the same size as the other icons in the
> > resources directory.
> >
> > When it comes to resizing raster graphic files, I've never been
> > able to do
> > it and make it look good. So, any help would be much appreciated.
> >
> > --
> > Kevin
> >
>
> Craig Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
>
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold
be longer
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Forwarding this to the sanselan folks who have a project to
manipulate images.
I wonder if there is a feature in sanselan that does this kind of stuff.
Craig
On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> On 10/24/07 7:54 PM, "Aristedes Maniatis" <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got the tools for that. What pixel size do you want and what
>> colour depth? There is already a nice OSX Finder icon which could be
>> adapted.
>>
>
> Great. I guess it would be the same size as the other icons in the
> resources directory.
>
> When it comes to resizing raster graphic files, I've never been
> able to do
> it and make it look good. So, any help would be much appreciated.
>
> --
> Kevin
>
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list
shold be longer
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
On 10/24/07 11:19 PM, "Aristedes Maniatis" <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
> Oh, I see now. I thought the OP meant the icon which appears only in
> Windows frames (I am using OSX so I don't see them). But he meant the
> 'open folder' icon in the toolbar and menu. I don't agree that this
> should be changed to the Cayenne logo since then the original meaning
> (open file) is completely obscured. By the same reasoning all icons
> could be Cayenne logos since they all do something "cayenne".
>
> I'll leave it as is.
Yeah, that's why I didn't have any hard feelings about closing it. I think
the intent is for something similar to how the OS associates a program's
icon with a file if the program association is configured. I could go
either way on it, particularly because one could argue that the menu
expansion is the "open" action and that the selection should then refer to
the file.
--
Kevin
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 25/10/2007, at 11:53 AM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> Great. I guess it would be the same size as the other icons in the
> resources directory.
>
> When it comes to resizing raster graphic files, I've never been
> able to do
> it and make it look good. So, any help would be much appreciated.
Oh, I see now. I thought the OP meant the icon which appears only in
Windows frames (I am using OSX so I don't see them). But he meant the
'open folder' icon in the toolbar and menu. I don't agree that this
should be changed to the Cayenne logo since then the original meaning
(open file) is completely obscured. By the same reasoning all icons
could be Cayenne logos since they all do something "cayenne".
I'll leave it as is.
Ari Maniatis
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Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold
be longer
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Forwarding this to the sanselan folks who have a project to
manipulate images.
I wonder if there is a feature in sanselan that does this kind of stuff.
Craig
On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:53 PM, Kevin Menard wrote:
> On 10/24/07 7:54 PM, "Aristedes Maniatis" <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got the tools for that. What pixel size do you want and what
>> colour depth? There is already a nice OSX Finder icon which could be
>> adapted.
>>
>
> Great. I guess it would be the same size as the other icons in the
> resources directory.
>
> When it comes to resizing raster graphic files, I've never been
> able to do
> it and make it look good. So, any help would be much appreciated.
>
> --
> Kevin
>
Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list
shold be longer
Posted by Kevin Menard <km...@servprise.com>.
On 10/24/07 7:54 PM, "Aristedes Maniatis" <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>
> I've got the tools for that. What pixel size do you want and what
> colour depth? There is already a nice OSX Finder icon which could be
> adapted.
>
Great. I guess it would be the same size as the other icons in the
resources directory.
When it comes to resizing raster graphic files, I've never been able to do
it and make it look good. So, any help would be much appreciated.
--
Kevin
Re: [JIRA] Commented: (CAY-887) CM Usability:Recent Files list shold be longer
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 25/10/2007, at 1:48 AM, Kevin Menard (JIRA) wrote:
> I've addressed 1, 2, and 3, but 4 requires someone to generate an
> icon of the appropriate size to appear in the menu. Given enough
> time, I'm sure I could find the tools to do it, but it'd be best
> for somebody else. If you would really like to see it happen,
> please open up a new issue for it. Otherwise, I don't want to keep
> this one open just for that.
I've got the tools for that. What pixel size do you want and what
colour depth? There is already a nice OSX Finder icon which could be
adapted.
Ari
-------------------------->
Aristedes Maniatis
phone +61 2 9660 9700
PGP fingerprint 08 57 20 4B 80 69 59 E2 A9 BF 2D 48 C2 20 0C C8