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Hey,
Just noticed we have a new footer on all our emails. I know I've not
been following the list super close this last month did I miss a
discussion about what should be included in the footer or is this just
a new Apache list thing?
Cheers
Martin
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Danushka Menikkumbura <da...@wso2.com>.
> I agree. Any candidates?
>
> Apache Qpid: Open Source AMQP Messaging
I prefer this or some variant.
>
> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
>
>
Well ... AMQP is supposed to be Fast and Reliable yeah?. Therefore
saying "Fast, Reliable" looks redundant.
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Performance note.
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Brief note,
Some of guys that work here on our realtime side of the house have made
some improvements in
the Linux kernel, which are part of our Red Hat MRG distribution.
The more general interesting part is that one aspect was back-ported to
RHEL 5.3 called private
futexes. This requires no re-compile etc. If you run RHEL, just update
to 5.3 and qpidd will
perform up to 20% better on throughput for high rates (> 500,000
Msg/sec) or high concurrency loads.
Latency is seems un-affected by this update, still at ~60us for RDMA and
180us for 10G.
enjoy
Carl.
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Performance note.
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Brief note,
Some of guys that work here on our realtime side of the house have made
some improvements in
the Linux kernel, which are part of our Red Hat MRG distribution.
The more general interesting part is that one aspect was back-ported to
RHEL 5.3 called private
futexes. This requires no re-compile etc. If you run RHEL, just update
to 5.3 and qpidd will
perform up to 20% better on throughput for high rates (> 500,000
Msg/sec) or high concurrency loads.
Latency is seems un-affected by this update, still at ~60us for RDMA and
180us for 10G.
enjoy
Carl.
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Manuel Teira Paz <mt...@tid.es>.
You've just brought back to my mind a sentence from Monty Python Holy
Grail, perhaps it could add a bit of fun:
Apache Qpid: Message for you, Sir!
Perhaps it doesn't make a lot of sense if you didn't watch the movie...
Regards.
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Manuel.
Rafael Schloming escribió:
> Some more random ideas:
>
> Apache Qpid: Send a Message!
> Apache Qpid: Messaging from the heart.
> Apache Qpid: We <3 messaging.
>
> Also, for those who really like buzzwords, I think it may be worth
> considering how the slogan will be presented, e.g. when presented like
> this, there is room for both a memorable slogan and plenty of buzzwords:
>
> Apache Qpid: Send a Message!
> <------------------------------<3
> Fast, Reliable, AMQP, Messaging
>
> This sort of suggests to me that we may actually be looking for two
> things, the above the line portion being a true slogan that functions as
> a hook for people to remember, and the stuff below the line which is
> really more of an elevator pitch sort of thing. I think we should be
> careful not to try to squeeze the elevator pitch into the slogan. IMHO
> they can be more effective as two separate things.
>
> --Rafael
>
> Marnie McCormack wrote:
>
>> In the same vein ...
>>
>> Apache Qpid; Whizz Bang Messaging
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Rafael Schloming <ra...@redhat.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I tend to think the most important thing a slogan can do is grab the
>>> attention of the reader, and while I do recognize it is tempting to try to
>>> work in all the usual buzzwords (AMQP, Messaging, Enterprise, etc), so far
>>> everything that does this ends up being so bland that it's almost completely
>>> unmemorable.
>>>
>>> I'd like to suggest that we consider another direction for the slogan.
>>> Something that doesn't necessarily include all (or any) of the buzzwords,
>>> but does grab enough of your attention that hopefully you might consider
>>> reading further. I'd like to see a few options in this vein before making a
>>> final decision.
>>>
>>> So in the spirit of brainstorming, here are a few random ideas that (for
>>> better or worse) would stick in my head longer than 3 seconds after reading
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Apache Qpid: Qpid is as Qpid does.
>>>
>>> Apache Qpid: No pants. No shirts. Just middleware.[*]
>>>
>>> I'm with Qpid[**]
>>> ------------>
>>>
>>> [*] Works best next to an appropriate logo, e.g.:
>>> http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PLA/CMO1101~Amoretto-I-Posters.jpg
>>>
>>> [**] Not really a slogan per/se, but would make a great T-shirt for Qpid
>>> developers. ;)
>>>
>>> --Rafael
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin Ritchie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Just keeping this thread going here is another summary of the
>>>> suggested slogans I added one more at the end, which is a combination
>>>> of two previous ones really. Tried to capture the 'love' angle for
>>>> Rob, highlighting the fact that you could never really fall in love
>>>> with messaging before AMQP.
>>>>
>>>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>>>> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
>>>> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
>>>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
>>>> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
>>>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>>>>
>>>> Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
>>>> Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
>>>> Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
>>>> Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
>>>> Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
>>>>
>>>> Fall in love with messaging. Stay safe with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
>>>> Tell someone you love them. Give them the message with Apache Qpid and
>>>> AMQP.
>>>>
>>>> Fall in love with messaging for the first time. Apache Qpid: Open
>>>> Standard Messaging with AMQP
>>>>
>>>> Lets see if we can narrow this down to a short list of less than 5 for a
>>>> vote.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Robert Godfrey
>>>>> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
>>>>>>> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
>>>>>> Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
>>>>>> with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> - Aidan (who is off on holiday next week and is a little demob happy)
>>>>> --
>>>>> Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing
>>>>> http://qpid.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> Project: http://qpid.apache.org
>>>>> Use/Interact: mailto:dev-subscribe@qpid.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Rafael Schloming <ra...@redhat.com>.
Some more random ideas:
Apache Qpid: Send a Message!
Apache Qpid: Messaging from the heart.
Apache Qpid: We <3 messaging.
Also, for those who really like buzzwords, I think it may be worth
considering how the slogan will be presented, e.g. when presented like
this, there is room for both a memorable slogan and plenty of buzzwords:
Apache Qpid: Send a Message!
<------------------------------<3
Fast, Reliable, AMQP, Messaging
This sort of suggests to me that we may actually be looking for two
things, the above the line portion being a true slogan that functions as
a hook for people to remember, and the stuff below the line which is
really more of an elevator pitch sort of thing. I think we should be
careful not to try to squeeze the elevator pitch into the slogan. IMHO
they can be more effective as two separate things.
--Rafael
Marnie McCormack wrote:
> In the same vein ...
>
> Apache Qpid; Whizz Bang Messaging
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Rafael Schloming <ra...@redhat.com>wrote:
>
>> I tend to think the most important thing a slogan can do is grab the
>> attention of the reader, and while I do recognize it is tempting to try to
>> work in all the usual buzzwords (AMQP, Messaging, Enterprise, etc), so far
>> everything that does this ends up being so bland that it's almost completely
>> unmemorable.
>>
>> I'd like to suggest that we consider another direction for the slogan.
>> Something that doesn't necessarily include all (or any) of the buzzwords,
>> but does grab enough of your attention that hopefully you might consider
>> reading further. I'd like to see a few options in this vein before making a
>> final decision.
>>
>> So in the spirit of brainstorming, here are a few random ideas that (for
>> better or worse) would stick in my head longer than 3 seconds after reading
>> them.
>>
>> Apache Qpid: Qpid is as Qpid does.
>>
>> Apache Qpid: No pants. No shirts. Just middleware.[*]
>>
>> I'm with Qpid[**]
>> ------------>
>>
>> [*] Works best next to an appropriate logo, e.g.:
>> http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PLA/CMO1101~Amoretto-I-Posters.jpg
>>
>> [**] Not really a slogan per/se, but would make a great T-shirt for Qpid
>> developers. ;)
>>
>> --Rafael
>>
>>
>> Martin Ritchie wrote:
>>
>>> Just keeping this thread going here is another summary of the
>>> suggested slogans I added one more at the end, which is a combination
>>> of two previous ones really. Tried to capture the 'love' angle for
>>> Rob, highlighting the fact that you could never really fall in love
>>> with messaging before AMQP.
>>>
>>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>>> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
>>> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
>>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
>>> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
>>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>>>
>>> Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
>>> Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
>>> Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
>>> Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
>>> Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
>>>
>>> Fall in love with messaging. Stay safe with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
>>> Tell someone you love them. Give them the message with Apache Qpid and
>>> AMQP.
>>>
>>> Fall in love with messaging for the first time. Apache Qpid: Open
>>> Standard Messaging with AMQP
>>>
>>> Lets see if we can narrow this down to a short list of less than 5 for a
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Robert Godfrey
>>>> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
>>>>>> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
>>>>> Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
>>>>> with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
>>>>>
>>>> - Aidan (who is off on holiday next week and is a little demob happy)
>>>> --
>>>> Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing
>>>> http://qpid.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Apache Qpid - AMQP Messaging Implementation
>>>> Project: http://qpid.apache.org
>>>> Use/Interact: mailto:dev-subscribe@qpid.apache.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Marnie McCormack <ma...@googlemail.com>.
In the same vein ...
Apache Qpid; Whizz Bang Messaging
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Rafael Schloming <ra...@redhat.com>wrote:
> I tend to think the most important thing a slogan can do is grab the
> attention of the reader, and while I do recognize it is tempting to try to
> work in all the usual buzzwords (AMQP, Messaging, Enterprise, etc), so far
> everything that does this ends up being so bland that it's almost completely
> unmemorable.
>
> I'd like to suggest that we consider another direction for the slogan.
> Something that doesn't necessarily include all (or any) of the buzzwords,
> but does grab enough of your attention that hopefully you might consider
> reading further. I'd like to see a few options in this vein before making a
> final decision.
>
> So in the spirit of brainstorming, here are a few random ideas that (for
> better or worse) would stick in my head longer than 3 seconds after reading
> them.
>
> Apache Qpid: Qpid is as Qpid does.
>
> Apache Qpid: No pants. No shirts. Just middleware.[*]
>
> I'm with Qpid[**]
> ------------>
>
> [*] Works best next to an appropriate logo, e.g.:
> http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PLA/CMO1101~Amoretto-I-Posters.jpg
>
> [**] Not really a slogan per/se, but would make a great T-shirt for Qpid
> developers. ;)
>
> --Rafael
>
>
> Martin Ritchie wrote:
>
>> Just keeping this thread going here is another summary of the
>> suggested slogans I added one more at the end, which is a combination
>> of two previous ones really. Tried to capture the 'love' angle for
>> Rob, highlighting the fact that you could never really fall in love
>> with messaging before AMQP.
>>
>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
>> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
>> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
>> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>>
>> Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
>> Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
>> Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
>> Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
>> Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
>>
>> Fall in love with messaging. Stay safe with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
>> Tell someone you love them. Give them the message with Apache Qpid and
>> AMQP.
>>
>> Fall in love with messaging for the first time. Apache Qpid: Open
>> Standard Messaging with AMQP
>>
>> Lets see if we can narrow this down to a short list of less than 5 for a
>> vote.
>>
>> Martin
>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Robert Godfrey
>>> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
>>>>> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
>>>>>
>>>> I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
>>>> Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
>>>> with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> - Aidan (who is off on holiday next week and is a little demob happy)
>>> --
>>> Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing
>>> http://qpid.apache.org
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Apache Qpid - AMQP Messaging Implementation
>>> Project: http://qpid.apache.org
>>> Use/Interact: mailto:dev-subscribe@qpid.apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Rafael Schloming <ra...@redhat.com>.
I tend to think the most important thing a slogan can do is grab the
attention of the reader, and while I do recognize it is tempting to try
to work in all the usual buzzwords (AMQP, Messaging, Enterprise, etc),
so far everything that does this ends up being so bland that it's almost
completely unmemorable.
I'd like to suggest that we consider another direction for the slogan.
Something that doesn't necessarily include all (or any) of the
buzzwords, but does grab enough of your attention that hopefully you
might consider reading further. I'd like to see a few options in this
vein before making a final decision.
So in the spirit of brainstorming, here are a few random ideas that (for
better or worse) would stick in my head longer than 3 seconds after
reading them.
Apache Qpid: Qpid is as Qpid does.
Apache Qpid: No pants. No shirts. Just middleware.[*]
I'm with Qpid[**]
------------>
[*] Works best next to an appropriate logo, e.g.:
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PLA/CMO1101~Amoretto-I-Posters.jpg
[**] Not really a slogan per/se, but would make a great T-shirt for Qpid
developers. ;)
--Rafael
Martin Ritchie wrote:
> Just keeping this thread going here is another summary of the
> suggested slogans I added one more at the end, which is a combination
> of two previous ones really. Tried to capture the 'love' angle for
> Rob, highlighting the fact that you could never really fall in love
> with messaging before AMQP.
>
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>
> Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
> Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
> Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
> Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
> Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
>
> Fall in love with messaging. Stay safe with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
> Tell someone you love them. Give them the message with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
>
> Fall in love with messaging for the first time. Apache Qpid: Open
> Standard Messaging with AMQP
>
> Lets see if we can narrow this down to a short list of less than 5 for a vote.
>
> Martin
> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Robert Godfrey
>> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>>> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
>>>> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
>>> I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
>>> Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
>>> with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
>>
>> - Aidan (who is off on holiday next week and is a little demob happy)
>> --
>> Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing
>> http://qpid.apache.org
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Apache Qpid - AMQP Messaging Implementation
>> Project: http://qpid.apache.org
>> Use/Interact: mailto:dev-subscribe@qpid.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Open Source Enterprise AMQP Messaging, got to love it!
Martin Ritchie wrote:
> Just keeping this thread going here is another summary of the
> suggested slogans I added one more at the end, which is a combination
> of two previous ones really. Tried to capture the 'love' angle for
> Rob, highlighting the fact that you could never really fall in love
> with messaging before AMQP.
>
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
>
> Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
> Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
> Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
> Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
> Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
>
> Fall in love with messaging. Stay safe with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
> Tell someone you love them. Give them the message with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
>
> Fall in love with messaging for the first time. Apache Qpid: Open
> Standard Messaging with AMQP
>
> Lets see if we can narrow this down to a short list of less than 5 for a vote.
>
> Martin
> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Robert Godfrey
>> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>>>
>>>> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
>>>> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
>>>>
>>> I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
>>> Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
>>> with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
>>>
>> - Aidan (who is off on holiday next week and is a little demob happy)
>> --
>> Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing
>> http://qpid.apache.org
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Apache Qpid - AMQP Messaging Implementation
>> Project: http://qpid.apache.org
>> Use/Interact: mailto:dev-subscribe@qpid.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Gordon Sim <gs...@redhat.com>.
Martin Ritchie wrote:
> Just keeping this thread going here is another summary of the
> suggested slogans I added one more at the end, which is a combination
> of two previous ones really. Tried to capture the 'love' angle for
> Rob, highlighting the fact that you could never really fall in love
> with messaging before AMQP.
>
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
My 2 cents: I think the term 'Enterprise' is often overused and
consequently has negative associations for some. I'd prefer leaving that
word out of any slogan. I also think it should either be demonstrably
true or bland enough to not be testable. ('Open Source AMQP Messaging'
would be my favourite of those I've seen - bland but clear and to the
point!)
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Martin Ritchie <ri...@apache.org>.
Just keeping this thread going here is another summary of the
suggested slogans I added one more at the end, which is a combination
of two previous ones really. Tried to capture the 'love' angle for
Rob, highlighting the fact that you could never really fall in love
with messaging before AMQP.
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
Fall in love with messaging. Stay safe with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
Tell someone you love them. Give them the message with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
Fall in love with messaging for the first time. Apache Qpid: Open
Standard Messaging with AMQP
Lets see if we can narrow this down to a short list of less than 5 for a vote.
Martin
2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Robert Godfrey
> <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>
>>> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
>>> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
>>
>> I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
>> Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
>> with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
>
>
> - Aidan (who is off on holiday next week and is a little demob happy)
> --
> Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing
> http://qpid.apache.org
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Apache Qpid - AMQP Messaging Implementation
> Project: http://qpid.apache.org
> Use/Interact: mailto:dev-subscribe@qpid.apache.org
>
>
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Robert Godfrey
<ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
>> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
>> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
>
> I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
> Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
> with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
Fall in love with messaging. Stay safe with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
Tell someone you love them. Give them the message with Apache Qpid and AMQP.
- Aidan (who is off on holiday next week and is a little demob happy)
--
Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing
http://qpid.apache.org
---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Robert Godfrey <ro...@gmail.com>.
2009/1/23 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> While they fulfill all the criteria, none of them really grab me.
>> Something with a bit more vim and vigour maybe?
>
> I spent 5 minutes with sloganizer.net and realised that we need some
> sort of positive statement (but not a measurable claim, and preferably
> and absolute one rather than a statement relative to a competitor)
> along with the words AMQP, Apache Qpid and Messaging.
>
> Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
> Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
> Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
> Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
> Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
>
> Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
> exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
I can't help feeling that we should try to work in a Qpid / Cupid /
Falling in love type theme... though the thought of falling in love
with messaging is obviously perverse :-)
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org> wrote:
> While they fulfill all the criteria, none of them really grab me.
> Something with a bit more vim and vigour maybe?
I spent 5 minutes with sloganizer.net and realised that we need some
sort of positive statement (but not a measurable claim, and preferably
and absolute one rather than a statement relative to a competitor)
along with the words AMQP, Apache Qpid and Messaging.
Apache Qpid: Messaging for the AMQP Generation
Start AMQP Messaging with Apache Qpid
Apache Qpid: Standardised Messaging with AMQP
Got Messaging? Think AMQP. Think Apache Qpid.
Apache Qpid, messaging with added AMQP
Sadly at this point I ran out of ways to make messaging sound
exciting. Maybe I should start watching Mad Men.
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Marnie McCormack
<ma...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging <-- This one is my favourite i think.
> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
> What do other people think about one of these ?
While they fulfill all the criteria, none of them really grab me.
Something with a bit more vim and vigour maybe?
- Aidan (who feels a little dirty in this discussion)
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Marnie McCormack <ma...@googlemail.com>.
I think they all have plus points (great ideas everyone). For me we need to
say what our project does (i.e. messaging) in the slogan and that it's AMQP.
I think the 'Apache' gives us the Open Source credential.
So, from my pov that leaves us with:
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging <-- This one is my favourite i think.
Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
What do other people think about one of these ?
Marnie
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Lahiru Gunathilake <la...@apache.org>wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here's a summary of all the proposed slogans..
>
> Apache Qpid: Open Source AMQP Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
> Apache Qpid: AMQP Messaging from Point A to B in 10 microseconds or less!
> Apache Qpid: *The* AMQP Implementation
> Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
> Apache Qpid - Fast, Reliable, Interoperable Enterprise Messaging
> Apache Qpid - The Open Source AMQP Implementation
>
> Keep on proposing I just wanted to summarize it to compare all of them.
>
> Lahiru
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> 2. We do express the fact that Qpid is an AMQP implementation. In which
> >> case, the slogan should express the fact that we do it wright.
> Therefore,
> >> something like
> >> "Apache Qpid - The Open Source AMQP Implementation" sounds good.
> >>
> >
> >
> > this one
> >
> > Carl.
> >
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Re: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net> wrote:
> Everyone, the Windows build (Debug and Release Static) is here:
>
> http://www.octoberridge.com/qpid-M4-win-binary-jpk.zip
>
> Can someone please mirror this, so that my DSL line is not saturated? :)
I'm downloading this now. I'll put it up at
http://people.apache.org/~aidan/ when it's done.
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Re: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net> wrote:
> Everyone, the Windows build (Debug and Release Static) is here:
>
> http://www.octoberridge.com/qpid-M4-win-binary-jpk.zip
>
> Can someone please mirror this, so that my DSL line is not saturated? :)
Thanks Josh. I've uploaded this to
http://people.apache.org/~aidan/qpid/qpid-M4-win-binary-jpk.zip
(I have no ability to test this, so I hope it works)
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RE: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>.
Everyone, the Windows build (Debug and Release Static) is here:
http://www.octoberridge.com/qpid-M4-win-binary-jpk.zip
Can someone please mirror this, so that my DSL line is not saturated? :)
Thanks,
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RE: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>.
Yep, I saw those. Thanks for the advice, Cliff! I'll grab the requisite
header and recompile.
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Cliff Jansen (Interop Systems Inc) wrote:
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:36:52 -0800
> From: "Cliff Jansen (Interop Systems Inc)" <v-...@microsoft.com>
> Reply-To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> To: "dev@qpid.apache.org" <de...@qpid.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: build and post a windows binary
>
> Hi Josh,
>
> Note that you will probably see compiler errors compiling in static release mode.
>
> You will need to pick up InlineAllocator.h from trunk. See qpid-1458.
>
> This fix didn't make it into M4.
>
> Cliff
>
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> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:54 AM
> To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> Cc: cctrieloff@redhat.com
> Subject: RE: build and post a windows binary
>
>
>> I am planning to build one. I have a few urgent things to resolve
>
> I have a qpidbroker.exe that I just built with VS 2008, on Windows XP.
> This particular binary is a Static Debug binary. I'm building the Release
> Static binary as I type this. I don't have time at the moment to do
> exhaustive testing on this binary - but it does run. Anyone want a copy
> to test?
>
> Thanks,
> -Josh
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RE: build and post a windows binary
Posted by "Cliff Jansen (Interop Systems Inc)" <v-...@microsoft.com>.
Hi Josh,
Note that you will probably see compiler errors compiling in static release mode.
You will need to pick up InlineAllocator.h from trunk. See qpid-1458.
This fix didn't make it into M4.
Cliff
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Subject: RE: build and post a windows binary
> I am planning to build one. I have a few urgent things to resolve
I have a qpidbroker.exe that I just built with VS 2008, on Windows XP.
This particular binary is a Static Debug binary. I'm building the Release
Static binary as I type this. I don't have time at the moment to do
exhaustive testing on this binary - but it does run. Anyone want a copy
to test?
Thanks,
-Josh
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RE: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>.
> I am planning to build one. I have a few urgent things to resolve
I have a qpidbroker.exe that I just built with VS 2008, on Windows XP.
This particular binary is a Static Debug binary. I'm building the Release
Static binary as I type this. I don't have time at the moment to do
exhaustive testing on this binary - but it does run. Anyone want a copy
to test?
Thanks,
-Josh
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Re: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Danushka Menikkumbura <da...@wso2.com>.
> I am planning to build one. I have a few urgent things to resolve
> before that, though. If anyone else has interest, please speak up as
> well.
>
Hi Steve,
I knew you were busy with some client engagements, I did not volunteer
build one, though. If you feel like you are unable to make it soon, I
can come up with a bin dist. At the same time there is a requirement
to make a solution for samples as well. I can look into that as well.
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RE: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>.
Hello Steve,
Will this build in VS 2008? I will give it a try in a couple of hours.
Cheers,
-Josh
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Steve Huston wrote:
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:56:27 -0500
> From: Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com>
> Reply-To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> To: dev@qpid.apache.org, cctrieloff@redhat.com
> Subject: RE: build and post a windows binary
>
> Hi Carl,
>
>> From our users list... does someone want to build the windows
> binary
>> that we post as a use if you like basis.
>>
>> i.e. we make a volunteer builds section, and post builds based on a
>> release as a service outside the
>> release process. i.e. builds that people want and volunteer we post.
>
>> thoughts?
>
> I am planning to build one. I have a few urgent things to resolve
> before that, though. If anyone else has interest, please speak up as
> well.
>
> -Steve
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RE: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com>.
Hi Carl,
> From our users list... does someone want to build the windows
binary
> that we post as a use if you like basis.
>
> i.e. we make a volunteer builds section, and post builds based on a
> release as a service outside the
> release process. i.e. builds that people want and volunteer we post.
> thoughts?
I am planning to build one. I have a few urgent things to resolve
before that, though. If anyone else has interest, please speak up as
well.
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Re: build and post a windows binary
Posted by Danushka Menikkumbura <da...@wso2.com>.
> From our users list... does someone want to build the windows binary
> that we post as a use if you like basis.
>
> i.e. we make a volunteer builds section, and post builds based on a
> release as a service outside the
> release process. i.e. builds that people want and volunteer we post.
> thoughts?
IMHO, Windows binary distribution is an integral part of the release
process.
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site export
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
If the site looks weird, I am hacking on the auto export with help from
Jonathan so far to try get it to look
better, hold off on comments... I'll solicit feedback once I think
progress has been made.
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build and post a windows binary
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
From our users list... does someone want to build the windows binary
that we post as a use if you like basis.
i.e. we make a volunteer builds section, and post builds based on a
release as a service outside the
release process. i.e. builds that people want and volunteer we post.
thoughts?
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Lahiru Gunathilake <la...@apache.org>.
Hi all,
Here's a summary of all the proposed slogans..
Apache Qpid: Open Source AMQP Messaging
Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
Apache Qpid: AMQP Messaging from Point A to B in 10 microseconds or less!
Apache Qpid: *The* AMQP Implementation
Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging
Apache Qpid - Fast, Reliable, Interoperable Enterprise Messaging
Apache Qpid - The Open Source AMQP Implementation
Keep on proposing I just wanted to summarize it to compare all of them.
Lahiru
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>wrote:
>
>
>> 2. We do express the fact that Qpid is an AMQP implementation. In which
>> case, the slogan should express the fact that we do it wright. Therefore,
>> something like
>> "Apache Qpid - The Open Source AMQP Implementation" sounds good.
>>
>
>
> this one
>
> Carl.
>
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
>
> 2. We do express the fact that Qpid is an AMQP implementation. In
> which case, the slogan should express the fact that we do it wright.
> Therefore, something like
> "Apache Qpid - The Open Source AMQP Implementation" sounds good.
this one
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Danushka Menikkumbura <da...@wso2.com>.
> I think something that close to something that is all over google as
> linked to a direct competitor is a Really Bad Idea.
>
>
+1.
I think we have two options here.
1. We never say that Qpid is an AMQP implementation. In which case, the
slogan should express some key attributes of AMQP. Therefore something like
"Apache Qpid - Fast, Reliable, Interoperable Enterprise Messaging" would
be nice.
2. We do express the fact that Qpid is an AMQP implementation. In which
case, the slogan should express the fact that we do it wright.
Therefore, something like
"Apache Qpid - The Open Source AMQP Implementation" sounds good.
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Rajith Attapattu <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Lahiru Gunathilake wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Marnie McCormack <
>> >> marnie.mccormack@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
>> >
>> >
>> > Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
>>
>> It's pretty similar to the title of RabbitMQ's tech talk:
>> http://www.rabbitmq.com/resources/google-tech-talk-final/google.html
>>
>
> Yes this slogan seems good to me. +1
I think something that close to something that is all over google as
linked to a direct competitor is a Really Bad Idea.
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Rajith Attapattu <ra...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>
> wrote:
> > Lahiru Gunathilake wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Marnie McCormack <
> >> marnie.mccormack@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
> >
> >
> > Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
>
> It's pretty similar to the title of RabbitMQ's tech talk:
> http://www.rabbitmq.com/resources/google-tech-talk-final/google.html
>
Yes this slogan seems good to me. +1
>
> - Aidan
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Lahiru Gunathilake wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Marnie McCormack <
>> marnie.mccormack@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
>
>
> Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
It's pretty similar to the title of RabbitMQ's tech talk:
http://www.rabbitmq.com/resources/google-tech-talk-final/google.html
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Lahiru Gunathilake wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Marnie McCormack <
> marnie.mccormack@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
Apache Qpid, AMQP Enterprise Messaging that just works.
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Lahiru Gunathilake <la...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Marnie McCormack <
marnie.mccormack@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
Short and sweet for me.. :-) +1
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Aidan Skinner <aidan.skinner@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Mark Atwell wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Generally, one wants to avoid (even implied) SLAs or other formal
> > >> measurable
> > >> 'commitments' in logos & slogans.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > > For our users list
> > >
> > > Apache Qpid, AMQP that just works.
> >
> > I'd probably go for one slogan for all lists. I also think that we
> > should be explicit about being a messaging solution, not everybody
> > will know what Qpid or AMQP actually are. I
> >
> > I've been using the thing in my .sig for a while now, but it's
> > probably not quite right for the project as a whole.
> >
> > - Aidan
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Marnie McCormack <ma...@googlemail.com>.
Apache Qpid, Enterprise Messaging through AMQP
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mark Atwell wrote:
> >>
> >> Generally, one wants to avoid (even implied) SLAs or other formal
> >> measurable
> >> 'commitments' in logos & slogans.
>
> +1
>
> > For our users list
> >
> > Apache Qpid, AMQP that just works.
>
> I'd probably go for one slogan for all lists. I also think that we
> should be explicit about being a messaging solution, not everybody
> will know what Qpid or AMQP actually are. I
>
> I've been using the thing in my .sig for a while now, but it's
> probably not quite right for the project as a whole.
>
> - Aidan
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Mark Atwell wrote:
>>
>> Generally, one wants to avoid (even implied) SLAs or other formal
>> measurable
>> 'commitments' in logos & slogans.
+1
> For our users list
>
> Apache Qpid, AMQP that just works.
I'd probably go for one slogan for all lists. I also think that we
should be explicit about being a messaging solution, not everybody
will know what Qpid or AMQP actually are. I
I've been using the thing in my .sig for a while now, but it's
probably not quite right for the project as a whole.
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Mark Atwell wrote:
> Generally, one wants to avoid (even implied) SLAs or other formal measurable
> 'commitments' in logos & slogans.
>
> A couple of thoughts:
>
> - Apache Qpid: *The* AMQP Implementation
>
> - Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
>
> I'm sure that there may be some better variants to Quick & Purposeful!
>
> M
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Mark Atwell <ma...@gmail.com>.
Generally, one wants to avoid (even implied) SLAs or other formal measurable
'commitments' in logos & slogans.
A couple of thoughts:
- Apache Qpid: *The* AMQP Implementation
- Apache Qpid: Advanced Messaging, Quick, Purposeful
I'm sure that there may be some better variants to Quick & Purposeful!
M
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:20 AM, Lahiru Gunathilake <la...@apache.org>wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Joshua Kramer <josh@globalherald.net
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Apache Qpid: AMQP Messaging from Point A to B in 10 microseconds or less!
>
> This is long...is it?
>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Jonathan Robie wrote:
> >
> > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:20:58 -0500
> >> From: Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>
> >> Reply-To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> >> To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> >> Subject: Qpid slogan?
> >>
> >>
> >> Danushka Menikkumbura wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't think it is nice to have the mail addresses in the footer.
> >>> Homepage plus the blog address would be fine. I think we should we come
> up
> >>> with a nice slogan for Qpid as well. "AMQP Messaging Implementation" is
> not
> >>> catchy.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I agree. Any candidates?
> >>
> >> Apache Qpid: Open Source AMQP Messaging
> >> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
> >>
> >> Let the brainstorming begin!
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Lahiru Gunathilake <la...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>wrote:
>
> Apache Qpid: AMQP Messaging from Point A to B in 10 microseconds or less!
This is long...is it?
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Jonathan Robie wrote:
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:20:58 -0500
>> From: Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>
>> Reply-To: dev@qpid.apache.org
>> To: dev@qpid.apache.org
>> Subject: Qpid slogan?
>>
>>
>> Danushka Menikkumbura wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think it is nice to have the mail addresses in the footer.
>>> Homepage plus the blog address would be fine. I think we should we come up
>>> with a nice slogan for Qpid as well. "AMQP Messaging Implementation" is not
>>> catchy.
>>>
>>
>> I agree. Any candidates?
>>
>> Apache Qpid: Open Source AMQP Messaging
>> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
>>
>> Let the brainstorming begin!
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
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Re: Qpid slogan?
Posted by Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>.
Apache Qpid: AMQP Messaging from Point A to B in 10 microseconds or less!
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Jonathan Robie wrote:
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:20:58 -0500
> From: Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>
> Reply-To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> Subject: Qpid slogan?
>
> Danushka Menikkumbura wrote:
>> I don't think it is nice to have the mail addresses in the footer. Homepage
>> plus the blog address would be fine. I think we should we come up with a
>> nice slogan for Qpid as well. "AMQP Messaging Implementation" is not
>> catchy.
>
> I agree. Any candidates?
>
> Apache Qpid: Open Source AMQP Messaging
> Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
>
> Let the brainstorming begin!
>
> Jonathan
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Qpid slogan?
Posted by Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>.
Danushka Menikkumbura wrote:
> I don't think it is nice to have the mail addresses in the footer.
> Homepage plus the blog address would be fine. I think we should we
> come up with a nice slogan for Qpid as well. "AMQP Messaging
> Implementation" is not catchy.
I agree. Any candidates?
Apache Qpid: Open Source AMQP Messaging
Apache Qpid: Fast, Reliable, AMQP Messaging
Let the brainstorming begin!
Jonathan
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Danushka Menikkumbura <da...@wso2.com>.
> -1
>
> It's really ugly and the list info is already in the message headers.
>
> - Aidan
>
>
I don't think it is nice to have the mail addresses in the footer.
Homepage plus the blog address would be fine. I think we should we come
up with a nice slogan for Qpid as well. "AMQP Messaging Implementation"
is not catchy.
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>.
Martin Ritchie wrote:
> Whilst I'm not totally against a footer per say the enabling of the
> footer without a vote or much discussion on the content is what is
> most against the Apache way in my view.
>
I suggested that we add a footer, I don't have the power to actually
enable it, and I'm not sure how the decision was made.
> If the point of the change is to game Google then I would be very
> surprised if Google actually farmed mailing lists sites for urls.
> Sending few 100,000 emails to a list to gain page rank sounds like
> something Google would have already caught on to.
>
I can't prove it, I have the word of someone who does this
professionally that it makes a significant difference. But the other
thing is that this content is placed in several mailing list archives in
other places where there is no reference at all to our web page. I'd
like to know that any time someone is reading one of our pages, there's
a route from there to qpid.apache.org. And I do suspect it will also
help with page ranking, but I can't prove it to you. Which is generally
true of search engine optimization, proofs are hard to come by.
What I can say is this: The fact that a mailing list has this footer,
and the content of the mailing list is closely related to terms relevant
to the content of the page to which the footer points, is a really good
indicator that the URL in the footer points to something related to
what's being discussed in the mailing list. That's not lost on humans,
and as far as I can tell, it's not lost on Google.
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <list>-unsubscribe@qpid.apache.org
>
+1
I'd have the instructions to subscribe or unsubscribe.
> For additional commands, e-mail: <list>-help@qpid.apache.org
>
How often do people need these additional commands?
> As for having the project name and url my quick look through the
> mailing lists I'm subscribed to go both ways (for those that have
> footers).
>
Yes, that's my observation as well.
> For me it really a burning issue more a waste of my Gmail storage as
> Gmail will automatically hide the footer.
>
It's as big an issue as the email traffic dedicated to it ;->
But I do think it helps people and search engines find us. And that's
something we should want, our web site is not something people easily
stumble on if they are not looking for it.
Jonathan
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Carl Trieloff wrote:
>
>> Whilst I'm not totally against a footer per say the enabling of the
>> footer without a vote or much discussion on the content is what is
>> most against the Apache way in my view.
>>
>>
>
> Our volunteer that researched it had asked infra if it can be done. I
> cc'ed on that mail with
> a sample header. Personally I am not as concerned as you - as we have
> CTR on most of the
> project and it is not something like a release that has to be voted.
>
> As it is trivial to change with no consequence. I would suggest we
> discuss, etc, then if we want
> to change it or remove it we do so... let's only ask infra to change
> it once if make a change.
>
> Martin,
>
> can you lead us to consensus on this topic.
and.., we should also discuss footer on the user list.
Carl.
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
> Whilst I'm not totally against a footer per say the enabling of the
> footer without a vote or much discussion on the content is what is
> most against the Apache way in my view.
>
>
Our volunteer that researched it had asked infra if it can be done. I
cc'ed on that mail with
a sample header. Personally I am not as concerned as you - as we have
CTR on most of the
project and it is not something like a release that has to be voted.
As it is trivial to change with no consequence. I would suggest we
discuss, etc, then if we want
to change it or remove it we do so... let's only ask infra to change it
once if make a change.
Martin,
can you lead us to consensus on this topic.
regards,
Carl.
Re: Email Footers
Posted by Martin Ritchie <ri...@apache.org>.
2009/1/20 Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>:
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jonathan Robie
> <jo...@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Lahiru Gunathilake wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> Yeah, we did that explicitly to get some more Google hits :-)
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> And it also helps anyone who happens to get a mail from our list or find it
>> on the Internet, and wants to know where to go for more.
>
> -1
>
> It's really ugly and the list info is already in the message headers.
>
> - Aidan
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Whilst I'm not totally against a footer per say the enabling of the
footer without a vote or much discussion on the content is what is
most against the Apache way in my view.
If the point of the change is to game Google then I would be very
surprised if Google actually farmed mailing lists sites for urls.
Sending few 100,000 emails to a list to gain page rank sounds like
something Google would have already caught on to.
If we are to have a footer I would at least suggest the following two
links on both lists. The number of people that ask how to unsubscribe
is > 0 so having the details in the email would be most useful.
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As for having the project name and url my quick look through the
mailing lists I'm subscribed to go both ways (for those that have
footers).
For me it really a burning issue more a waste of my Gmail storage as
Gmail will automatically hide the footer.
Regards
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>.
Aidan Skinner wrote:
> No, but most things that do provide a way to get that information
> easily if they want it and some, like Nabble, provide a way to
> subscribe with 3 clicks. Not a huge burden really.
>
But that doesn't do anything at all to direct people to
http://qpid.apache.org. If someone is interested enough to find us via
Google, we want them to be directed to that page. And we'd also like
Google to give that page a better page rank.
> I guess my nose is a little out of joint because it was discussed
> briefly, there were objections raised and then it was done anyway
> without any further discussion or even warning.
>
I don't know enough about our process to really comment on that. I like
the decision that was made.
Jonathan
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Robie
<jo...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Aidan Skinner wrote:
> So this information may well be hidden from people who find us via Google or
> don't "show all headers" in their mailer - and most people do not.
No, but most things that do provide a way to get that information
easily if they want it and some, like Nabble, provide a way to
subscribe with 3 clicks. Not a huge burden really.
I guess my nose is a little out of joint because it was discussed
briefly, there were objections raised and then it was done anyway
without any further discussion or even warning.
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>.
Aidan Skinner wrote:
> -1
>
> It's really ugly and the list info is already in the message headers.
>
The message headers that contain this information are often hidden by
both email programs and archives, e.g.
http://n2.nabble.com/Email-Footers-td2186076.html
So this information may well be hidden from people who find us via
Google or don't "show all headers" in their mailer - and most people do not.
Jonathan
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Jonathan Robie
<jo...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Lahiru Gunathilake wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> Yeah, we did that explicitly to get some more Google hits :-)
>>
>
> +1
>
> And it also helps anyone who happens to get a mail from our list or find it
> on the Internet, and wants to know where to go for more.
-1
It's really ugly and the list info is already in the message headers.
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Jonathan Robie <jo...@redhat.com>.
Lahiru Gunathilake wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> Yeah, we did that explicitly to get some more Google hits :-)
>
+1
And it also helps anyone who happens to get a mail from our list or find
it on the Internet, and wants to know where to go for more.
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Re: Email Footers
Posted by Lahiru Gunathilake <la...@apache.org>.
Hi Martin,
Yeah, we did that explicitly to get some more Google hits :-)
Lahiru
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Martin Ritchie <ri...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Just noticed we have a new footer on all our emails. I know I've not
> been following the list super close this last month did I miss a
> discussion about what should be included in the footer or is this just
> a new Apache list thing?
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin
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