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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by Rick Hillegas <Ri...@Sun.COM> on 2008/07/30 23:34:26 UTC
blanket software grant
I would like to checkin a set of localizations for newly added Derby
error messages. The localizations, for eight languages, were prepared by
a translating team inside my company. I believe that I need a software
grant to cover this contribution. My company seems willing to contribute
similar translations for future releases as well. Can the grant be
general enough that it covers not just the immediate contribution but
also future localizations?
Thanks,
-Rick
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Re: blanket software grant
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@apache.org>.
Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hi Jean,
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>> Craig L Russell wrote:
>>> Sun has a master agreement (specially negotiated CCLA) with Apache.
>>> My advice is to have your VP (Marten) sign an Attachment A to the
>>> master agreement and then post the donation on the IP Clearance
>>> incubation site for review. This is how large donations to Apache
>>> Derby have been handled in the past. And the DB PMC is comfortable
>>> with this process.
>>>
>>> Anyone paying attention to the Derby commit log will notice the
>>> localizations and realize that it could not possibly have been your
>>> own individual work, and question whether you have the authority to
>>> commit it. So rather than have a long dialog on the Derby alias, you
>>> can just follow the time-worn process.
>>>
>> Or perhaps a short dialogue on derby dev explaining exactly what Rick
>> did in his post to legal-discuss, that he wants to checkin updated
>> files "prepared by a translating team inside" his company and that
>> his employer authorizes him to contribute them under his icla. And
>> the URL pointing to this email thread. :-)
>>
>> --I'm the first one to ask for software grants when I think they are
>> really needed. In this case, I really question it because the message
>> files go through a translation cycle on each release round. Requiring
>> a software grant for each iteration seems unnecessarily heavyweight.
>
> I agree.
>>
>> The feedback Roy (and Sam on the other thread I started) provided
>> makes me feel comfortable that the icla is sufficient for this
>> specific case.
>
> The IP clearance process is somewhat heavy for a known, repeated,
> expected contribution. My only concern here is that we don't spend
> more time discussing what to do than we would have spent doing it.
>
> Perhaps a wiki page in the Derby area documenting what you've just
> explained would do it. And when the expected contribution arrives, the
> JIRA with the patch would have a reference to the wiki page which in
> turn would refer to these discussions.
Sounds good. Let's move the discussion back to derby-dev.
thanks, all,
-jean
>>
>> Craig, what do you think?
>
> I'm not at all concerned about how it's done, as long as the process
> is repeatable.
>
> Craig
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> -jean
>>
>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would like to checkin a set of localizations for newly added
>>>>> Derby error messages. The localizations, for eight languages, were
>>>>> prepared by a translating team inside my company. I believe that I
>>>>> need a software grant to cover this contribution. My company seems
>>>>> willing to contribute similar translations for future releases as
>>>>> well. Can the grant be general enough that it covers not just the
>>>>> immediate contribution but also future localizations?
>>>>
>>>> If you have permission from your company, you can contribute them
>>>> under
>>>> your own ICLA. However, it is better for your sake (not Apache's)
>>>> that
>>>> you have a signed CCLA in place that formally says you have permission
>>>> to commit stuff that is copyright the company. Only one CCLA is
>>>> needed
>>>> for all such commits.
>>>>
>>>> ....Roy
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not
>>>> constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions
>>>> and policies of the ASF. See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for
>>>> official ASF policies and documents.
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>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>
>>
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>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
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Re: blanket software grant
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Jean,
On Jul 30, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Craig L Russell wrote:
>> Sun has a master agreement (specially negotiated CCLA) with Apache.
>> My advice is to have your VP (Marten) sign an Attachment A to the
>> master agreement and then post the donation on the IP Clearance
>> incubation site for review. This is how large donations to Apache
>> Derby have been handled in the past. And the DB PMC is comfortable
>> with this process.
>>
>> Anyone paying attention to the Derby commit log will notice the
>> localizations and realize that it could not possibly have been your
>> own individual work, and question whether you have the authority to
>> commit it. So rather than have a long dialog on the Derby alias,
>> you can just follow the time-worn process.
>>
>
> Or perhaps a short dialogue on derby dev explaining exactly what
> Rick did in his post to legal-discuss, that he wants to checkin
> updated files "prepared by a translating team inside" his company
> and that his employer authorizes him to contribute them under his
> icla. And the URL pointing to this email thread. :-)
>
> --I'm the first one to ask for software grants when I think they are
> really needed. In this case, I really question it because the
> message files go through a translation cycle on each release round.
> Requiring a software grant for each iteration seems unnecessarily
> heavyweight.
I agree.
>
>
> The feedback Roy (and Sam on the other thread I started) provided
> makes me feel comfortable that the icla is sufficient for this
> specific case.
The IP clearance process is somewhat heavy for a known, repeated,
expected contribution. My only concern here is that we don't spend
more time discussing what to do than we would have spent doing it.
Perhaps a wiki page in the Derby area documenting what you've just
explained would do it. And when the expected contribution arrives, the
JIRA with the patch would have a reference to the wiki page which in
turn would refer to these discussions.
>
> Craig, what do you think?
I'm not at all concerned about how it's done, as long as the process
is repeatable.
Craig
>
>
> thanks,
>
> -jean
>
>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to checkin a set of localizations for newly added
>>>> Derby error messages. The localizations, for eight languages,
>>>> were prepared by a translating team inside my company. I believe
>>>> that I need a software grant to cover this contribution. My
>>>> company seems willing to contribute similar translations for
>>>> future releases as well. Can the grant be general enough that it
>>>> covers not just the immediate contribution but also future
>>>> localizations?
>>>
>>> If you have permission from your company, you can contribute them
>>> under
>>> your own ICLA. However, it is better for your sake (not Apache's)
>>> that
>>> you have a signed CCLA in place that formally says you have
>>> permission
>>> to commit stuff that is copyright the company. Only one CCLA is
>>> needed
>>> for all such commits.
>>>
>>> ....Roy
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and
>>> educational
>>> only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not
>>> constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions
>>> and policies of the ASF. See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for
>>> official ASF policies and documents.
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org
>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/
>> jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not
> constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions
> and policies of the ASF. See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for
> official ASF policies and documents.
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>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: blanket software grant
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@apache.org>.
Craig L Russell wrote:
> Sun has a master agreement (specially negotiated CCLA) with Apache. My
> advice is to have your VP (Marten) sign an Attachment A to the master
> agreement and then post the donation on the IP Clearance incubation
> site for review. This is how large donations to Apache Derby have been
> handled in the past. And the DB PMC is comfortable with this process.
>
> Anyone paying attention to the Derby commit log will notice the
> localizations and realize that it could not possibly have been your
> own individual work, and question whether you have the authority to
> commit it. So rather than have a long dialog on the Derby alias, you
> can just follow the time-worn process.
>
Or perhaps a short dialogue on derby dev explaining exactly what Rick
did in his post to legal-discuss, that he wants to checkin updated files
"prepared by a translating team inside" his company and that his
employer authorizes him to contribute them under his icla. And the URL
pointing to this email thread. :-)
--I'm the first one to ask for software grants when I think they are
really needed. In this case, I really question it because the message
files go through a translation cycle on each release round. Requiring a
software grant for each iteration seems unnecessarily heavyweight.
The feedback Roy (and Sam on the other thread I started) provided makes
me feel comfortable that the icla is sufficient for this specific case.
Craig, what do you think?
thanks,
-jean
> Craig
>
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>
>> On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to checkin a set of localizations for newly added Derby
>>> error messages. The localizations, for eight languages, were
>>> prepared by a translating team inside my company. I believe that I
>>> need a software grant to cover this contribution. My company seems
>>> willing to contribute similar translations for future releases as
>>> well. Can the grant be general enough that it covers not just the
>>> immediate contribution but also future localizations?
>>
>> If you have permission from your company, you can contribute them under
>> your own ICLA. However, it is better for your sake (not Apache's) that
>> you have a signed CCLA in place that formally says you have permission
>> to commit stuff that is copyright the company. Only one CCLA is needed
>> for all such commits.
>>
>> ....Roy
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational
>> only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not
>> constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions
>> and policies of the ASF. See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for
>> official ASF policies and documents.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org
>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
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Re: blanket software grant
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Sun has a master agreement (specially negotiated CCLA) with Apache. My
advice is to have your VP (Marten) sign an Attachment A to the master
agreement and then post the donation on the IP Clearance incubation
site for review. This is how large donations to Apache Derby have been
handled in the past. And the DB PMC is comfortable with this process.
Anyone paying attention to the Derby commit log will notice the
localizations and realize that it could not possibly have been your
own individual work, and question whether you have the authority to
commit it. So rather than have a long dialog on the Derby alias, you
can just follow the time-worn process.
Craig
On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>
>> I would like to checkin a set of localizations for newly added
>> Derby error messages. The localizations, for eight languages, were
>> prepared by a translating team inside my company. I believe that I
>> need a software grant to cover this contribution. My company seems
>> willing to contribute similar translations for future releases as
>> well. Can the grant be general enough that it covers not just the
>> immediate contribution but also future localizations?
>
> If you have permission from your company, you can contribute them
> under
> your own ICLA. However, it is better for your sake (not Apache's)
> that
> you have a signed CCLA in place that formally says you have permission
> to commit stuff that is copyright the company. Only one CCLA is
> needed
> for all such commits.
>
> ....Roy
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational
> only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not
> constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions
> and policies of the ASF. See <http://www.apache.org/licenses/> for
> official ASF policies and documents.
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>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: blanket software grant
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
On Jul 30, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
> I would like to checkin a set of localizations for newly added
> Derby error messages. The localizations, for eight languages, were
> prepared by a translating team inside my company. I believe that I
> need a software grant to cover this contribution. My company seems
> willing to contribute similar translations for future releases as
> well. Can the grant be general enough that it covers not just the
> immediate contribution but also future localizations?
If you have permission from your company, you can contribute them under
your own ICLA. However, it is better for your sake (not Apache's) that
you have a signed CCLA in place that formally says you have permission
to commit stuff that is copyright the company. Only one CCLA is needed
for all such commits.
....Roy
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