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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Hi Justin,
Happy new year!
Regarding the feedback you gave us:
1. 3rd party logos being eaten by pacman on the homepage: We have removed
this animation, and created a ticket to follow-up with Trademarks for
future usage of that animation.
2. nofollow attribute missing in links to external entities: We have added
nofollow attributes to such links.
3. Google analytics on homepage: We have removed the usage of Google
Analytics.
4. Docker not following guidelines: We have deleted the pre-apache repo (
https://hub.docker.com/r/gobblin ), and updated the apache/gobblin on
DockerHub to bring it inline with the guidelines.
Please let us know if this addresses the issues that you had identified?
Thanks,
Abhishek
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:37 PM Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> Thanks for your detailed review. Regarding the identified issues:
>
> *> I suggest you run your home page past trademarks. There's a large
> number of 3rd party logos used without attribution there and I’m not sure
> how some of those trademark owners would feel about a*
> *> pacman eating their logos. *
> 1. Yes, it would be good to review this further with the trademarks, until
> then we will remove this from our home page.
>
> *> You also have links on your home page to various commercial entires
> without the no follow attribute. In general there should be no links to 3rd
> parties on your front page, they can images or links on *
> *> another page but they should be no-follow links.*
> 2. will add no-follow attribute and move them to some other page for
> better hygiene like you suggested
>
> > *Your home page also includes google analytic, while policy has not be
> set, the general advice is to not use Google Analytics and at some future
> point it’s likely that all ASF projects will be asked to stop *
> *> using it.*
> 3. didn't know about this convention, will remove it. Is there an
> alternate recommendation for this?
>
> *> I note that until very recently you have not voted in any PPMC members.
> Is there a reason for that?*
> 4. There was an error in voting early on, where we voted in Tamas and
> Sudarshan as only committers but not PPMCs (although we wanted to invite
> them as PPMCs), so to retroactively fix the issue, by recommendation of our
> mentor we re-ran the vote and invited them to PPMC.
>
> > *Your docker releases [1][2] are not following the guidelines here. [3]*
> 5. will check on docker and get back.
>
> Thanks,
> Abhishek
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 5:14 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I suggest you run your home page past trademarks. There's a large number
>> of 3rd party logos used without attribution there and I’m not sure how some
>> of those trademark owners would feel about a pacman eating their logos. You
>> also have links on your home page to various commercial entires without the
>> no follow attribute. In general there should be no links to 3rd parties on
>> your front page, they can images or links on another page but they should
>> be no-follow links.
>>
>> Your home page also includes google analytic, while policy has not be
>> set, the general advice is to not use Google Analytics and at some future
>> point it’s likely that all ASF projects will be asked to stop using it.
>>
>> I note that until very recently you have not voted in any PPMC members.
>> Is there a reason for that?
>>
>> Your docker releases [1][2] are not following the guidelines here. [3]
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>> 1. https://hub.docker.com/r/gobblin
>> 2, https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/gobblin
>> 3. https://incubator.apache.org/guides/distribution.html#docker
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
For 1: I have removed the remaining logos from the "Execution Modes"
section on homepage
For 2: I have removed unreleased tags from docker (which were all the tags
published so far)
Please review.
Abhishek
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:51 PM Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> Thanks for the review again.
>
> 1. I see that we missed the logos under "Execution Modes", I will remove
> those as well.
>
> 4. Regarding docker, per policy [1] I thought unreleased tags are fine
> (ie. if its nightly or snapshot), where-as the *latest* tag should point
> to an (approved) released code. Seems like my understanding was incorrect,
> so I will remove the unreleased tags from there as well.
>
> [1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/distribution.html#docker
>
> Abhishek
>
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:30 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> HI,
>>
>> > 1. 3rd party logos being eaten by pacman on the homepage: We have
>> removed
>> > this animation, and created a ticket to follow-up with Trademarks for
>> > future usage of that animation.
>>
>> There are still trademarks on that page that are not mentioned in the
>> footer disclaimer. You might also have to look at [1][2][3][4] on what you
>> can and cannot do with these 3rd party trademarks.
>>
>> > 4. Docker not following guidelines: We have deleted the pre-apache repo
>> (
>> > https://hub.docker.com/r/gobblin ), and updated the apache/gobblin on
>> > DockerHub to bring it inline with the guidelines.
>>
>> It looks like you may have unrealised code available via docker? [5]
>> Please note this [6] from the distribution policy. In particular unreleased
>> materials must not be distributed through channels which encourage use by
>> anyone outside the project development community.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>> 1. https://www.oracle.com/legal/trademarks.html
>> 2. https://www.oracle.com/legal/logos.html
>> 3.
>> http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/java-licensing-logo-guidelines-1908204.pdf
>> 4. https://aws.amazon.com/trademark-guidelines/
>> 5.
>> https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/gobblin/tags?page=1&ordering=last_updated
>> 6. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org>.
Thanks Justin.
Regards,
Abhishek
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 3:54 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for doing that - everything looks OK to me.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for doing that - everything looks OK to me.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org>.
Hi Owen, Justin,
Thanks for discussing this.
I had filed a ticket for a follow-up with the trademarks:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GOBBLIN-1347
And, I have just now also started a thread with the trademarks to clarify
on the process / rules going forward: https://s.apache.org/pp2ce
which we will refer to in the future if we want to add any non-Apache logos.
Thanks,
Abhishek
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 5:16 PM Owen O'Malley <ow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Talking to Justin, although you removed the non-Apache logos from the
> Gobblin home page, he would still like you to start a discussion with
> trademarks to clarify what would be required to use them. That way, we'll
> know the rules going forward.
>
> Thanks,
> Owen
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:30 PM Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > Please let us know if this addresses the points that you had brought
> > forward, and if we can move forward with the graduation?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Abhishek
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:20 PM Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for clarifying. So far, we are experimenting with Docker, so not
> > > many downloads had happened (except from a few devs). We will tag it
> > > clearly that they are not for public consumption if we enable
> publishing
> > > nightly in future.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Abhishek
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:10 PM Justin Mclean <
> justin@classsoftware.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> HI,
> > >>
> > >> > 4. Regarding docker, per policy [1] I thought unreleased tags are
> fine
> > >> (ie.
> > >> > if its nightly or snapshot), where-as the *latest* tag should point
> to
> > >> an
> > >> > (approved) released code. Seems like my understanding was incorrect,
> > so
> > >> I
> > >> > will remove the unreleased tags from there as well.
> > >>
> > >> You're correct that the latest tag should point to the the last
> approved
> > >> release version of the code. I was not sure this was happening in this
> > >> case. Re other tags it's generally OK if they are very clearly marked
> as
> > >> not for public consumption/for project internal development use only.
> If
> > >> they get excessive number of downloads you may need to reconsider
> > putting
> > >> them there as it may be the general public is using them.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Justin
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> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Owen O'Malley <ow...@gmail.com>.
Talking to Justin, although you removed the non-Apache logos from the
Gobblin home page, he would still like you to start a discussion with
trademarks to clarify what would be required to use them. That way, we'll
know the rules going forward.
Thanks,
Owen
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:30 PM Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Justin,
>
> Please let us know if this addresses the points that you had brought
> forward, and if we can move forward with the graduation?
>
> Thanks,
> Abhishek
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:20 PM Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for clarifying. So far, we are experimenting with Docker, so not
> > many downloads had happened (except from a few devs). We will tag it
> > clearly that they are not for public consumption if we enable publishing
> > nightly in future.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Abhishek
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:10 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> HI,
> >>
> >> > 4. Regarding docker, per policy [1] I thought unreleased tags are fine
> >> (ie.
> >> > if its nightly or snapshot), where-as the *latest* tag should point to
> >> an
> >> > (approved) released code. Seems like my understanding was incorrect,
> so
> >> I
> >> > will remove the unreleased tags from there as well.
> >>
> >> You're correct that the latest tag should point to the the last approved
> >> release version of the code. I was not sure this was happening in this
> >> case. Re other tags it's generally OK if they are very clearly marked as
> >> not for public consumption/for project internal development use only. If
> >> they get excessive number of downloads you may need to reconsider
> putting
> >> them there as it may be the general public is using them.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Justin
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> >>
> >>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
Please let us know if this addresses the points that you had brought
forward, and if we can move forward with the graduation?
Thanks,
Abhishek
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:20 PM Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org> wrote:
> Thanks for clarifying. So far, we are experimenting with Docker, so not
> many downloads had happened (except from a few devs). We will tag it
> clearly that they are not for public consumption if we enable publishing
> nightly in future.
>
> Thanks,
> Abhishek
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:10 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>> HI,
>>
>> > 4. Regarding docker, per policy [1] I thought unreleased tags are fine
>> (ie.
>> > if its nightly or snapshot), where-as the *latest* tag should point to
>> an
>> > (approved) released code. Seems like my understanding was incorrect, so
>> I
>> > will remove the unreleased tags from there as well.
>>
>> You're correct that the latest tag should point to the the last approved
>> release version of the code. I was not sure this was happening in this
>> case. Re other tags it's generally OK if they are very clearly marked as
>> not for public consumption/for project internal development use only. If
>> they get excessive number of downloads you may need to reconsider putting
>> them there as it may be the general public is using them.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
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>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org>.
Thanks for clarifying. So far, we are experimenting with Docker, so not
many downloads had happened (except from a few devs). We will tag it
clearly that they are not for public consumption if we enable publishing
nightly in future.
Thanks,
Abhishek
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:10 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> HI,
>
> > 4. Regarding docker, per policy [1] I thought unreleased tags are fine
> (ie.
> > if its nightly or snapshot), where-as the *latest* tag should point to an
> > (approved) released code. Seems like my understanding was incorrect, so I
> > will remove the unreleased tags from there as well.
>
> You're correct that the latest tag should point to the the last approved
> release version of the code. I was not sure this was happening in this
> case. Re other tags it's generally OK if they are very clearly marked as
> not for public consumption/for project internal development use only. If
> they get excessive number of downloads you may need to reconsider putting
> them there as it may be the general public is using them.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> 4. Regarding docker, per policy [1] I thought unreleased tags are fine (ie.
> if its nightly or snapshot), where-as the *latest* tag should point to an
> (approved) released code. Seems like my understanding was incorrect, so I
> will remove the unreleased tags from there as well.
You're correct that the latest tag should point to the the last approved release version of the code. I was not sure this was happening in this case. Re other tags it's generally OK if they are very clearly marked as not for public consumption/for project internal development use only. If they get excessive number of downloads you may need to reconsider putting them there as it may be the general public is using them.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org>.
Hi Justin,
Thanks for the review again.
1. I see that we missed the logos under "Execution Modes", I will remove
those as well.
4. Regarding docker, per policy [1] I thought unreleased tags are fine (ie.
if its nightly or snapshot), where-as the *latest* tag should point to an
(approved) released code. Seems like my understanding was incorrect, so I
will remove the unreleased tags from there as well.
[1] https://incubator.apache.org/guides/distribution.html#docker
Abhishek
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 6:30 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> HI,
>
> > 1. 3rd party logos being eaten by pacman on the homepage: We have removed
> > this animation, and created a ticket to follow-up with Trademarks for
> > future usage of that animation.
>
> There are still trademarks on that page that are not mentioned in the
> footer disclaimer. You might also have to look at [1][2][3][4] on what you
> can and cannot do with these 3rd party trademarks.
>
> > 4. Docker not following guidelines: We have deleted the pre-apache repo (
> > https://hub.docker.com/r/gobblin ), and updated the apache/gobblin on
> > DockerHub to bring it inline with the guidelines.
>
> It looks like you may have unrealised code available via docker? [5]
> Please note this [6] from the distribution policy. In particular unreleased
> materials must not be distributed through channels which encourage use by
> anyone outside the project development community.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.oracle.com/legal/trademarks.html
> 2. https://www.oracle.com/legal/logos.html
> 3.
> http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/java-licensing-logo-guidelines-1908204.pdf
> 4. https://aws.amazon.com/trademark-guidelines/
> 5.
> https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/gobblin/tags?page=1&ordering=last_updated
> 6. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Gobblin (Incubating) as a TLP
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> 1. 3rd party logos being eaten by pacman on the homepage: We have removed
> this animation, and created a ticket to follow-up with Trademarks for
> future usage of that animation.
There are still trademarks on that page that are not mentioned in the footer disclaimer. You might also have to look at [1][2][3][4] on what you can and cannot do with these 3rd party trademarks.
> 4. Docker not following guidelines: We have deleted the pre-apache repo (
> https://hub.docker.com/r/gobblin ), and updated the apache/gobblin on
> DockerHub to bring it inline with the guidelines.
It looks like you may have unrealised code available via docker? [5] Please note this [6] from the distribution policy. In particular unreleased materials must not be distributed through channels which encourage use by anyone outside the project development community.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.oracle.com/legal/trademarks.html
2. https://www.oracle.com/legal/logos.html
3. http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/java-licensing-logo-guidelines-1908204.pdf
4. https://aws.amazon.com/trademark-guidelines/
5. https://hub.docker.com/r/apache/gobblin/tags?page=1&ordering=last_updated
6. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased
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